Spelling and Grammar Standards

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  1. GatoDelFuego

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    Just saw the phrase "much needed" a few times and changed it to "much-needed".

    I'm pretty sure a hyphen is better for most of what people will be using the phrase for (Ferrothorn provides a much-needed Water resistance), right?
  2. Oglemi

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    Okay so talked to Oglemi / Treecko on #grammer.

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    don't think this has been mentioned yet but apologies if it has; today seems to be a general day of fail for me

    are we hyphenating mega(-)evolution (referring to the act of mega evolving, as well as the mega-evolved form/ 'stage') and its other offshoots like mega evolve / mega evolving (verb), mega evolved (adjective)?

    de-hyphenated looks the best to me and is the form i've seen used the most so i personally think we should go with that; mega-evolved (ie 'mega-evolved pokemon') should follow normal adjective hyphenation rules though


    while we're at it, standardize spacing of mega forms as Mega Mewtwo etc?
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    #grammar* u_u !

    From pokemonxy.com, the official site for the new games:

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    Mega Evolution
    Mega-Evolved


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    Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Mewtwo Y

    All the other Mega Pokemon follow the same pattern.

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    Mega Evolve

    I would assume that would be extended to Mega Evolving, but not to Mega-Evolved.
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    "hazards" should be called "entry hazards"
  7. Oglemi

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    it can just be hazards after the first use of entry hazards
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    a lot of people seem to use "premiere" when it should be "premier"
    for example:
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    ^That is hilarious
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    i think that might be from too much use of Adobe Premiere.
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    I believe that the tiers are incorrectly capitalized. These standards say to use "Overused, Neverused" but everything else on the side says "OverUsed", etc.

    What should it be?
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    iirc you can use both... just be consistent with whichever you're using. If it's for analyses then just use the abbreviation OU NU etc. Over in http://www.smogon.com/bw/metagames/ it's Overused but the forum names here are OverUsed etc so lol. Just stick to one in the article or w/e

    edit: oh yea a question from me too. Now that Hi Jump Kick is properly spelt as High Jump Kick in XY, will it be spelt as such for XY analyses / articles etc but still Hi Jump Kick for BW and past gens? Probably yes but just checking haha :o
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    Yeah the old spelling for stuff like Hi Jump Kick will stay that way for old analyses and be written as High Jump Kick for XY onwards.
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    So in regards to fluff and cliche phrases, I'd like to bring another dud into the limelight.

    I've been seeing a lot of pointless transitions in overviews as of late. Stuff like "However, Pokemon x is not without its flaws." Well yeah; no shit. For the sake of argument let me use Weedle as "Pokemon x".

    So basically these overviews start out like this:

    Paragraph 1:<insert positive characteristics>
    Paragraph 2:However, Weedle is not with its flaws. / Not all is well for Weedle.<insert issues with said pokemon>

    The problem with these transitions (at least in my perspective) is that they they're blatantly obvious, awkwardly worded, and are just in the paragraph for the sake of it (I.e. fluff). You can basically cut to the chase and say "Weedle is held back by its paltry stats, movepool, and mediocre typing, all of which keep it from accomplishing much of anything." Or an easier way to put it is to combine the transition sentence with the corresponding idea. At the very least, the sentence will have some meat on it. The way I see it, these type of sentences slow down the writing and are just annoying to read in general.

    I'm just wondering if anyone on the GP team agrees or feels the same way. My request is that these pointless transitional sentences be grouped together with the likes of "the crux of this set" and "force to be reckoned with".
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    Yeah Icecream that's something I've pointed out to some GP members and have been trying to put in with the crux of the set, etc.

    So yeah, acknowledged.
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    I know some of these are out of date when I copied over for the new ones, so here's an updated 5th gen version of the standards.

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    This thread is a reflection of C&C's Spelling and Grammar Standards article located here. Because this article is not easily accessible on-site, people make many errors that could've been easily prevented. This thread is so that users can both discuss the standards and refer to them easily within our forums.

