Serious Teacher loses appeal to return to teaching because of history in pornography

[Every1XplodeNOW]

I don't know what I'd do without porn.

-Go out and have sex with an actually person.
-Less viruses on your computer.
-Not having your Mom find your stash.
-You can spend that $39.95 a month on something else.
-Not having to try to explain where that $39.95 is going.
-Not having to deal with the awkardness of being caught.
-Not having to worry about smelling like sweat and loneliness.
-Avoid accidentally recording porn over your wedding tape and than sending the tape to a relative.

That's all I got.

On a more serious note, I don't understand how people can say the porn industry doesn't deserve the stigma it has. Along with what Eggbert said, a lot of times there's drugs involved too. It's just not a good environment to be in.

 

[blarajan]

do you know how the internet works?

 

[Coronis]

Except that this stigma exists for a good reason. There's a documentary about the whole porn industry called 60 days in porn or something, it's stupid, but basically most of the actresses go into porn not only because of money (there are other ways to get needed money, like working in a convenience store, porn isn't the inevitable fall of the poor) but because of fame and attention, and they almost always burn out at around 40 and meet and meat the sleaziest people. It ruins their lives in the long run, it's disgraceful, and it should be viewed as such because that's what it is.

Yes, because people make the same amount of money working in a corner store and in porn. There is nothing wrong with porn. It doesn't ruin your life unless you let it. How is it disgraceful? These people are working legitimately, doing something they're good at, and getting paid for it, whats wrong with that?

 

[shade]

lol paying for porn, diverman you have much to learn

 

[His Eminence Lord Poppington II]

moreover, that's a very specific price quotation XD

also eggbert your post is frightfully naive and bigoted man c'mon. watching one documentary does not automatically give you an informed opinion.

 

[Adamant Zoroark]

-Go out and have sex with an actually person.

You can do this even if you do look at porn. It's not like having a porn stash automatically prevents you from banging someone.

-Less viruses on your computer.

Get antivirus? If that doesn't work for you, time to stop using Windows.

-Not having your Mom find your stash.

Well, if you still live with your mom, ok

-You can spend that $39.95 a month on something else.

Or get it for free on the internet. A ton of websites will give you porn of anything for free.

-Not having to try to explain where that $39.95 is going.

See above.

-Not having to deal with the awkardness of being caught.

Lock your door.

-Not having to worry about smelling like sweat and loneliness.

If you really wanna prevent this, don't fap until right before you take a shower.

-Avoid accidentally recording porn over your wedding tape and than sending the tape to a relative.

If you do this you are a moron. Do people even still use tapes anyway?

Responses in bold. A lot of these are pretty ridiculous, but hey, some of your examples are pretty ridiculous.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna look at some porn before going to school.

 

[jrrrrrrr]

No one has made this argument. A) She was a porn actress not a porn distributor, so she never sold porn. B) The real argument is that being a Porn Actress is irrelevant to your teaching ability, nor is it relevant credentials.

Causing a shitstorm like this that drags on for almost a year, and having kids call her by her porn name in class is certainly relevant to someone's teaching ability. I don't understand how that is even up for debate. It is 100% impossible to teach in a situation like that.

I guess you need it for the third time in this post. No one has said this[that idk about what gays are treated like.

Except when they did:

you're too young and utterly ignorant about how openly gay people were treated 20+ years ago to really have any clue about the history I'm talking about.

Again, no one made this argument, the comparison is that there is a cultural stigma against those people that are 100% not based on reason. The comparison was drawn to outline the stigma to you, who was perpetuating it, yet claiming not to. These were what we call counterexamples, to illustrate the flawed logic and lack of reasoning behind your arguments.

That is where the comparison ends. And that's not enough to convince me that porn stars should be a legally protected class when gays don't even get that benefit in most states.

No, they say you hate all women for acting as if the things they do with their body ruin them as a person.

ok, so when your future wife comes to you and says she was in a dozen pornos with a bunch of different men and one transvestite, you can come back to this thread and tell me that you didn't look at her any differently. You can tell me how you praised her for being so progressive, and you weren't confused or upset at all. I know I would look at my future husband differently.

Why is it assumed that to be in the porn industry, she had to be down on her luck, and needed cash? While Jrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr failed miserably in trying to display the hypocrisy of those in this thread, he was not wrong in that there is hypocrisy.

