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The Everything NFL Thread - 2010 Season
- Thread starter DM
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I don't follow college ball, so I have no idea who you should draft. One of the hot names may not even be the answer for the Bills. The next Tom Brady might be lurking around the lower rounds or so :). A project isn't a bad thing either because that's what the Bills NEED.
I never said we don't need an upgrade, but we could do a LOT worse than Fitz. (See: Edwards, Trent, and Losman, J.P., and Holcomb, Kelly, and Van Pelt, Alex, and...)
This reeks of someone who didn't watch a Bills game all year. You only missed him having his way with the Steelers defense, being a dropped pass from winning the game and surpassing 300 yards, and also putting up 382 against the Ravens. Their pass D isn't what it used to be, but nobody looked as good against them this year as Fitz. We lost 7 or 8 games in a row by a touchdown or less and lost 3 in overtime, so don't talk that bullshit about garbage time.
I don't give a shit what an average NFL quarterback did with an amazing running game and defense to back him up; the Bills could have gone 8-8 this year if we could stop the run. When it comes down to it, VY cannot be considered an elite quarterback. He is "good" at best, none of his skills in college translate into the NFL. I'm not even going to bother going into his mental/off-the-field problems, suffice it to say he is the antithesis of a leader, a completely me-first player. We don't need a cancerous presence like that on this young, growing team.
Name one reason (aside from his W-L record) he is a clear upgrade over Fitz.
I know it's not saying much, but he just had the best statistical year of any Bills QB since Bledsoe's first season here. That's garbage? His play this year has earned him the right to be considered the starter going into next season, when the offensive line begins another season healthy and he is no longer throwing to practice squadders brought up because of injury, we can decide just how "garbage" he really is.
It's this knee-jerk mentality of certain Buffalo sports fans that really pisses me off. A TEAM DOESN'T TURN INTO A COMPETITOR OVERNIGHT. Have some fucking patience. This is a new regime, exactly what this team needed after Jauron destroyed everything, so give it another year before jumping down Nix's/Gailey's throats.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
We need to stop bringing in other people table scraps. It never worked for the New York Rangers or the Washington Redskins, and it certainly won't work here. We are already giving Shawne Merriman his last shot, we don't need to be bringing another washed up retread player to see what he has left.
Easy: a defensive difference-maker, hopefully someone who can rush the goddamned QB.
Stop following my team. Go be a Cowboys or Redskins fan, you don't have the patience it takes to be a Buffalo fan.
Actually DM, I meant McNabb to be there only to groom the young QB, not turn the franchise around. That's what they wanted him to do in Washington. His purpose in Buffalo would be different, but I understand your reluctance to want that. It was just an off-the-top thought, not really meaty. I do stand by my statement though that the Bills need a project and not a quick fix. Maybe they don't need a vet QB, just a really good QB coach?
I like that. I think a big if though is if McNabb can come down on how much he wants. I still think he is going to expect more money than we are willing to pay him (or than what he's worth, for that matter), but if we could agree on a reasonable price it would make sense. Any thoughts on who the bills should target in the draft?
EDIT: wow a lot of posts i got ninjad by. DM, if we bring in McNabb he wouldn't be a long term starter, he would be a guy who could "man the fort" until a young quarterback was ready. The thing is, im not sure he's ready to be a "man the fort" type of guy yet.
EDIT 2: oh god that list of quarterbacks in DMs post makes me so sad. Also any attempt for the Bills to win now will only end in failure and hurt the franchise in the long run. Al Davis is an example of what we would get if we wanted to win now. He always wants to win now every year, and has continually sabatoged his team for a decade trying.
And we could do a lot better than Fitz.
And did you watch that second Patriots game where he was responsible for FIVE of the seven turnovers?
VY has only had a top five defense once in his entire career (2007).The Titans' defense were dead last in 2006, 28th in 2009, and 26th this season.
The Titans were 0-6 before VY stepped in. That great run game sure did win them some games!
It seems you're stuck in 2000 and still think you can win a Super Bowl with someone like Trent Dilfer. Your fear of quarterbacks makes you look really stupid.
I don't care about stats, kid. I want wins, something Shitzpatrick has never done.
The Dolphins have the league leading sacker. What has that done for them?
LOL
Kid, I've been following the Bills since I was in diapers. I still own a Jim Kelly jersey that I got when I was a wee lad. This team hasn't been to the playoffs since the Music City Miracle. I've earned the right to be impatient.
mallett is incredible, he is a pro-style quarterback, which is why he isnt as successful in college. all he needs is like a year or two of "practice" in the big leagues and he will be a star. trust me. if you are going to judge his performance off his bowl game, its not really his fault, his passes were dead on but his recievers literally dropped the ball on him.
aaaaannnyyyyyywhooooo i was really dissappointed in my team (the broncos) this year. we did fuck all and it was frustrating to watch. imo, we should trade tebow (and maybe another guy or so) to a team like the vikings for a good reciever or so that we can produce something offensively. we got a couple of "decent" backs and a talented defense, we just cant move the goddamn ball. maybe we can draft mallett
Derek Anderson is a little harsh.
Try Byron Leftwich
Also Luck confirmed to be returning to Standford....
LOCKOUT NOW PLZ
Try Byron Leftwich
Also Luck confirmed to be returning to Standford....
