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Discussion in 'Other Metagames' started by Relados, Aug 24, 2012.

  1. Relados

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    Originally created on Pokemon Lab by drunk Serioussss, introduced to me by Aquaaa and Corn. I don't know the full rules on this yet, so they are subject to change at some point if someone points out an error to me.

    Is LC too restricting to you? Wouldn't you like to use slightly more powerful pokemon? These problems are resolved by Tier10!

    The Rules
    • Pokemon must all be level 10
    • All pokemon must be available at level 10 (this includes evolving before or at level 10, or evolving by stone or other event, as long as it can be done by level 10)
    • All pokemon can only use moves available at level 10 (egg moves are allowed, event moves are allowed, but move tutor moves and TM/HMs are not. Heart Scale move tutor moves are allowed)
    • Sonicboom and Dragon Rage are banned
    • Pokemon normally classified as Ubers are banned.
    • Ninetales is not allowed.
    • Like other metagames, you can only use what has been released (unreleased Dream World abilities are not allowed)

    As an alternate metagame that, while similar to LC, varies in many important respects, this style gives some merit to lesser-used pokemon and moves.

    Because this metagame hasn't had much experience in fifth generation yet, it'd be nice if there could be some feedback on results, so overpowered pokemon/strategies can be evaluated.

    Allowed Pokemon (open)
    Abra
    Absol
    Accelgor
    Aerodactyl
    Alomomola
    Ambipom
    Anorith
    Arcanine
    Archen
    Aron
    Audino
    Axew
    Bagon
    Baltoy
    Barboach
    Basculin
    Beautifly
    Beedrill
    Beldum
    Bellsprout
    Bidoof
    Blissey
    Blitzle
    Bouffalant
    Bronzor
    Buizel
    Bulbasaur
    Buneary
    Burmy
    Butterfree
    Cacnea
    Carnivine
    Carvanha
    Castform
    Celebi
    Chansey
    Charmander
    Chatot
    Cherubi
    Chikorita
    Chimchar
    Chimecho
    Chinchou
    Cinccino
    Clamperl
    Clefable
    Clefairy
    Cloyster
    Combee
    Corphish
    Corsola
    Cottonee
    Cranidos
    Croagunk
    Crobat
    Cryogonal
    Cubchoo
    Cubone
    Cyndaquil
    Darumaka
    Deerling
    Deino
    Delcatty
    Delibird
    Diglett
    Ditto
    Doduo
    Dratini
    Drifloon
    Drilbur
    Drowzee
    Druddigon
    Ducklett
    Dunsparce
    Durant
    Duskull
    Dustox
    Dwebble
    Eevee
    Ekans
    Electivire
    Electrike
    Elgyem
    Emolga
    Escavalier
    Espeon
    Exeggutor
    Farfetch'd
    Ferroseed
    Finneon
    Flareon
    Foongus
    Frillish
    Froslass
    Gastly
    Geodude
    Gible
    Girafarig
    Glaceon
    Glameow
    Gliscor
    Goldeen
    Golett
    Gorebyss
    Gothita
    Grimer
    Gulpin
    Gyarados
    Heatmor
    Heracross
    Hippopotas
    Honchkrow
    Hoothoot
    Hoppip
    Horsea
    Houndour
    Huntail
    Illumise
    Jirachi
    Jolteon
    Joltik
    Kabuto
    Kangaskhan
    Karrablast
    Kecleon
    Klink
    Koffing
    Krabby
    Kricketune
    Lapras
    Larvesta
    Larvitar
    Leafeon
    Ledyba
    Lickilicky
    Lileep
    Lillipup
    Lilligant
    Litwick
    Lotad
    Lucario
    Lunatone
    Machop
    Magby
    Magikarp
    Magmortar
    Magnemite
    Makuhita
    Manaphy
    Mankey
    Mantine
    Maractus
    Mareep
    Marill
    Mawile
    Meditite
    Meowth
    Mew
    Mienfoo
    Milotic
    Miltank
    Minccinno
    Minun
    Mismagius
    Mr.Mime
    Mudkip
    Munna
    Musharna
    Natu
    Nidoran-F
    Nidoran-M
    Nincada
    Nosepass
    Numel
    Oddish
    Omanyte
    Oshawott
    Pachirisu
    Panpour
    Pansage
    Pansear
    Paras
    Patrat
    Pawniard
    Petilil
    Phanpy
    Phione
    Pidgey
    Pidove
    Pikachu
    Pineco
    Pinsir
    Piplup
    Plusle
    Poliwag
    Ponyta
    Poochyena
    Porygon-Z
    Porygon2
    Probopass
    Psyduck
    Purloin
    Qwilfish
    Raichu
    Ralts
    Rattata
    Relicanth
    Remoraid
    Rhyhorn
    Roggenrola
    Roserade
    Rotom
    Rotom-C
    Rotom-F
    Rotom-H
    Rotom-S
    Rotom-W
    Rufflet
    Sableye
    Sandile
    Sandshrew
    Scizor
    Scraggy
    Scyther
    Seedot
    Seel
    Sentret
    Seviper
    Sewaddle
    Shellos
    Shelmet
    Shieldon
    Shinx
    Shroomish
    Shuckle
    Shuppet
    Sigilyph
    Simipour
    Simisage
    Simisear
    Skarmory
    Skorupi
    Slowking
    Slugma
    Smeargle
    Smoochum
    Snivy
    Snorlax
    Snover
    Snubbull
    Solosis
    Solrock
    Spearow
    Spheal
    Spinarak
    Spinda
    Spiritomb
    Spoink
    Squirtle
    Stantler
    Starly
    Starmie
    Steelix
    Stunfisk
    Stunky
    Sudowoodo
    Sunkern
    Surskit
    Swablu
    Swinub
    Swoobat
    Tailow
    Tangrowth
    Tauros
    Teddiursa
    Tentacool
    Tepig
    Timburr
    Tirtouga
    Togekiss
    Torchic
    Torkoal
    Totodile
    Trapinch
    Treecko
    Tropius
    Trubbish
    Turtwig
    Tympole
    Tynamo
    Tyrogue
    Umbreon
    Unown
    Vanillite
    Vaporeon
    Venipede
    Venonat
    Volbeat
    Voltorb
    Vullaby
    Weavile
    Whimsicott
    Whismur
    Wigglytuff
    Wingull
    Woobat
    Wooper
    Wynaut
    Yamask
    Yanmega
    Zangoose
    Zigzagoon
    Zorua
    Zubat