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    1. [jump=1]Spelling[/jump]
      • [jump=2]Abbreviations[/jump]
      • [jump=3]Coined Terms[/jump]
    2. [jump=4]Grammar[/jump]
      • [jump=5]Capitalization[/jump]
    [a]1[/a]Spelling
    • Pokemon should be spelled without the accent.
    • The nature Naive should be spelled without the diaeresis (which looks like this: ï ).
    • The phrase "super effective" is neither hyphenated nor capitalized.
    • Never use an ampersand (&) as a replacement for "and."
    • The phrases "revenge KO" and "revenge kill" are never hyphenated.
    • When a type name is directly followed by the word "type", a hyphen is used (Normal-type).
    • When saying that a Pokemon has "some typing", it is never hyphenated (Gengar's Ghost typing helps it be viable in OU.).
    • Dealing with dual typings is a bit trickier. When a dual type name is directly followed by the word "type," a hyphen should not be used (Rock / Ground type). When saying that a Pokemon has "some dual typing," it is never hyphenated as well (Golem's Rock / Ground typing was a godsend in RBY OU.).
    • Always spell out the full name of an item, never use abbreviations (Life Orb is a powerful item on Gengar).
    • Always spell out the full name of a stat (Salamence should always run 252 Speed EVs). The only exception is when used in a full EV spread or in damage calculations (An alternative spread of 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD is viable with a Bold nature).
    • Always use spaces in between the slash and numerical investment for EV spreads (Physical attackers should run a 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe EV spread).
    • Rotom and Deoxys formes, not forms.
    • The standards for forme names are as follows: Wormadam-G, Wormadam-S, Shaymin-S, Deoxys-S, Deoxys-A, Deoxys-D, Giratina-O, and Rotom-A (where A is C for the lawn mower, H for the toaster, W for the washer, F for the refrigerator, S for the fan, and A for the five formes in general).
    • The base forme of a Pokemon should not have a hyphenated name. For examples: Landorus and Landorus-T, not Landorus-I and Landorus-T; Giratina and Giratina-O, not Giratina-A; Rotom and Rotom-C, not Rotom-N.
    • The term is Speed tie, not Speed-tie or Speed Tie.
    • Use "switch-in" when referring to a Pokemon that often switches in on another (Scizor is a common switch-in to Latias).
    • Do not use a hyphen when using "switch in" as a verb (Gyarados can switch in on Mamoswine).
    • Always use a hyphen when using "early-game, mid-game, and late-game" to refer to the point in a battle when a Pokemon typically fights in a battle.
    • Use "Uber" when referring to the Uber tier, but "Ubers" is acceptable when referring to the Ubers metagame.
    • Use the ASCII ( ' ) apostrophe in writing, not the curly ( ’ ) apostrophe.
    • Use the ASCII ( " ) quotation marks in writing, not the curly ( “ ” ) quotation marks.
    • When referring to the combination of Rest and Sleep Talk, use RestTalk. This also goes for other accepted move combinations, including BoltBeam, VoltTurn, SubSeed, and EdgeQuake. These combinations should not be reversed; QuakeEdge is not OK.
    • When using one of the below-endorsed abbreviations, never use the non-abbreviated phrase.
    • Do not refer to Latias and Latios together as Lati@s.
    • When setup is being used as an adjective, spell it as setup and not set-up (Pichu is setup bait for Mewtwo). The verb form, to set up, is spelled as such (Mewtwo can set up on Pichu).
    • The company is called Game Freak, not Gamefreak or GameFreak.
    [a]2[/a]Abbreviations
    • Use 3v3 as an abbreviation for the triple battle metagame.
    • Use VGC as an abbreviation for the Video Game Championships.
    • Use RBY as an abbreviation for the Red / Blue / Yellow generation.
    • Use GSC as an abbreviation for the Gold / Silver / Crystal generation.
    • Use ADV as an abbreviation for the Advance Ruby / Sapphire / Emerald generation.
    • Use DPP as an abbreviation for the Diamond / Pearl / Platinum generation.
    • Use BW as an abbreviation for the Black / White / Black 2 / White 2 generation.
    • Use OHKO as an abbreviation for one-hit knock-out.
    • Use NHKO as an abbreviation for an N-hit knock-out, where N is any number greater than 1 (Choice Band Gyarados can cleanly 2HKO even bulky Rotom-W).
    [a]3[/a]Coined Terms
    • The term outspeed (outspeeding, outsped, also outpace) is accepted as meaning "to move first in battle."
    • The term outdamage (outdamaged, outdamaging) is accepted as meaning "to deal more damage than another attack or Pokemon."
    • The term spinblock (spinblocker, spinblocking) is accepted as meaning "to block Rapid Spin."
    • The term phaze (phazer, phazing, phazed) is accepted as meaning "to pseudo-haze," which in turn describes forcing a switch with a move such as Whirlwind.
    • The term wallbreaker (wallbreaking) is accepted as meaning "Pokemon that breaks down walls."
    • The term stallbreaker (stallbreaking) is accepted as meaning "Pokemon that breaks down stall."
    • The term spinner (spinning) is accepted as meaning "Pokemon that can use Rapid Spin."
    • The term Spiker is accepted as meaning "Pokemon that can use Spikes / Toxic Spikes."
    • The term moveslot is accepted as meaning "slot in a Pokemon's set."
    • The term movepool is accepted as meaning "pool of all of a Pokemon's moves."
    • The term teamslot is accepted as meaning "slot in a Trainer's team."
    • The term playstyle is accepted as meaning a style of play in the metagame, e.g. stall, offensive, balanced, etc.
    • The term Spikes-stacking is accepted as an adjective meaning "a team that attempts to stack multiple layers of Spikes."
    • The term four-moveslot syndrome is accepted as meaning "a problem arising due to the Pokemon only being allowed to have four moves at one time."
    • The term Fire / Water / Grass core is accepted as meaning "a core used containing a Fire-type, Water-type, and Grass-type, which is notable for its synergy."
    • In RBY analyses, it is permissible to use the term sleeper, which is accepted as meaning "a Pokemon that induces sleep onto the opponent."
    • In Doubles analyses, the term speed control is used to refer to "control of how quickly Pokemon will act." It is not capitalized.
    • When referring to a set that uses two specific moves, ensure the "+" sign is used, not "and" (Substitute + Bulk Up Braviary).
    [a]4[/a]Grammar
    • Smogon uses the serial comma, the comma before "and" in a list (I went to the store with Bob, Jane, and Mike). This picture explains why
    • Use active voice (Gliscor can OHKO Magnezone) whenever possible rather than passive voice (Magnezone can be OHKOed by Gliscor).
    • Commas should not be used to separate a compound verb unless the conjunction is combining two independent clauses or the comma is necessary for clarity (Pichu walked into the store and bought a pie).
    • When writing a fraction, add a hyphen between the numerator and the denominator if both are written out rather than numerical (Pichu ate two-thirds of the pie.)
    • Do not put a hyphen between an adverb and a noun (Pichu can use a defensively oriented set or a specially based set).
    • When written as a single object, even naturally plural items are treated as singular (Leftovers is a good item choice on bulky Pokemon. Choice Specs is put to excellent use on Jolteon).
