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Type Remix! (Currently Testing Kanto Pokemon)

Discussion in 'Other Metagames' started by Pikachuun, Jun 16, 2013.


Should I add the Gen 2 Pokemon, for the sake of Drizzle?

  1. Yes

    27 vote(s)
  2. No

    6 vote(s)
  1. Pikachuun

    Pikachuun mimicry
    is a Pre-Contributor

    Dec 27, 2012
    Joim approves of the following message:
    Type Remix!

    Have you ever wondered what will happen if Pokemon get new typing combinations? New STABs or even strategies will arise. This metagame does just that by giving each Pokemon not one, but two new types! Types that the Pokemon had earlier will be rerandomized, so everyone is guaranteed a fresh, new type. I'll also give each Pokemon two new STABs, one Special and one Physical, as well as a utility and niche move for good measure. You can find them in the handy list at the bottom of this post. Of course, there will be no really special STABs like Spacial Rend, Psystrike, etc. distributed.

    For now, here are the first 151! The rest will be distributed after playing with these a bit.
    Bulbasaur: Flying/Water
    Ivysaur: Ground/Bug
    Venusaur: Bug/Ground
    Charmander: Fighting/Electric
    Charmeleon: Ghost/Ground
    Charizard: Ice/Poison
    Squirtle: Bug/Rock
    Wartortle: Ghost/Normal
    Blastoise: Bug/Rock
    Caterpie: Dragon/Normal
    Metapod: Grass/Water
    Butterfree: Ground/Steel
    Weedle: Grass/Fighting
    Kakuna: Fire/Water
    Beedrill: Psychic/Dark
    Pidgey: Grass/Water
    Pidgeotto: Electric/Poison
    Pidgeot: Poison/Ground
    Rattata: Ground/Steel
    Raticate: Dark/Fighting
    Spearow: Water/Bug
    Fearow: Dark/Water
    Ekans: Flying/Ground
    Arbok: Fire/Fighting
    Pikachu: Poison/Bug
    Raichu: Rock/Fighting
    Sandshrew: Dark/Water
    Sandslash: Electric/Fire
    Nidoran (Female): Water/Dragon
    Nidorina: Dragon/Grass
    Nidoqueen: Water/Bug
    Nidoran (Male): Dragon/Fighting
    Nidorino: Electric/Ice
    Nidoking: Rock/Electric
    Clefairy: Fire/Steel
    Clefable: Steel/Poison
    Vulpix: Ghost/Ground
    Ninetales: Dark/Normal
    Jigglypuff: Poison/Ground
    Wigglytuff: Ice/Electric
    Zubat: Fire/Dragon
    Golbat: Rock/Bug
    Oddish: Normal/Flying
    Gloom: Rock/Normal
    Vileplume: Ground/Flying
    Paras: Ground/Flying
    Parasect: Ground/Dark
    Venonat: Ground/Grass
    Venomoth: Ground/Dark
    Diglett: Ghost/Dark
    Dugtrio: Dark/Normal
    Meowth: Fighting/Dark
    Persian: Water/Poison
    Psyduck: Rock/Dragon
    Golduck: Fire/Flying
    Mankey: Fire/Rock
    Primeape: Electric/Psychic
    Growlithe: Grass/Ice
    Arcanine: Ground/Water
    Poliwag: Steel/Dragon
    Poliwhirl: Grass/Electric
    Poliwrath: Fire/Ghost
    Abra: Fighting/Bug
    Kadabra: Normal/Flying
    Alakazam: Water/Dragon
    Machop: Rock/Dark
    Machoke: Electric/Fire
    Machamp: Bug/Fire
    Bellsprout: Steel/Rock
    Weepinbel: Rock/Flying
    Victreebel: Steel/Psychic
    Tentacool: Grass/Flying
    Tentacruel: Ice/Grass
    Geodude: Electric/Flying
    Graveler: Steel/Poison
    Golem: Dragon/Fire
    Ponyta: Ice/Steel
    Rapidash: Fighting/Electric
    Slowpoke: Dark/Fire
    Slowbro: Ice/Dragon
    Magnemite: Dark/Flying
    Magneton: Dark/Grass
    Farfetch'd: Dragon/Steel
    Doduo: Dark/Steel
    Dodrio: Fire/Psychic
    Seel: Dark/Poison
    Dewgong: Bug/Fire
    Grimer: Flying/Ground
    Muk: Water/Grass
    Shellder: Electric/Fire
    Cloyster: Grass/Fire
    Gastly: Dragon/Dark
    Haunter: Dragon/Normal
    Gengar: Water/Rock
    Onix: Bug/Water
    Drowzee: Flying/Bug
    Hypno: Ice/Normal
    Krabby: Ground/Dark
    Kingler: Fire/Grass
    Voltorb: Ice/Ground
    Electrode: Ghost/Grass
    Exeggcute: Bug/Water
    Exeggutor: Fighting/Poison
    Cubone: Normal/Rock
    Marowak: Dragon/Flying
    Hitmonlee: Dark/Steel
    Hitmonchan: Water/Steel
    Lickitung: Flying/Dragon
    Koffing: Psychic/Fighting
    Weezing: Electric/Dark
    Rhyhorn: Normal/Fighting
    Rhydon: Electric/Psychic
    Chansey: Grass/Steel
    Tangela: Bug/Psychic
    Kangaskahn: Flying/Dark
    Horsea: Dragon/Dark
    Seadra: Flying/Bug
    Goldeen: Fighting/Ghost
    Seaking: Steel/Rock
    Staryu: Poison/Dragon
    Starmie: Ice/Grass
    Mr. Mime: Bug/Steel
    Scyther: Poison/Rock
    Jynx: Fighting/Flying
    Electabuzz: Water/Fighting
    Magmar: Water/Normal
    Pinsir: Flying/Dark
    Tauros: Psychic/Fire
    Magikarp: Dragon/Ice
    Gyarados: Fire/Dragon
    Lapras: Grass/Rock
    Ditto: Dragon/Grass
    Eevee: Poison/Dark
    Vaporeon: Dark/Ground
    Jolteon: Dragon/Fighting
    Flareon: Fighting/Normal
    Porygon: Bug/Dark
    Omanyte: Ground/Flying
    Omastar: Ice/Steel
    Kabuto: Flying/Ground
    Kabutops: Bug/Steel
    Aerodactyl: Fighting/Bug
    Snorlax: Bug/Electric
    Articuno: Bug/Steel
    Zapdos: Fire/Ice
    Moltres: Psychic/Electric
    Dratini: Water/Ice
    Dragonair: Fire/Rock
    Dragonite: Electric/Dark
    Mewtwo: Dragon/Flying
    Mew: Rock/Water