    I don't know the full rules on this yet, so they are subject to change at some point if someone points out an error to me.
  2. blarajan

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    Speed Boost Torchic too broke. I'm really interested in seeing how that performs, seeing as it's only available at level 10, and thus disallowed in Little Cup.
  3. SpecsX

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    Lol Porygon-Z/2. Why aren't TM/HM and tutor moves allowed? You can teach them to low-level mons.
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    I'm a random poster who approves this message.
  5. Relados

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    That's just what I was told was the rules for this metagame - I didn't invent it.

    In all fairness, I think it's to eliminate overcentralization in this metagame, or to reflect the game situation more (you don't own many TMs or HMs early in the game, if any at all).
  6. ThisMysteriousGuy

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    Oh I remember this. This is a pain unless you know exactly what Pokemon are viable <_>
  7. SpecsX

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    That reminds me of a different metagame. The creator kept banning/unbanning things every match for a while.

    Still, you can get low-level mons postgame.
  8. Relados

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    I don't plan on banning anything unless many tests assure that something is broken.

    However, I do see your point. Perhaps it might be important to allow these things temporarily to see how they would affect the metagame.
  9. akela

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    Was wondering when this would get its own thread.

    If it can become fully evolved before level 10, expect to see it overused. Especially Arcanine and Togekiss.
  10. SpecsX

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    EVs are probably all skewed, I wonder how different the EVs are than at lvl 5 or lvl 100.
  11. Wyboth

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    This doesn't seem that much different than LC to me. The amount of moves learned between level 5 and level 10 seems negligible, but if you say that it makes a difference, then I'll take your word for it.
  12. SpecsX

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    Whoa, I'm no EV expert, just use LC EVs!
  13. akela

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    Have you ever used Togekiss, Arcanine, Exeggutor, or Raichu in LC? Wanted to use Shuckle, Ditto, Zangoose, Emolga in LC? Maybe Blissey?
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    There's a HUGE difference from LC. First off, there are far more restrictions on your movepool due to a lack of tutors and TMs (Though don't you get TM moves through breeding?). Secondly, a ton of final evolutions such as Arcanine, Raichu, Togekiss, Lucario, and Milotic can be used here since they're all obtainable at level 10.

