Now that you said it, I'm actually surprised by the Cloyster usage... Higher than Hippowdon, which I've seen a lot more of, wtf.
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Smogon University PO Statistics — April 2011
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Well, there you go weather haters. Even if you add up all the usage of Drizzle and Drought (The so-called broken weathers) you would still not reach as high as SS usage has shot up to.
16.5593 < 20.8139
That's not even factoring in Hippowdon's usage. :/
I have honestly never seen even one of these things roaming around. Oh well, i guess i need to ladder more often.
Virizion is good people. Use it more. It is one of the only pokemon that can hit both Sand and Rain teams hard. Sun less so but it's still a force to be reckoned with. I'd even go as far as to argue that its better than Terakion.
Also,
lol...
That's just usage for when Blaziken was allowed, but the number is so low since he was eventually banned.
Speaking of Blaziken, it's doing shockingly well in Ubers, being the 12th most used, even beating stuff like Lugia, Ho-Oh and both Giratinas.
...Then again the low usage of Lugia and both Giratinas may be why it's used so much.
Also, can I ask, what's the OU cutoff? Is it 3.5% or 4%?
1 | Ferrothorn | 127997 | 21.3582 |
| 2 | Tyranitar | 124735 | 20.8139 |
| 3 | Scizor | 112589 | 18.7871 |
| 4 | Garchomp | 109670 | 18.3000 |
| 5 | Gliscor | 89599 | 14.9509 |
| 6 | Latios | 78471 | 13.0940 |
| 7 | Excadrill | 78095 | 13.0313 |
| 8 | Reuniclus | 76510 | 12.7668 |
| 9 | Heatran | 72800 | 12.1477 |
| 10 | Rotom-W | 69963 | 11.6744 |
| 11 | Conkeldurr | 64134 | 10.7017 |
| 12 | Jirachi | 62501 | 10.4292 |
| 13 | Politoed | 61688 | 10.2935 |
| 14 | Dragonite | 60079 | 10.0251 |
| 15 | Thundurus | 57828 | 9.6495 |
Things that im surprised. Rain is said to be more common last time i ladder.
Seems people that hate rain is a lot
| 2 | Tyranitar | 124735 | 20.8139 |
| 3 | Scizor | 112589 | 18.7871 |
| 4 | Garchomp | 109670 | 18.3000 |
| 5 | Gliscor | 89599 | 14.9509 |
| 6 | Latios | 78471 | 13.0940 |
| 7 | Excadrill | 78095 | 13.0313 |
| 8 | Reuniclus | 76510 | 12.7668 |
| 9 | Heatran | 72800 | 12.1477 |
| 10 | Rotom-W | 69963 | 11.6744 |
| 11 | Conkeldurr | 64134 | 10.7017 |
| 12 | Jirachi | 62501 | 10.4292 |
| 13 | Politoed | 61688 | 10.2935 |
| 14 | Dragonite | 60079 | 10.0251 |
| 15 | Thundurus | 57828 | 9.6495 |
Things that im surprised. Rain is said to be more common last time i ladder.
Seems people that hate rain is a lot
After the formula was run, I believe that they came up with a cutoff of around ~3.4%. Which means that OU contains a total of 53 pokemon for the time being, from Ferrothorn (#1) to Tornadus (#53). This of course is subject to change in the coming months though so who knows. I think there is a topic about this in PR as well.
Mienshao, tornadus and victini are way lower than I thought they'd be.
The OU cutoff is Tornadus at 53? I'm glad that torny made it into OU, but there are a few pokes that I think should be OU that didn't make it. Namely azumarill, mamoswine, victini, xatu and staraptor.
The OU cutoff is Tornadus at 53? I'm glad that torny made it into OU, but there are a few pokes that I think should be OU that didn't make it. Namely azumarill, mamoswine, victini, xatu and staraptor.
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Yay my first post!
The OU tier seems solid. Pretty weather dominated but not as overwhelming as I thought. I'm proud that Dragonite has seen the light and stepped out of the shadow of his younger cousin Salamence. Multiscale (and Hurricane to a lesser extent) must be a godsend.
I'm very concerned over UU. While there was some power creep in the OU tier, the power creep in 5th gen UU is absolutely astounding. Kyurem (godly base stats) and Victini (V-Create) are going to absolutely brutalize UU and I strongly suspect that both of these pokemon will be the first in the BL tier. Considering there aren't any other mass BL bannings, I think that Smogon should consider following PO's lead and make a new tier between UU and NU because I think there is going to be a massive amount of pokemon that are never going to be used thanks to this power creep. I mean 5th gen UU looks like 4th gen OU but without the absolute top threats like Scizor and friends at this point.