    • For unbracketed asides, use the em dash (—) and no spaces (Mareep—that is to say, the entire evolution family—is extremely cute).
    • Hidden Power Type, not Hidden Power [Type].
    • The plural of a Pokemon is identical to the singular of that Pokemon. One Blissey, two Blissey. Never two Blisseys.
    • OHKOes as the verb form (Salamence OHKOes Alakazam) and OHKOs as a plural noun (Salamence scores many OHKOs). OHKOed is the past tense (Salamence OHKOed Alakazam).
    • Always append 's to a noun when signifying a singular possessive (Latias's Soul Dew) or plural possessive that doesn't end in s (Lucario's Swords Dance), and simply a ' when signifying a plural possessive for a word that ends in s (All Latios' Draco Meteor).
    • When listing multiple types, use a hyphen after each type (Water-, Flying-, and Normal-types).
    • When listing effectiveness of attacks, the number goes before the x (Earthquake is 2x super effective on Lucario. Ice Beam is 4x super effective on Salamence).
    • The word "resists" is only to be used as a form of the infinitive "to resist" and never as a noun ("Flying-type resists such as Pichu are good Pokemon" is incorrect).
    • Swift Swim sweeper, not Swift Swimmer.
    • You may use the pronoun "who" instead of "which" or "that" and use "he" or "she" to refer to Pokemon as people if you so desire. It must be consistent for the entire article or analysis if this is done, however.
    • Do not write an analysis in a form that puts emphasis on changes by generation. This includes avoiding phrases such as "With the advent of BW."
    • When referring to the battler, use the pronoun "you." Do not use "you" to refer to a Pokemon.
    • Smogon uses the American English spelling of words (favor, minimized, maximized, etc.).
    • It is "an OHKO," not "a OHKO" (pronounce it 'oh-aitch-kay-oh' and it will make sense).
    • The past tense of "to EV" is "EVed" and the plural of EV is EVs.
    • The word "spectrum" should never be used to describe the difference between physical and special offensive and defensive stats; "Infernape hits hard from both sides of the spectrum" should be rephrased to say "Infernape hits hard both physically and specially," or something similar.
    • Refer to the "Wi-Fi Clause" as "Team Preview."
    • Avoid using "crux" in your analysis unless you know what you are doing. 95% of the time, you will simply be adding useless filler like "X is the crux of this set," which does not provide the reader with any information of value.
    • Avoid using pointless filler phrases such as "However, Weedle is not without its flaws. / Not all is well for Weedle. <insert issues with said Pokemon>." These artificially lengthen analyses without providing any actual information. Instead, say something like "Weedle is held back by its paltry stats, movepool, and mediocre typing, all of which keep it from accomplishing much of anything."
    • The word "base" should come before the numbers of a stat. For example, Mew has a base 100 Special Attack rather than Mew has a 100 base Special Attack.
    [a]5[/a]Capitalization
    • Stats (Attack, Special Defense, etc.) are capitalized.
    • Pseudo-stats (accuracy, evasion) are not capitalized.
    • Types (Fire-type, Water-type, etc.) are capitalized.
    • Status effects (paralysis, sleep, etc.) are not capitalized.
    • Pseudo-status effects (confusion, etc.) are not capitalized.
    • "Berry" is always capitalized when talking about a pinch Berry, even when used without a specific name (The suggested item is a Berry). If not talking about some kind of pinch Berry, then it should not be capitalized (Pichu enjoys berries in its salad).
    • "Ball" is always capitalized when talking about a Poké Ball of some sort, even when used without a specific name (The Ball used for capture doesn't matter). If not talking about some kind of Poke Ball, then it should not be capitalized (Pichu likes playing with a beach ball).
    • "Egg" is always capitalized when talking about a Pokemon Egg of some sort (The Pokemon's Egg hatched!). This also applies to Egg Groups. If not talking about a Pokemon's Egg, then it should not be capitalized (Delibird is actually quite a fan of scrambled eggs).
    • "Choice" in "Choice item" is always capitalized when talking about any non-specific Choice item, such as Choice Specs, Choice Scarf, and Choice Band (Tyranitar is an excellent user of Choice items). When not used in context of the generalized items, then choice is not capitalized (The choice of which to do is up to you).
    • "Orb" in "status Orb" is always capitalized when talking about any non-specific status Orb, such as Flame Orb and Toxic Orb (Swellow can activate its ability Guts through the use of a status Orb), but "status" is not capitalized. When not used in the context of the generalized items, then orb is not capitalized (Spoink has a beautiful orb on its head).
    • Weather (sun, rain, etc.) is not capitalized.
    • Conditions (Gyarados was Thunderbolted) are capitalized only when the entire move name is used (Scizor passed Iron Defense to Skarmory. Scizor Baton Passed Iron Defense to Skarmory).
    • Clauses (Sleep Clause, OHKO Clause, Item Clause, etc.) are capitalized in full, even when part of the word is normally not capitalized (ie. sleep, item, etc.).
    • Tiers (Uber, Overused, Underused, etc.) are capitalized.
    • Doubles is capitalized when talking about the Smogon Doubles metagame; however, if talking about the doubles battle format only then it is not capitalized.
    • Community-created terms such as "Speed tier" are not capitalized beyond the normal conventions, but Nintendo-created terms such as "Base Power" are capitalized as they would be in-game.
    • Set names are only capitalized in set titles, never in set comments (If Arcanine is a specially defensive variant, it isn't OHKOed by Milotic's Surf). Extreme Killer Arceus is the only exception.
    • Pokemon roles (sweeper, tank, special wall, etc.) are not capitalized.
    • Ho-Oh, not Ho-oh.
    • Wi-Fi, not Wifi or Wi-fi.
    • The following applies for the capitalization of specific moves:
      • Abilities or attacks that consist of two words but that fit the 12-letter restriction (Sunny Day, Zen Headbutt, Mold Breaker, etc.) are written with a space in between and with both words having an initial capital letter.
      • All attacks having a dash (Wake-Up Slap, X-Scissor, etc.) are written with the word after the dash also capitalized. U-turn and V-create are the only exceptions to this rule.
    • The word "physical" is not capitalized. The word "special" is not capitalized when not referring to a stat (Azelf has base 125 Special Attack, but Flamethrower is a special attack). When saying something is "physically defensive" or "specially defensive," physical and special are not capitalized.
    • The word "defenses" is not capitalized when referring to a Pokemon's overall defensive ability rather than to a stat (Cresselia has exceptional balanced defenses).
    • The word "Pokemon" is always capitalized.
    • The word "nature" is not capitalized (Adamant nature, not Adamant Nature).
    • The word "suspect" is not capitalized when referring to a Pokemon (Garchomp is a suspect), but it is capitalized when referring to the Suspect metagame or tier.
    • The word "bulky" is not capitalized when it prefixes a type (bulky Water-type, not Bulky Water-type).
    • The phrase "critical hit" is not capitalized.
    • The phrase "dual screens" is not capitalized.
    • The word "item" is never capitalized.