    And here are their new STABs!
    Normal: Extremespeed, Hyper Voice, Whirlwind, and Rapid Spin
    Fire: Flare Blitz, Fire Blast, Will-O-Wisp, and Flame Charge
    Grass: Wood Hammer, Leaf Storm, Leech Seed, and Bullet Seed
    Water: Waterfall, Surf, Soak, and Aqua Jet
    Electric: Wild Charge, Thunderbolt, Thunder Wave, and Volt Switch
    Ground: Earthquake, Earth Power, Spikes, and Bonemerang
    Poison: Gunk Shot, Sludge Wave, Toxic Spikes, and Coil
    Bug: Megahorn, Bug Buzz, Quiver Dance, and U-Turn
    Ice: Icicle Crash, Ice Beam, Haze, and Ice Shard
    Fighting: Hi Jump Kick, Aura Sphere, Bulk Up, and Drain Punch
    Psychic: Zen Headbutt, Psyshock, Trick Room, and Cosmic Power
    Flying: Brave Bird, Hurricane, Tailwind, and Air Slash
    Rock: Stone Edge, Paleo Wave, Stealth Rock, and Rock Blast
    Ghost: ShadowStrike, Shadow Ball, Destiny Bond, and Night Shade
    Dark: Crunch, Dark Pulse, Nasty Plot, and Fling
    Steel: Iron Head, Flash Cannon, Autotomize, and Gear Grind
    Dragon: Outrage, Draco Meteor, Dragon Dance, and Dragon Tail[/HIDE]

    Lastly, the clauses and rules.
    - All Standard OU Clauses and Regulations
    - Drizzle + Swift Swim: Allowed
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  2. Snaquaza

    Snaquaza tree ghost
    is a Community Contributoris a Smogon Media Contributor

    Apr 7, 2013
    wow, so we might get V-Create Haxorus
    or would you rather Water Spout ThundyT
    nah lets take Vacuum Wave Chandelure
  3. Eevee General

    Eevee General goku: im not really a fan of eevee general
    is a member of the Site Staffis a Battle Server Administratoris a Super Moderatoris a Community Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon
    Other Metas General