LOCKOUT NOW PLZ
People need to stop idolizing Fischer for the past, he made a lot of coaching fuckups this year. The way the Titans played this season is typical of a poorly coached team. Any losing team should take Vince Young, he wins the games! Vince Young to the Panthers to revitalize the top running attack in the league? Hell yes!
If you were still a wee lad when Jim Kelly was the Quarterback, then DM is probably older than you...
I'm not usually in favor of quarterbacks leaving college early, but I'm not so sure about Luck's decision. He's turning down about $55 million guaranteed, and if a new CBA is put into place it's likely that it will include a rookie wage cap. Not to mention his coach, Harbaugh, is almost certainly going to coach in the NFL next year.
With him gone, though, there aren't many (I'd say, there aren't any) truly pro-ready quarterbacks ready to start next year. Mallett and Locker should be viewed as projects, and both (especially Mallett) need a solid offensive line to defend them. Honestly, if I was a Bills fan, I'd hope for them to take a quarterback in the second or third round. Locker is the only true top 10-15 QB pick this year, but chances are someone's going to draft/trade up for him like the Jets did for Sanchez a couple years ago simply due to the lack of quarterbacks in the league.
With him gone, though, there aren't many (I'd say, there aren't any) truly pro-ready quarterbacks ready to start next year. Mallett and Locker should be viewed as projects, and both (especially Mallett) need a solid offensive line to defend them. Honestly, if I was a Bills fan, I'd hope for them to take a quarterback in the second or third round. Locker is the only true top 10-15 QB pick this year, but chances are someone's going to draft/trade up for him like the Jets did for Sanchez a couple years ago simply due to the lack of quarterbacks in the league.
I hope Clausen makes you eat those words next year, its literally impossible to judge a QB after his rookie year... I guess you were the guy saying Peyton was horrible when he had a terrible rookie season
Tebow won you guys a game, and came just short against San Diego, and this is practically his first Pro-Games ever. He'll be well worth it within a year or two. And the Vikings wouldn't trade any of our receivers anyway, beside our defense our receivers are one of the strengths of this team, along with Peterson and Gerhart.aaaaannnyyyyyywhooooo i was really dissappointed in my team (the broncos) this year. we did fuck all and it was frustrating to watch. imo, we should trade tebow (and maybe another guy or so) to a team like the vikings for a good reciever or so that we can produce something offensively. we got a couple of "decent" backs and a talented defense, we just cant move the goddamn ball. maybe we can draft mallett
I'm just interested to see what the Titans do. ^^ As a TN native, I root for them in the AFC (but the Falcons overall, and I have since I was old enough to understand football, so it was before they were actually winning games.) The Titans have a great running game (don't give me the crap about how CJ only had 1,364 rush yards, cause he did it while having alot of under 50 yard games.) plus, Ringer is pretty good. The recievers are young and talented (Williams and Britt) and not to mention Nate Washington. The return game is getting better with Mariani.
NOW, they need a QB. Idk who they will go with, or what will happen. Idk if Moss will stay (Probably not). The Defense needs something. A dynamic CB would be nice, as Finnegan is great, and the safeties are good (Griffin is above average) The Line is FULL of great players. How many teams have at least 7 players to rotate on the D-Line? The linebackers are good, Tulloch is pretty good in coverage, and Witherspoon(sp) is a nice compliment. If they could get another LB, it wouldn't be a bad thing.
The main problems are with the lack of QB, and pass coverage.
Any thoughts?
NOW, they need a QB. Idk who they will go with, or what will happen. Idk if Moss will stay (Probably not). The Defense needs something. A dynamic CB would be nice, as Finnegan is great, and the safeties are good (Griffin is above average) The Line is FULL of great players. How many teams have at least 7 players to rotate on the D-Line? The linebackers are good, Tulloch is pretty good in coverage, and Witherspoon(sp) is a nice compliment. If they could get another LB, it wouldn't be a bad thing.
The main problems are with the lack of QB, and pass coverage.
Any thoughts?
Pretty much my thoughts about Luck...I mean, sure for some people it's not about the money, but in the end, just about everything/one can be wooed by enough...if Harbaugh goes through and signs with an NFL team, I wouldn't be surprised if Luck reconsiders also; after all, it's only January, and the draft is still in April. I mean, look at how badly Locker's value dropped after this year, compared to him being projected as a #1 or so pick last year before he decided to stay with Washington.
Bud Adams turning into Al Davis? You might say I was flabbergasted at his choosing Fisher over Young, not because VY is amazing or not-a-crybaby or anything (though he does winz da gamez...) but Fisher has done pretty much everything wrong he could have done this season. It's not like he played his part in that petty little fued as a saint and he never gave VY a fair chance from the beginning. Fisher's a dick and it's not like he's more than an average coach anyway.
Irrelevant, much?
You're trashing this guy after one season when he literally has no help on that entire offensive side of the ball... I'll say it again since he was compared to Tebow?? For some silly reason I cant imagine, wait until this guys 4-5 years into the league before you toss him aside
am I the only one who thinks that Orton is going to get traded to some team with an upstart WR corps and a half-decent defense and become the next drew brees
because jesus i was following that man like a hawk during fantasy and he is just
he really got shafted this year with denver, what can i say
because jesus i was following that man like a hawk during fantasy and he is just
he really got shafted this year with denver, what can i say
That is such a bullshit excuse. Who the hell does Sam Bradford have besides a washed up Steven Jackson?