    In-game
    • It is indeed in-game with the hyphen, not ingame or in game.
    • It's Pokédex, not PokéDex or Poké Dex
    • You should write Pokémon Center with the accent.
    • Other Poké words: Poké Ball, Poké Flute, Poké Mart, etc.
    • The standard we go by is Poké Dollars to describe the currency of the Pokemon games.
    • In GSC, it is called the Pokégear.
    • "Berry" is always capitalized when talking about a pinch Berry, even when used without a specific name (The suggested item is a Berry). If not talking about some kind of pinch Berry, then it should not be capitalized (Pichu enjoys berries in its salad).
    • "Ball" is always capitalized when talking about a Poké Ball of some sort, even when used without a specific name (The Ball used for capture doesn't matter). If not talking about some kind of Poké Ball, then it should not be capitalized (Pichu likes playing with a beach ball).
    • "Egg" is always capitalized when talking about a Pokemon Egg of some sort (The Pokemon's Egg hatched!). This also applies to Egg Groups. If not talking about a Pokemon's Egg, then it should not be capitalized (Delibird is actually quite a fan of scrambled eggs).
    • Trainer is always capitalized when used in the context of a Pokemon Trainer.
    • The correct capitalization and spelling is Exp. Points.
    • The "w" in wild Pokemon is never capitalized.
    • Gym Leader is always capitalized.
    • Gym is also always capitalized when talking about the Gym of the town where the Gym Leader resides that holds the Badge.
    • Badge is always capitalized as well.
    • The title of a Trainer is always capitalized; ie. Fisherman, Lass, Rocket Grunt, etc. However, when a Trainer class and a normal citizen have the same name, such as scientist, only capitalize those who are actually Trainers (I got the item from the Scientist that I battled), (I talked to one of the scientists in Cinnabar Lab).
    • When doing an action of some kind using the HM moves, it should be capitalized. (When you reach the water, Surf across to the other side. When you reach the small tree, Cut it and continue on your way, etc.).
    • The "r" in route is only capitalized when used as a proper noun in conjunction with the route number, such as Route 1.
    • There is no space between the "TM" and the number of the TM, such as TM01. This is the same for HMs.


