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Smogon University PO Statistics — April 2011
- Thread starter Rising_Dusk
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Yay! Forretress is getting some love. People are realizing that Pain Split Forretress can easily go head to head with Ferrothorn, and spin away its hazards if they don't have a spinblocker. Gengar is getting quite a bit of usage to. Suicune has fallen off the face of the earth though :(
There are also some other disturbing stats on pokemon like Latias, Mew, Gorebyss, Smeargle, Raikou, Deoxys-S and so many other legit pokemon.
Thanks Rising_Dusk!
There are also some other disturbing stats on pokemon like Latias, Mew, Gorebyss, Smeargle, Raikou, Deoxys-S and so many other legit pokemon.
Thanks Rising_Dusk!
Yeah...Sand teams aren't always at +2, they generally will only try this when they have successfully weakened the opposing team (which means ANY checks would be useless.
Meanwhile, Swampert is as good of a check to Tyranitar as ever (especially since they all run Fire Blast and Ice Beam these days), setting up Stealth Rock and Roaring Ferrothorn when it tries to switch in. Surviving an Ice Beam isn't really that big of a deal IMO - Gliscor is relied on to check so many things it is rarely at full health, and even if it can survive, few people will be willing to let their Gliscor reach such low health just to defeat average offensive presence that Swampert is.
Garchomp needs an SD to defeat Swampert, otherwise the mudfish makes a decent switch into any other form. Leftovers SubChomp can't OHKO with Earthquake while Swampert will win by breaking the Sub and then KOing with Ice Beam. ScarfChomp gets walled and Pert can Roar the switchin to rack up SR damage.
SD Terrakion breaks Swampert (it also breaks Gliscor, btw), but Swampert comfortably deals with RP Terrakion, KOing it with Earthquake following a round of LO recoil and Stealth Rock. Balloon Terrakion also fails to 2HKO with consecutive 2 consecutive CCs while the SpD drop means that STAB Hydro Pump can OHKO even in Sand after LO and rocks.
Swampert still makes a great switch-in to Heatran (who is surprisingly high), SpD Jirachi, is a viable Water-type for use on Sun teams thanks to secondary STAB (and they will appreciate a Tar switch-in), and can deal with lesser threats such as Hippowdon, Tentacruel, and Metagross.
And despite tank Pert's usefulness having decreased, CBPert is still quite effective. Other users of the item have their advantages, but do not lure Ferrothorn as effectively as Swampert does. Other users of CB also tend to invest into attack and speed, as your aforementioned Garchomp, but Swampert will invest in bulk more often than not which distinguishes it. Finally, Hammer Arm means that Skarmory will eventually lose to it as well, which only a few other CBers can really claim.
Yeah Quagsire and Gastrodon have recovery and their other advantages, but Quagsire is pretty much useless until you face a threat at +2, otherwise it is taking unboosted hits worse than Swampert is. Same for Gastrodon - it had Recover last gen too, so all it really does is take Water attacks now (which is admittedly useful against rain).
I can't believe that Deoxys-D is 127.
Yeah, Gengar is a bro, but I find it weird because I haven't seen many of them, if at all.
keep in mind this only a month's worth of data as well has the meta still being in sorta the early days of gen 5
things will likely level out given more time.
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The rated BW Ubers stats are really interesting. I am honestly not surprised that Charizard is number 31, but I am surprised that Gastrodon, the pitch-perfect Kyogre counter not named Shedinja, is number 220. By the way, WHAT ON EARTH IS OCTILLERY DOING AT #243!!?!?! That is tied with freaking Electabuzz! Also, Bibarel was seen in a grand total of two Ubers battles. I guess I really am the only one who uses Moody in Ubers after all.
Is there any possibility of getting this in Excel format?
| 24 | Blissey | 40940 | 6.8314 |
| 58 | Chansey | 18626 | 3.1080 |
People are messed up.
| 58 | Chansey | 18626 | 3.1080 |
People are messed up.
@the unowns at the bottom of the stats
The hilarious part of this is that I looked for a word and came up with "SNIPE" instead of "PENIS"
I thought the actual advantage of using Forretress would be for Volt Switch so you can switch to a counter of whoever comes in to kill Forretress... is there a reason people aren't using Volt Switch on it??