Thank you for understanding. That hypocrisy exists in all of us. The people in this thread who insult me for having the nerve to suggest that porn is not a good life choice, who would NEVER tell their own family that it is a good life choice....it's not only hypocritical but its hilarious to see people try to stand up for this person as if she was fired for being gay. The mental gymnastics someone must have to do to convince themselves that this is ok would win Gold

Also an observation: I am uncertain but if I remember correctly, Deck Knight is, on the whole, referring to Ms. Halas as Tiffany Six, rather than her real name. This doesn't imply anything but it does open itself up to a slew of misogynistic jokes at the least. "She's not a person, she's done porn" etc. etc. No substance to this though, just fun shit.

That has nothing to do with misogyny, at all. Women can be made fun of without it being sexist, as surprising as that sounds! It would be just as funny to refer to a male porn star by his porn name in class.

It ruins their lives in the long run, it's disgraceful, and it should be viewed as such because that's what it is.

also eggbert your post is frightfully naive and bigoted man c'mon. watching one documentary does not automatically give you an informed opinion.

Watching a documentary and being worried about people entering an openly harmful self-destructive industry....how can that possibly be bigoted? The conditions in the porn industry are not a secret. Not wanting people to think porn is a good choice should be the default position, not the naive one.

In this thread alone, he has blatantly made shit up about Ms. Halas, defined her based on that one single thing we're talking about, and repeatedly and blatantly misinterpreted and misread what people who disagree with him have said. He keeps making claims that his opposition allegedly made... when a cursory reading of the thread would show that none of that has been said. All he's interested in is straw men, and I'm not going to waste time arguing with that. I do not even have to make an additional point about him being a "bad person" to look at this pragmatically and see that any further discussion with him is not going to go anywhere.

Claim everything I say is false, without even a shred of proof, then claim I use straw men. Say I have an attitude, then end the post by saying I can't read. At least you're not calling me sexist anymore.

 

[capefeather]

> specifically says he doesn't think the matter of the morality of porn is relevant to this thread

> is quoted, starting a discussion about the morality of porn

wat... so okay I guess this is a thing now so JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR we're now talking about porn itself? I don't want to see us going back and forth between the two topics and confusing everyone...

Anyway, isn't the term "porn" just generally referring to the portrayal of sex for the purpose of getting off? That's pretty different from specifically the "porn industry", which I guess has its problems. Still, a lot of industries rely on some form of exploitation and the risk of ruining people's lives. Can we really say that that is the fault of the product itself? Sometimes I feel that we're REALLY quick to just blame one thing or another, instead of actually pinpointing the problem that we have with X.

 

[jrrrrrrr]

> specifically says he doesn't think the matter of the morality of porn is relevant to this thread

> is quoted, starting a discussion about the morality of porn

We can talk about the morality of porn without it being a factor in our judgment. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Aristotle. Just in case this escapes anyone, it is possible to talk about something without supporting 100% everything its ever done. Just like we can talk about the morality of porn while still thinking it's a terrible idea to be in porn.

Still, a lot of industries rely on some form of exploitation and the risk of ruining people's lives. Can we really say that that is the fault of the product itself?

Yes. Like DK said, it is the most base desire, and now it is being given away for free...they have to make up costs somehow. By being sleazy and exploitative. Convincing 18-22 year olds that it's a good stepping stone when you need money, and nobody will ever find out about it, for example. It has been a constant for recorded history that people will exploit other people for sex. Even monkeys that understand the concept of currency try to get each other to sell sex (i dont wanna google that link at work but it does exist lol).

 

[capefeather]

Claim everything I say is false, without even a shred of proof, then claim I use straw men. Say I have an attitude, then end the post by saying I can't read. At least you're not calling me sexist anymore.

lol okay, if anyone else in the thread asks me to go over your multiple repeated out-of-the-ass claims about Ms. Halas, or to go over how embarrassingly you misinterpret what has been said against your arguments, then I'll do it. Until then, I'm not wasting time with someone simply insisting that they're being reasonable, because literally anyone can say that. Besides, chances are you'll just cherry-pick from THAT analysis, too. Don't think I don't know how forum drama works.

 

[jrrrrrrr]

lol okay, if anyone else in the thread asks me to go over your multiple repeated out-of-the-ass claims about Ms. Halas, or to go over how embarrassingly you misinterpret what has been said against your arguments, then I'll do it. Until then, I'm not wasting time with someone simply insisting that they're being reasonable, because literally anyone can say that. Besides, chances are you'll just cherry-pick from THAT analysis, too. Don't think I don't know how forum drama works.

Nothing I said was contradicted by news articles, give me something I said that was false. One thing. You are the one making claims without anything backing you up, I have news stories documenting her actions and the consequences that make it a trivial jump to thinking that it's not appropriate for her to teach there.

