What even does that? The amount of Pokemon that don't do that is HUGE, which is why it's assumed that Walrein has a sub up. The point is that it is so incredibly easy for Walrein to set up a Substitute, and almost nothing can beat it after that. This is the whole point of like half the posts in here. Not going to bother responding to the rest of the posts because it just drives me nuts and "forfeiting to not have to deal with Walrein" is absolutely ridiculous and irrelevant. Can you just sum up your thoughts on hail / Walrein / Ice Body's brokenness? I think people are just looking at the fluff in your posts and finding stuff that is wrong or has nothing to do with the discussion.