The OU tier seems solid. Pretty weather dominated but not as overwhelming as I thought. I'm proud that Dragonite has seen the light and stepped out of the shadow of his younger cousin Salamence. Multiscale (and Hurricane to a lesser extent) must be a godsend.
I'm very concerned over UU. While there was some power creep in the OU tier, the power creep in 5th gen UU is absolutely astounding. Kyurem (godly base stats) and Victini (V-Create) are going to absolutely brutalize UU and I strongly suspect that both of these pokemon will be the first in the BL tier. Considering there aren't any other mass BL bannings, I think that Smogon should consider following PO's lead and make a new tier between UU and NU because I think there is going to be a massive amount of pokemon that are never going to be used thanks to this power creep. I mean 5th gen UU looks like 4th gen OU but without the absolute top threats like Scizor and friends at this point.
Only real surprises are Infernape (really starting to rape shit with the shift to bulky mons) and Togekiss (why is this used?). Feeling really good that I get to abuse Mamoswine in lower tiers too.
Feeling the need to answer this since nobody else in this thread addressed it...
V-Create wasn't even released until halfway through the month, and it took a couple of days after being released for people to realize its power.
So you think that Victini will become OU when Smogon does their tier list update in 3-4 months because of V-create?
The people have spoken! This list is very interesting.
lol at Latias.
lol at Latias.
That's a very good point.
I am surprised Heatran was that high. I know he is good but I feel like I don't see him that much.
I am disappointed in Swampert. Both gastrodon AND quagsire are amazing this gen, swampert doesn't deserve to be above BOTH of them.
Slowbro, Azumarrill, Nidoking/queen, Xatu, Staraptor and Mamoswine should be higher as well but I could see them in BL.
Also for everyone hatin on Haxorus he does have a few things that other dragons do not. Amazingly high attack (obviously), only 1x weak to ice and dragon dance. Garchomp doesn't have dragon dance (even though it has base 102 speed, dragon dance would still be good on it) and neither does hydreigon (who doesn't need it being special). The 1x ice weakness is big though.
I am also surprised with Meinshao and Scrafty. I don't use scrafty much but it can be a pain even for gliscor. I think he deserves to be OU. Meinshao im not sure of. I saw someone run HP Ice on it and I was not ready for that at all. It screwed me over when I sent gliscor in...
for your point on gengar
people ALWAYS have used it, its still the badass from gen 1 and will be ou forever because hes classic
130 special attack 110 speed still puts him high and able to dent with focus blast and shadow ball for unresistant coverage is beast
air slash + thunder wave + aura sphere... good coverage AND hax!?!?!?!?!?!? Not to mention its bulky.
I'm surprised how Landorus is so low on the usage stats.... It was only PO fixing the sand power issue that no uses him anymore..
Swampert is as good a Tyranitar counter as its ever been. The Tank set 2HKOs 252/0 Tar through Leftovers almost 100% of the time while taking a pittance back. BandTar even fails to 2HKO w/ any of its moves (barring a Def drop from Crunch or a second layer). Swampert scares off Gliscor, Landorus, Heatran, ScarfChomp, Thundurus, SpD Jirachi (and Phaze out intended Wish recipients), can Phaze out SpD SD Scizor, amongst others, and can set up and re-set up SR reliably. With Ferro and Gliscor/Landorus/Garchomp being such threats, hardly anything runs HP Grass anymore, so incoming Grass attacks are easy to spot and easy to tank elsewhere on the team, especially in this metagame. Yes, Ferro causes it grief, just like Quagsire and Gastrodon, and Pert lacks Recover, but it still has clear advantages over the two (stats, Stealth Rock, and Roar). Gen. V leveled the playing field a little amongst the Water/Grounds, but Swampert still isn't dead water, not in any regard.
Uh... no?
There isn't the slightest reason to consider Sand broken, and you certainly aren't offering anything to change that. Posts like this are exactly why the anti-weather viewpoint is justifiably considered a joke with no basis whatsoever in the metagame.
I agree with you that Landorus is better, having used both. Also, I've often used Landorus as a counter for Excadrill.
Excuse me, but I've used 3 of those (not Whimsicott) and had all of them used against me. Nasty Plot Lucario @ Air Balloon is really powerful if you know how to use it. Haxorus hits like a truck w/ either phenomenal attack and good speed (band) or very good (though not perfect) speed and good attack (scarf), or can Dragon Dance and laugh in everything's face at once (barring a faster scarf user ... but they aren't about to switch in on a possibly Choice Banded Outrage, are they?). Whimsicott... not my style to use it, but I've had it used against me, and it is a massive pain. It doesn't KO much, but it really softens up some of my team in one go. Mienshao: have you encountered it before? If you don't have priority ON THE POKEMON YOU HAVE OUT, then you are in for a world of hurt, barring a scarf.
So, all four of those certainly have earned their place in OU in my book.
Lol.
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