Looking at the current list, while I'm sure we need a more sensitive method of determining the UU cut off, by my own impressions as an OU player, I think it should fall just before or after Sigilyph or Slowbro (that thing is good)... and before Electivire...
Honestly, after Slowbro, the order of stronger and weaker Pokemon becomes really obscure. People have noted how far Wobb and mew are down the list.
The fact that the Pokemon expected to be the "top dogs" of BW's OU (Wobb, Mew, Deoxys-D, Flygon, Kyuurem, Victini, Suicune, Shaymin, Snorlax) are often nowhere near a forcasted OU cutoff, brings me to believe that the order of the lower ranks of Pokemon is not a good measure for how strong they are.
Honestly, after Slowbro, the order of stronger and weaker Pokemon becomes really obscure. People have noted how far Wobb and mew are down the list.
The fact that the Pokemon expected to be the "top dogs" of BW's OU (Wobb, Mew, Deoxys-D, Flygon, Kyuurem, Victini, Suicune, Shaymin, Snorlax) are often nowhere near a forcasted OU cutoff, brings me to believe that the order of the lower ranks of Pokemon is not a good measure for how strong they are.
Flygon was never expected to be OU being entirely outclassed by Garchomp bar U-Turn. Likewise, Snorlax's usage was expected to fall from 4th gens OU.
As for the others they are all top UU threats and dont mean anything in OU relevance.
As for the others they are all top UU threats and dont mean anything in OU relevance.
APR 2011 UNRATED BW LC USAGE
Total Battles: 376
+ ---- + --------------- + ----- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Usage | Percent |
+ ---- + --------------- + ----- + ------- +
| 1 | Missingno | 367 | 48.8032 |
Hahahahahaha. Also, I think the cut should be right at 62, allowing 62, disallowing 63! I also enjoy seeing Espy at 54! I love Espeon!
Total Battles: 376
+ ---- + --------------- + ----- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Usage | Percent |
+ ---- + --------------- + ----- + ------- +
| 1 | Missingno | 367 | 48.8032 |
Hahahahahaha. Also, I think the cut should be right at 62, allowing 62, disallowing 63! I also enjoy seeing Espy at 54! I love Espeon!
Will the cut off be around 50 (UUis already released so I could just go check)?
I think that because there are many more fully evolved pokemon this generation than last, the cut off should be more like 60 (E-vire at 63 so he's still pwned).
I think 50 is too low this gen and if we leave it there, then the BL tier will fill up too much as we ban all the should-be-ou-but-isn't stuff.
I think that because there are many more fully evolved pokemon this generation than last, the cut off should be more like 60 (E-vire at 63 so he's still pwned).
I think 50 is too low this gen and if we leave it there, then the BL tier will fill up too much as we ban all the should-be-ou-but-isn't stuff.
I think OU should be larger also for that exact reason, but still kicking E-vire out since everyone here knows he has biased usage stats and that he's simply not good (Or at least, not good compared to other Pokemon). I also think that the far-down good ones like Deoxys-D should be up to OU, if not BL.
keep in mind that if we do cut E-Vire oput because of bias then we ourselves are showing bias in arbitarily picking that number.
Keep in mind that I'm sure nobody would care since it's Electivire.
Hey, if your postcount is below 150, then use Electivire.
Electivire isn't being cut out because of bias, it's cut out because it's not being used enough. According to the tiering formula we've been using for all of the other generations, Tornadus is the last OU pokemon, at #53. There's no bias in that.
This is pretty much what I expected in terms of usage. What surprises me is what people are using though - Swampert? Really? Honestly, I've found this thing to be almost ridiculously easy to deal with. I also expected Chansey to be higher up; don't get me wrong, I actually use Blissey over Chansey (leftovers IS a big deal) but it does have it's own unique traits (markedly better physical defense) that seperate it from Bliss. Suicune also really suprised me - with Scald added to it's arsenal, I've found that setting up with Calm Mind is easier than ever.
I guess things will all even out though eventually. In the mean time, UU is going to be hilarious :P
I guess things will all even out though eventually. In the mean time, UU is going to be hilarious :P
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