We have tried to compare Gengar and Mismagius. Yes, we already know that Gengar is faster and stronger, we know that Mismagius cannot make the jump over those 108-ponies, we know that it lacks Focus Blast.
It may sound stupid, but my sister wants to know how to make a set that differs from Gengar. You can bash me later for even bringing it up.
Mismagius is distinct from Gengar by two moves: Nasty Plot and Thunder Wave.
Not having access to Focus Blast is indeed a downer so we have to see if HP Fighting can accomplish similar feats; at least we can allow ourselves the speed drop because of the trollish speed. At +2 it cannot OHKO full health s-def Heatran, Jirachi and Scizor (well, 50% with SR and Thunderbolt, 100% with Thunder), which is bad. The OHKOs on every Tyranitar is nice however (need for SR for the s-def ones). Otherwise anything slower (not walls) can be OHKOed. Terrakion is not good for it, but it may take a hit form Keldeo (or three in sun) and OHKO with Thunderbolt. Unfortunately we will be pretty much dead after a Hurricane from LO-Tornadus-T. Setting up is a bit more difficult. It's immunities will prove useful, but we don't have many resistances. Setting up works on choice locked mon, s-def Heatran outside of sun, Keldeo in sun, special attacking Landorus without Psychic.
I have just noticed that Mismagius is actually the second fastest Nasty Plot sweeper. Azelf has better offensive stats (screw it, Gengar), but has a much harder time to set up instead because of its lower special defense.
With Thunder Wave a support set comes in mind - only shared by Froslass and Drifblim. Because of the low HP we would be forces to forgo speed to form enough bulk - not that it would hurt too much because it would deal low damage anyway. The main issue for me is not being able to OHKO Latios without LO. Without boosts your offensive presence is basicly nil: You barely get a 3HKO on Scarf-Toed, after SR; you even only 3HKO it with 252 and Modest nature. The reason I cannot get warm with this one is that it is overshadowed by Jellicent in every aspect but Thunder Wave. Jelli can Recover, has a second STAB to threaten certain spinner (Donphan, Forretress), and a typing to cockblock Scizor.
Why am I doing this? I want your opinion, an overview of what might work and what does not work in OU. Or mon that overshadow the respective sets. Hopefully I haven't forestalled too much work.
It may sound stupid, but my sister wants to know how to make a set that differs from Gengar. You can bash me later for even bringing it up.
Mismagius is distinct from Gengar by two moves: Nasty Plot and Thunder Wave.
Not having access to Focus Blast is indeed a downer so we have to see if HP Fighting can accomplish similar feats; at least we can allow ourselves the speed drop because of the trollish speed. At +2 it cannot OHKO full health s-def Heatran, Jirachi and Scizor (well, 50% with SR and Thunderbolt, 100% with Thunder), which is bad. The OHKOs on every Tyranitar is nice however (need for SR for the s-def ones). Otherwise anything slower (not walls) can be OHKOed. Terrakion is not good for it, but it may take a hit form Keldeo (or three in sun) and OHKO with Thunderbolt. Unfortunately we will be pretty much dead after a Hurricane from LO-Tornadus-T. Setting up is a bit more difficult. It's immunities will prove useful, but we don't have many resistances. Setting up works on choice locked mon, s-def Heatran outside of sun, Keldeo in sun, special attacking Landorus without Psychic.
I have just noticed that Mismagius is actually the second fastest Nasty Plot sweeper. Azelf has better offensive stats (screw it, Gengar), but has a much harder time to set up instead because of its lower special defense.
With Thunder Wave a support set comes in mind - only shared by Froslass and Drifblim. Because of the low HP we would be forces to forgo speed to form enough bulk - not that it would hurt too much because it would deal low damage anyway. The main issue for me is not being able to OHKO Latios without LO. Without boosts your offensive presence is basicly nil: You barely get a 3HKO on Scarf-Toed, after SR; you even only 3HKO it with 252 and Modest nature. The reason I cannot get warm with this one is that it is overshadowed by Jellicent in every aspect but Thunder Wave. Jelli can Recover, has a second STAB to threaten certain spinner (Donphan, Forretress), and a typing to cockblock Scizor.
Why am I doing this? I want your opinion, an overview of what might work and what does not work in OU. Or mon that overshadow the respective sets. Hopefully I haven't forestalled too much work.