Smogon's First "Create a Pokemon": Reflections, Opinions, and Closing

Discussion in 'Create-A-Pokémon Project' started by Cooper, Jan 16, 2008.

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Are You Satisfied with how the First "Create A Pokemon" Turned Out?

  1. Yeah, I felt it was handled really well

    146 vote(s)
    42.4%
  2. Well, it was alright, but a few changes need to be made

    105 vote(s)
    30.5%
  3. No, I hated it

    19 vote(s)
    5.5%
  4. I really liked it, but I think the pokemon is broken, so I'm going to be stupid and say no

    43 vote(s)
    12.5%
  5. "Create A Pokemon?"

    31 vote(s)
    9.0%
  1. Cooper

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    The Syclant server is finally up! Not sure if you can see it on the main Shoddy menu though. However, you can still connect manually! All info can be found in DJD's post. Get battling!

    Well, we're done. That's it. Over. Kaput. Get out now. There's nothing left to discuss.

    What? You're still here? Losers. Well, if you want something to look at, I suppose you could try this:

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    [​IMG] Syclant
    Bug/Ice
    Ability: Compound Eyes/ Mountaineer
    70/ 116/ 70/ 114/ 64/ 121

    Compound Eyes: Raises accuracy of moves by 30%.

    Mountaineer: This pokemon takes no indirect or direct damage from Rock type attacks upon switching in. This doesn't block additional effects.

    Dex Entry 1: "The icicles on SYCLANT's back grow bigger as it gets older, the older a SYCLANT is the longer the icicles are. The icicles are 100x stronger than any POKEMON's bone and razor sharp."

    Dex Entry 2: "Wild SYCLANTs are very aggressive, so much so that they live alone. They train by breaking apart large glaciers."

    Dex Entry 3: "Wild SYCLANT are fearsome predators. Even in harsh blizzards they can quickly chase down their prey with stunning agility. Should a DELIBIRD find itself near a colony, it would be swarmed almost immediately."

    Movepool:

    Level:
    - Thunder Fang
    - Fire Fang
    - Leech life
    - Leer
    - Ice Shard
    10 Focus Energy
    15 Knock Off
    17 Slash
    20 Bite
    28 Icy Wind
    32 X-Scissor
    40 Night Slash
    49 Ice Punch
    55 Bug Buzz
    65 Sheer Cold

    TMs/HMs:
    TM03: Water Pulse
    TM06: Toxic
    TM07: Hail
    TM10: Hidden Power
    TM12: Taunt
    TM13: Ice Beam
    TM14: Blizzard
    TM15: Hyper Beam
    TM16: Light Screen
    TM17: Protect
    TM18: Rain Dance
    TM21: Frustration
    TM27: Return
    TM28: Dig
    TM31: Brick Break
    TM32: Double Team
    TM33: Reflect
    TM39: Rock Tomb
    TM40: Aerial Ace
    TM41: Torment
    TM42: Facade
    TM43: Secret Power
    TM44: Attract
    TM45: Rest
    TM46: Thief
    TM47: Steel Wing
    TM51: Roost
    TM52: Focus Blast
    TM54: False Swipe
    TM56: Fling
    TM58: Endure
    TM60: Drain Punch
    TM62: Silver Wind
    TM63: Embargo
    TM65: Shadow Claw
    TM66: Payback
    TM68: Giga Impact
    TM70: Flash
    TM71: Stone Edge
    TM72: Avalanche
    TM75: Swords Dance
    TM78: Captivate
    TM80: Rock Slide
    TM81: X-Scissor
    TM82: Sleep Talk
    TM83: Natural Gift
    TM84: Poison Jab
    TM87: Swagger
    TM89: U-Turn
    TM90: Substitute
    TM91: Flash Cannon
    HM01: Cut
    HM03: Fly (for those bitching that this doesn't fly, explain Doduo)
    HM04: Strength
    HM06: Rock Smash

    Egg Moves (Bug Group):

    - Earth Power (Trapinch)
    - Superpower (Pincir)
    - Spikes (Forretress)
    - Counter (Forretress)
    - Air Slash (Scyther, Scizor)
    - Crunch (Skorupi, Drapion, Trapinch)
    - Tail Glow (?) (Volbeat)

