Hey, don't complain. I spent hours on my sprite and got 10 stinking votes! I could have submitted an 80x80 black square and it would have gotten 5-6 votes just from accidental clicks, anarchist contrarians, and retards. It would have only taken me 5 minutes. If we decide to trash all this frilly "pokemon stuff" and get straight to the minimum Shoddy requirements, I'd say you STILL made out a lot better than me.But I spent so long making the sprite... :(
To make an ability specifically targeted for one single move doesn't make sense. Competitively, it's viable. But, it's not like any other pokemon ability. Imagine an ability that didn't affect evasion in general, but specifically Double Team only. Who would make an ability like that? Someone who plays competitive battling Pokemon exclusively, that's who.
To target Stealth Rock as a specific move is just announcing that we really aren't making a general pokemon here. But instead, we are making a laser-precise tool to be used in the competitive Pokemon metagame. If we're going to do that, why are we bothering with pre-evos and dex entries? Let's just come up with some movesets and put it on Shoddy. We don't even need a sprite...
Except that Stealth Rock is a specific field effect, whereas evasion is a stat. I don't care if you increase +2 defense from Iron Defense or Acid Armor, it's the same net effect and the game doesn't care how you do it. Likewise, if there was some move not called Stealth Rock that had the side effect of causing the field effect Stealth Rock (for example, if Rock Smash had a 20% chance of laying rocks on the opponent's field or something), then this would still prevent against that, too. Field effects are different than specific moves, so your Double Team comparison doesn't make any sense.
There ya go, KOA. As for the design, I'd prefer you use the one on the upper left hand corner of this image:However, I have to request a few things from KoA... Firstly, could you darken the outline of the pokemon, specifically the arm and shoulder areas. They need to stick out more. Secondly, could you make the horn less fin-like. That's one of the things that has been irking me about your redesign. Thirdly, could you fix the wings. This has been bothering me the most out of your redesign. The bottom pair don't bother me that much (but I'd still like that cross on the bottom crystal), but the top pair is not how I designed it. Here's a sketch of how I envisioned it:
How is one free switch broken,It is common sense let use t-tar for example,T-tar use stone edge the person use syclant t-tar switches out,the second time you have t-tar out you use earthquake,crunch,dragon dance because person the might use syclant.Thats not broken that how you play pokemon.When person does this with levitate,ghost,water absorb,etc it is not broken.Couldn't we just make Mountaineer immunity from stealth rock? Wasn't that the main deal with trying to get Syclant in the battle?
Making it get a basically "free" switch if the opponent uses "stone edge" is.. broken, in my opinion, because switches are insanely important to the metagame and by pretty much getting a free one because of an ability, it just doesn't add up. Sure you can argue the opponent can do some prediction skills, but not even SR will affect it..
Maybe rock moves will be negated 25%? 50%? But not fully.
If you manage to time your switch so that Syclant gets a Stone Edge in it's face, I'd call it well predicted, since it actually HAS the abillity not to take damage from it.But switching into a stone edge and not taking damage is pretty dumb, if you predict poorly you should be punished.
Errm.Ice shell is like Magic Guard/Wonder Guard, but the pokemon that have those abilities are Clefable and Spiritomb, two very defensive pokemon. A trait like that on such an attacking pokemon is broken, so up for Mountaineer.
And i love the name Sylar, i think i was the first to post it, in some poll way back...
The heroes in-joke, and the closeness to Syclant is very fitting.
I caught that too, and will be siging it in the near future.Errm.
Okay, I was taking your argument pretty seriously until you said that. You just lost all credibility by comparing the current metagame to GSC, and to moves that don't even exist. You now fail.Well having Stealth Rock immunity wouldn't really be against precedent...back in GSC, Spikes were the only available "entry hazard." Rapid spin simply cleared the field of spikes, while doing a little bit of damage. Spikes are different from Stealth Rock in as much as the fact that the game recognizes them separately.
Perhaps in the future we'll have Stealth Icicles, Stealth Lava, Stealth Vines or anything like that, which will function the same way as Stealth Rock. These can be dealt with accordingly (maybe Mountaineer simply would become "avoids stealth entry hazards"). I still don't see the equivalence of Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Toxic Spikes. They all are different typed moves with different field effects. While they can all be considered entry hazards, each of them create unique, specific field effects...blocking one of those specific effects doesn't seem too out of the question for me.
eric the espeon: My comparison to Wonderguard and Honey Gather was to prove a point. Would you rather have an ability that lets you come in on the three indirect damage moves in the game, two of which can be found on almost every team? Or an ability that lets you come in on Stone Edge? I was proving how broken one is in comparison to the other.
i still disagree but anyway atleast it will be voted for so i will exept whatever the votes say.
We could have a vote, but Hyra is the only person whom I remember showing any real interest in changing the program, and he liked my idea of putting him in charge.
maybe say that you are looking for someone to run the next program? then whoever offers to run it and has participated in the program well should be on a poll. i would run the program if chosen. or maybe there could be 2-3 people runing this? i dont know, but i would like it to continue. hyra has been very active from the biging and would probably be a good choice though.