    EDIT: Damn it, ninja'd
  15. SpecsX

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    Richu? Hell, you can use Pikachu! Not to mention Gliscor, Ninetales, Milotic, Heracross...the list goes on forever. Suddenly I really want to play this.
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    I think this is a complete list of fully-evolved pokes at lv. 10.


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    Butterfree
    Beedrill
    Raichu
    Clefable
    Ninetales
    Wigglytuff
    Arcanine
    Farfetch'd
    Cloyster
    Exeggutor
    Kangaskhan
    Starmie
    Mr. Mime
    Pinsir
    Tauros
    Lapras
    Ditto
    Vaporeon
    Jolteon
    Flareon
    Aerodactyl
    Snorlax
    Mew
    Sudowoodo
    Sunflora
    Espeon
    Umbreon
    Slowking
    Unown
    Girafarig
    Steelix
    Qwilfish
    Scizor
    Shuckle
    Heracross
    Corsola
    Delibird
    Mantine
    Skarmory
    Stantler
    Smeargle
    Miltank
    Blissey
    Beautifly
    Dustox
    Delcatty
    Sableye
    Mawile
    Plusle
    Minun
    Volbeat
    Illumise
    Torkoal
    Spinda
    Zangoose
    Seviper
    Lunatone
    Solrock
    Milotic
    Castform
    Kecleon
    Tropius
    Chimecho
    Absol
    Huntail
    Gorebyss
    Relicanth
    Luvdisc
    Regirock
    Regice
    Registeel
    Jirachi
    Kricketune
    Roserade
    Mothim
    Pachirisu
    Ambipom
    Mismagius
    Honchkrow
    Chatot
    Spiritomb
    Lucario
    Carnivine
    Lumineon
    Weavile
    Lickilicky
    Tangrowth
    Togekiss
    Yanmega
    Leafeon
    Glaceon
    Gliscor
    Porygon-Z
    Probopass
    Dusknoir
    Froslass
    Regigigas
    Phione
    Simisage
    Simisear
    Simipour
    Musharna
    Audino
    Throh
    Sawk
    Whimsicott
    Lilligant
    Basculin
    Maractus
    Sigilyph
    Cinccino
    Emolga
    Escavalier - ???
    Alomomola
    Cryogonal
    Accelgor - ???
    Stunfisk
    Druddigon
    Bouffalant
    Heatmor
    Durant
  17. Aquaaa

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    Hi I'm a random poster again and I need to say that you can also get an event Electabuzz and Magmar that you can evolve into Electivire and Magmortar however these two pokemon can only have 4 moves. Both are found at level 10 at the event and can be traded to evolve. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Japanese_Nintendo_event_Pokémon_in_2006#Electabuzz
  18. Imanalt

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    ninetales got banned a while ago, sun teams were way too strong, and it has seemed so far that hurting them by giving them only vulpix to set sun balances them
  19. Relados

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    Okay, I'll remove Ninetales, if what you say is true.
  20. akela

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    It is not stated what generation. For the most part, I doubt it matters. As long as it is obtained before or at Level 10, it is allowed.

    For example, Zangoose gets Swords Dance at Level 9 in BW. In BW2, it gets it at Level 43.
  21. Relados

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    I believe that so long as it is obtainable in the latest game at that level with that move following these rules, it can hold the move. So it is to my understanding that Zangoose is allowed Swords Dance.
  22. SpecsX

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    Indeed. I assume that even if, say, Vulpix learns Surf at Level 8 (in Emerald only) it would be legal in this tier.

    I KNOW THAT VULPIX DOES NOT LEARN SURF, IT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE.
  23. LightningLord2

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    Are Palkia, Dialga and Giratina banned for being Ubers? You can get them on Level 1 via an event in HG/SS.
  24. ThisMysteriousGuy

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    You forgot Electrode. It is available at Level 3, if you trade a Level 3 Raichu in the Pokémon Lab at Cinnabar Island in FR/LG.

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