    What? That still doesn't convince you to leave? Huh. Maybe you should read this then:

    Okay people, we may be done creating Syclant, but we still have a bit more to go before we can really call this project finished. We need to

    • Make the trivial information such as weight and height
    • Decide on pre-evo information (name, moves learned at what levels, etc.)
    • Pick a new mod for the Second "Create A Pokemon"

    All of these ting are, in my mind, too small to deserve their own poll, so we'll be doing them here. I mean, Syclar is pretty much the only name that really works, and how much could a bug possibly weigh? Also, I'm putting out a note here that a new mod needs to be selected. I'm willing to help with future programs, but I don't want it on my head. So after everything is said and done, I'll be retiring. My vote goes to Hyra, but if anyone else wants the job, please say so.

    For those of you who want to look back at the progress of the first "Create A Pokemon," these are the links to the polls:

    Poll 1, part A
    Poll 1, part B
    Poll 2
    Poll 3
    Poll 4
    Poll 5
    Poll 5, part 2
    Poll 6
    Poll 6, part 2
    Poll 7
    Poll 7, part 2
    Poll 7, part 3
    Poll 8
    Poll 9
    Poll 10
    Poll 11
    Poll 12
    Poll 13
    Poll 13, part 2
    Poll 14

    Discuss.
  2. Mario With Lasers

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    Don't forget that Trapinch learns Crunch too!

    And about the pre-evo movepool, I think we can pretty much just remove the "winged" moves (Roost, Fly...), the fangs and Rock Smash, Brick Break, Focus Blast and Swords Dance (only Syclant would get those four because of its "extensive training" breaking the glaciers).

    We could throw some random pre-evo-only move. Something silly, like Pin Missile, maybe...?
  3. Davy

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    It was alright....Weird name for the ability....Still think it should be called Ice/Hard Shell as the ability though
  4. GengarCrysis92

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    Height: 5" 3'
    Weight: 109 Lbs
    Scylant

    Height: 2" 6'
    Weight: 20 Lbs
    Syclar

    For Syclar, just use the same Movepool, except get rid of exactly what Mario said. Throw in Pin missle at Level 7.
  5. Rhykune

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    Who is going to mod the next one? I could if nobody else wants to but only if nobody else wants to.
  6. majesty

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    This just strikes me as bad grammar. The last line is so unrequired.


    Fair enough.

    They live alone but in a colony. Strange. I like dex entry number 2!
  7. Flash_gearz

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    I wanna mod next one ^_^

    I say it looks like it's about 4 feet tall

    And it would weigh about 80-90 pounds


    Scylar should be about 1-2 feet tall. And being a big bug made of ice, it should be about 10-30 pounds
  8. SkaterTrainer

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    Wow great finally.

    Now for the pre evo and etc.

    Trapinch learns crunch too don't forget that.
  9. X-Trader

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    I say the next typing for a a Pokemon should be a Fire / Steel or Dark / Rock

    The pre-evo shold be named Sylonite
  10. Cooper

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    That's why those two aren't one description. And #2 was mine!
  11. CyzirVisheen

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    Well, in case anyone cares, I compiled a set of links to all of the "Create a Pokemon" Polls, as well as the Art thread:

    Art Thread:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33380
    Poll 1 links:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32949
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32950
    Poll 2 link:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33080
    Poll 3 Link:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33220
    Poll 4 Link:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33378
    Poll 5 Links:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33578
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33784
    Poll 6 Links:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33900
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34050
    Poll 7 Links:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34162
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34297
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34419
    Poll 8 Link:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34580
    Poll 9 Link:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34726
    Poll 10 Link:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34835
    Poll 11 Link:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34907
    Poll 12 Link:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35014
    Poll 13 Links:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35085
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35144
    Poll 14 Link:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35223

    I must say, this was quite a learning experience. Now we kinda know what Game Freak has to go through every generation (Not that they do it this specific way).
  12. majesty

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    I like that you included glaciers, as well as the training itself. It's pretty badass looking, Cooper.