First I was a bigot, then a misogynist, then I can't understand how gays are treated, then I can't read, now I can read but I'm cherry-picking...what's next on the list?

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

He didnt say it was false he said it was unsupported or ad hominem

 

[elcheeso]

J7R, for someone who complains constantly about people putting words in his mouth, you sure do purposely go out of your way to misinterpret what people say. I say hey, you're young/ignorant and therefore don't have a fucking clue about how gay people were treated 20 years ago (because you were probably about 2 years old or so)... ergo I'm somehow telling you that you don't know how gay people are treated today (which is, incidentally, sunshine and fucking roses by comparison)? Get a clue. If parents found out about an openly gay teacher teaching their kids 20-30 years ago (during the height of the AIDS crisis in the West, ha!), most of them would've been up in arms demanding that person be fired because they're almost definitely going to put children at risk, whether it's via rape or "recruiting" or kids thinking that it's alright to be gay (BAD ROLE MODEL!). Can you see the comparison, yet? Your problem isn't not knowing about how gay people are treated today, it's that you have no sense of history and can't see the comparisons because you either don't care to or are just so spoiled by the relatively great treatment gay people get today that you don't believe any of these attitudes could've existed.

Would you prefer to live in la-la land because you only suck dicks for enjoyment and porn stars are ruining the sanctity of sex? It would just be awful if your future husband had several other people's flags planted on arsehole mountain before you got to it, I'm sure.

Also you all need to stop stereotyping the porn industry. While it's certainly more open to exploitation and abuse compared to most other industries, the majority of people involved with it aren't abused or taken advantage of. Again, more of a problem than other lines of work, but not "OMG MY DAUGHTER IS IN PORN SHE'S 100% GOING TO GET BEATEN BY PIMPS AND FORCED INTO THINGS SHE'S NOT INTO!" Also quite frankly I don't think damning the actors themselves will fix anything about the industry. You need to make things safer for them, starting by changing the attitudes people have towards them. Until porn stops being seen as something that "defiles" a man or woman, you're not going to fix anything, because they're going to be far more likely to feel too ashamed to get out of an exploitative situation or talk to people about it (assuming they're in one). Also, making Halas' entire college education useless benefits who, exactly? Maybe she can work at McDonalds for the rest of her life, but then she might interact with children and be a bad role model... oh no!

Incidentally I was going to link the tumblr of this porn star/feminist who blogs about the industry and other shit like that but I can't for the life of me find the link. It's definitely an interesting read if anyone can find it.

PS: The reason porn stars burn out at 40 (or younger) is almost entirely because our society sexualises the hell out of youth.
PPS:

I support her not being a teacher because it's 100% inarguably impossible to teach kids when they are watching you have sex in class.

Never described in any article, shit you made up. Or does making up shit not count as contradicted by news articles, like... saying that she raped one of her students, they didn't specifically say that she didn't so it counts as a legit statement, right?

Like I said before, I don't hear her complaining about the royalty checks she's going to get from this popularity spike.

You liked spouting off this one until I corrected you, which shows a real ignorance of how porn stars are paid (also, never mentioned in the articles). Truth be told, you didn't actually contradict the article that much, the problem was that you were arguing the same stupid points until someone (me in this case) brought up the judge referring to her as "deceitful" in the article, then you decided to use that as an attack on her character... which basically implies that you didn't read the article past the title to begin with and just filled in the blanks with what you think people would do. Then again, I never got the impression that contradicting the article specifically was what capefeather was referring to, anyway. Just that you like making attacks on her character/people who do porn and then saying "I am fine with people having sex for money and don't think it's immoral, I'm just not fine with it" and the like, more or less.

 

[DarkEspeon]

-Go out and have sex with an actually person.
-Less viruses on your computer.
-Not having your Mom find your stash.
-You can spend that $39.95 a month on something else.
-Not having to try to explain where that $39.95 is going.
-Not having to deal with the awkardness of being caught.
-Not having to worry about smelling like sweat and loneliness.
-Avoid accidentally recording porn over your wedding tape and than sending the tape to a relative.

That's all I got.

On a more serious note, I don't understand how people can say the porn industry doesn't deserve the stigma it has. Along with what Eggbert said, a lot of times there's drugs involved too. It's just not a good environment to be in.

The same could be said for every single entertainment industry...