    This includes the below
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  18. Kingler12345

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    This is something I would like resolved, as after the convo i had with piikachuu, idk if this shit is standardized.
    When we use something like sweeping sets, for example, Substitute + Bulk Up Braviary or Substitute + Calm Mind<insert poke here>, are we using the + sign?
    To me, using 'and' instead of + is absurd, since the previously mentioned subBU and subCM are actual on-site sets and using 'and' makes it seem as if they weren't mutually inclusive(i.e. countering Substitute and Bulk up braviary implies that you counter Substitute Braviary and Bulk Up Braviary, but not the onsite set itself), so I'd like to see what GP thinks of this
    btw piikachuu told me to bring this up if i wanted
  19. GatoDelFuego

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    That seems like a really smart idea to standardize.
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    I was always happy with using the + symbol, it isn't like it's unprofessional, and as said, makes sense from a context viewpoint. We use slashes for EV spreads and % for damage calculations, it isn't a huge leap to abbreviate set combinations. If the + is used in set names, that's even more reason to keep it.
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    + is fine, idk why it wouldn't be

    also, the name should be spelled out for set names (Substitute + Calm Mind) but it's fine to write it as SubCM in the writing as it's also been standardized in the Dictionary onsite
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    Can we stop people from saying "kill," "kills," and "killed" in write-ups? For example: "Scizor kills Togekiss with Bullet Punch." Pokemon are not killed, they are fainted. We need to use different vocabulary for these situations, such as "defeats," "KOs," or "beats."

    Sorry if someone brought this up or if it's mentioned (can't find it), but I see it a lot.
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    sure i can add something to the OP
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    Oglemi whatever you add can you be sure to put it in the 6th generation one as well?

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