    I like how you expressed your opinions in various things but ran the polls straight. Good work.
  13. Stathakis

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    the whole thing turned out very well. It's hilarious that this very exact poll was one of the reasons I joined smogon after lurking since d/p came out. I joined on maybe poll, and I've enjoyed this whole thing. Cooper, you're a god. BTW I voted "Create a Pokemon?" just for the lol factor.
  14. Mario With Lasers

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    Don't forget that we made all of this on a pokémon forum; they must have something like a reunion room (or they just yell at each other, suggesting random moves/stats/sprites). Lol, Pokémon Co.'s stock exchange...
  15. GengarCrysis92

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    Hm. I would really like to be the mod for the next one. And don't worry. If I am I WILL not shove my "Warlax" idea down everyone's throat. But I would like to see either the Marowak Evo as my Avatar, a Farfetch'd Evo or my Snorlax idea, but I don't mind, as long as Im helping the cause and doing something. So, yeah, I would really like to be the mod of the next pokemon.
    As for Dex Entry #1:

    Dex Entry 1: "The icicles on SYCLANT's back grow bigger as it gets older, the older a SYCLANT is the longer the icicles are. The icicles are 100x stronger than any POKEMON's bone and razor sharp."

    Edited version: "The icicles on this POKEMON's back grow bigger as it grows older and stronger. These icicles can become 100X stronger than any other POKEMON's bone and are extremely sharp."

    That looks and sounds a little better.
  16. Cooper

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    Gengar: I would consider you, but the only problems are your post count and the fact you came in late. I'm worried you might not be able to properly set up the program, and that you lack the strategic knowledge for what the metagame needs. Can you convince me otherwise?
  17. I am Gengar

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    I have to say I'm very happy with the back sprite. I hate it when awesome pokemon end up with a crappy back sprite. coughgarhompcough.

    EDIT: when are we going to test Syclant on shoddy? i can't wait.
  18. darkie

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    Haha, you put a poll on this, so poll 14 isn't really "the ACTUAL last poll" :P
  19. Bull of Heaven

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    But do we want two Dex entries to contradict each other? I know we voted for them, but at the time, we weren't thinking about contradictions. We might want to change one of the entries now.

    Why don't we just replace this "living alone" with the ice castles I voted for? Am I serious? I'm not sure.

    By the way, I voted for, "It was handled really well".
  20. zxn666

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    Wow, the sprites are really good...
  21. GengarCrysis92

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    The only problem I have with that, is that I don't understand. Yes I came in late, but that is because I was lurking Smogon for a while, and was un-sure if people would either yell at me or grasiously accept me. But I ended up registering. I undertsnad the whole process. With multiple polls on the same thing, Im pretty sure I understand the Metagame. If what you mean by the "Metagme" is all the Calculations, then yeah I have no clue. But if you mean things like: Uber Status, Overpowerment of a Movepool, broken sets, and all the stuff like that, then yes I do know about that. I would just need the format in which to start the polls in, and I would catch on very fast.
  22. Cooper

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    I mean if you can tell how something will work in the current metagame, in relation to other pokemon. I feel it's important to know why Syclant couldn't have Baton Pass, or why I was so against Ice Shell, why Thunderbolt was not an option, and how other pokemon could hope to defeat this. Those are rhetorical, by the way.
  23. GengarCrysis92

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    Oh, then yeah I would be able to do that. But, no offense, I didn't see you come up with who could possibly beat Scylant. I thought Lord Sunday did that.
  24. Logan

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    Didn't pay much attention to
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    This entire thing because I didn't like how it was going
    But it isn't tooo bad.

    Syclant @ Life Orb
    Ability: Compound Eyes
    EVs: 200 SpAtk / 56 Atk / 252 Spd
    (+Spd, -Def)
    - Roost
    - Blizzard
    - Bug Buzz
    - Super Power

    Eh. Prolly what I'd use.

    I hope the next is better, however.

    EDIT:
    A Taunt/Swords Dance/X-Scizzor/Ice Fang set might be cool too =]
  25. Cooper

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    Sunday designed the set. I'm not going to pretend I knew all of the counters off the top of my head, and knew the perfect sets to take advantage of the metagame (I still don't, but then I haven't read the analysis), but I knew the impact such a pokemon would have. I'm not saying you have to be a pokemon master, but you need to have enough of a grip on the metagame to know how you're affecting it.

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