 

[jrrrrrrr]

J7R, for someone who complains constantly about people putting words in his mouth, you sure do purposely go out of your way to misinterpret what people say. I say hey, you're young/ignorant and therefore don't have a fucking clue about how gay people were treated 20 years ago (because you were probably about 2 years old or so)...

If someone's gayness proved to be an overwhelming insurmountable obstacle for a teacher holding a child's attention, I would agree that it's inappropriate for them to teach that child. If the kids were calling a gay guy by their drag name, if they were watching videos of the gay teacher being fucked, if the teacher decided that a year long court case was the best way to go about the situation, if the teacher was then found to be deceitful....then it's not appropriate for them to be teaching in a public school. The things Ms Halas is being accused of are so far beyond her sexual status that it is ridiculous and offensive every single time you people make this awful comparison.

So today I learned that I know nothing about the history of how gays used to be treated. I'm just too ignorant of gay history to understand. Luckily I have you guys to tell me that people look at me like I'm a porn star, because me being gay is just like someone volunteering to have videos of them having sex passed around forever on the internet for the whole world to see. I also learned that it's okay to insult people and call them ignorant bigots simply for disagreeing with you. That will be helpful, now I can dismiss entire posts without having to analyze my own worldview. I learned that it's wrong to judge people for what they've done, because there's simply no correlation between a person's actions and their potential! You have been great in this thread elcheeso. Thank you.

Would you prefer to live in la-la land because you only suck dicks for enjoyment and porn stars are ruining the sanctity of sex? It would just be awful if your future husband had several other people's flags planted on arsehole mountain before you got to it, I'm sure.

Everybody has a sexual history. Not everybody has a sexual history that people can watch for free in a school classroom.

Originally Posted by Fat jrrrrrrr
I support her not being a teacher because it's 100% inarguably impossible to teach kids when they are watching you have sex in class.

PPS: Never described in any article, shit you made up. Or does making up shit not count as contradicted by news articles, like... saying that she raped one of her students, they didn't specifically say that she didn't so it counts as a legit statement, right?

You really think that a teacher can teach in those conditions? Really? We have many news articles saying that the kids were distracted and openly calling her by her porn name in class. We have news articles describing the ridiculously drawn out court case and appeal interfering with her work even further. We also have scientific studies backing the common sense notion that people can't learn when they're thinking about sex (especially teenage boys), and kids in general struggle when their teachers are suing. Out of everything I said, THAT'S the one example you think I made up? Keep grasping.

Just that you like making attacks on her character/people who do porn and then saying "I am fine with people having sex for money and don't think it's immoral, I'm just not fine with it" and the like, more or less.

For the last time

People are free to have sex for money on camera, just like I am free to think that's a terrible idea.

 

[Chou Toshio]

-Go out and have sex with an actually person.
dude, sex and 'bating are separate needs-- one cannot be completely satisfied by the other
-Less viruses on your computer.
for all the people who want viruses in their bodies instead. Get a mac
-Not having your Mom find your stash.
like I give a flying fuck
-You can spend that $39.95 a month on something else.
bc everyone pays for most of their poem these days
-Not having to try to explain where that $39.95 is going.
pay for your own shit on you own card?
-Not having to deal with the awkardness of being caught.
Again, why would I be embarrassed about watching porn?
-Not having to worry about smelling like sweat and loneliness.
lol what? I have never dated a girl or lived with a girlfriend and gave up on porn. Never had a gfriend that took issue w/ it either.
-Avoid accidentally recording porn over your wedding tape and than sending the tape to a relative.nice lol

That's all I got.

On a more serious note, I don't understand how people can say the porn industry doesn't deserve the stigma it has. Along with what Eggbert said, a lot of times there's drugs involved too. It's just not a good environment to be in.

 

[Ulttimaa]

-Go out and have sex with an actually person.
-Less viruses on your computer.
-Not having your Mom find your stash.
-You can spend that $39.95 a month on something else.
-Not having to try to explain where that $39.95 is going.
-Not having to deal with the awkardness of being caught.
-Not having to worry about smelling like sweat and loneliness.
-Avoid accidentally recording porn over your wedding tape and than sending the tape to a relative.

That's all I got.

On a more serious note, I don't understand how people can say the porn industry doesn't deserve the stigma it has. Along with what Eggbert said, a lot of times there's drugs involved too. It's just not a good environment to be in.

is this nigga serious

 

[Fisdunction]

-Not having your Mom find your stash.
-You can spend that $39.95 a month on something else.
-Not having to try to explain where that $39.95 is going.

 

[MildishCinccino]

-You can spend that $39.95 a month on something else.

}spending $$$ on porn

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