    Nov 18, 2009
    I take it the abilities stay the same? Defensive wise, it will be handy if something that has Water Absorb becomes a type weak to Water. Maybe Jellicent will get Ground? Fire? Speaking of which, new defensive pivots might arise based on the new typing. Imagine if Lickitung got Grass/Steel with Dragon Tail and STAB Power Whip plus its bulk.
  4. Laga

    Laga Forever Grande
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    Feb 5, 2013
    Awesome idea Pikachuun, I am sure as hell playing a match against you if it does get implemented somewhere :]
  5. toxicroaker


    May 2, 2013
    Who will get put in the dumps because of there types e.g. what if alakazam gets bug flying? Who knows till the type charts are released
  6. Infernis


    Apr 8, 2012
    I have no idea how difficult to code into the current setup it would be, but a sort of reverse hackmons would be fun. Pokemon have the same abilities and moves (and stats) that they usually do, but their types could be chosen by the user, allowing for wildly different typings to suit the sets they're using. (A better defensive typing, better STAB...)

    On the other hand, that would probably end up either confusing as hell or as centralized as Hackmons despite the variety.
  7. SpartanMalice

    SpartanMalice Ice to see you!
    is a Pre-Contributor

    Sep 27, 2010
    If kazam gets bug/flying he still won't have to worry about SR due to Magic Guard, and has overall better special stats than Volc as well.
  8. toxicroaker


    May 2, 2013
    oh yea I forgot
  9. Gerard


    Feb 16, 2011
    I love this, though I can see many types being used a lot more than others. Ex. Dragon/Fighting Haxorus, Arcanine (it gets both Outrage and Close Combat along with stuff like Morning Sun) or Ghost/Steel (to stop all those dragons), It would definitely be interesting but idk how possible it would be.
  10. lousy918


    Jun 15, 2012
    key word in op is 'rerandomized'
  11. simsims2800


    Mar 13, 2013
    That's a really good and fun idea! I can't wait to see what gets what. In fact, I might do that myself!
  12. Champion Steve

    Champion Steve

    Nov 18, 2012
    *Wishes fervently for Ghost/Steel Latias*
    So what are you going to do about any OP typings like that that come up? Also, are Uber Pokemon being allowed in or is it at OU's power level.
  13. simsims2800


    Mar 13, 2013
    Quick update on the Type Change that I'm doing just personally.

    - Ghost/Steel Crobat and Salamence. Resist ALL the things! Bulky Mence could become good with Intimidate.
    - Fighting/Dragon Cloyster. Unresisted STAB+Shell Smash? YES PLEASE.
    - Funny combos like Fire/Ice on so many things.
    - Abomasnow has no weak with Ghost/Dark.

    This meta seems like it would be really fun and the way I'm doing it makes it seem even more fun!
  14. Gerard


    Feb 16, 2011
    Did you read the post I was quoting?
  15. Eevee General

    Eevee General goku: im not really a fan of eevee general
    is a member of the Site Staffis a Battle Server Administratoris a Super Moderatoris a Community Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon
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    Nov 18, 2009
    I see you said you'll be giving them two new types, but as it happens with randomization (my own experience in making Wonkymons), if a type is given twice to the same Pokémon (like if Blissey is given Water/Water), will it just become a monotype or will another type be generated?
  16. JamesSonofBaboonzo


    Sep 5, 2012
    Anyway, this sounds cool. I look forward to hearing more about it. What are you going to do about 'mons that after their typing change have their abilities become redundant or unusable? (ie a Levitator becomes Flying type, or a Poison Heal 'mon becomes Poison or Steel type, making it impossible for them to be poisoned.) Will they get a new replacement ability so that they don't get shafted too hard, or will they just keep the one they have for the sake of simplicity?

    Edit: Also, just realized that Flareon should have an actual good physical STAB attack now. That in and of itself is cause for celebration.
  17. Pikachuun

    Pikachuun mimicry
    is a Pre-Contributor

    Dec 27, 2012
    If a typing's too OP, tell me and I'll put it up as a suspect for you! Some Ubers will also be suspected, because Torn-T and Exadrill don't get STAB Hurricane/EQ whatevers.
    Another type will be generated.
    They'll keep their ability. We have Rotom-Fan with Levitate and Flying type (on a balloon even) for goodness sakes.
    It's so beautiful, isn't it ;-;
  18. JamesSonofBaboonzo


    Sep 5, 2012
    Any idea's when the new randomized typings will come out?

    Edit: The first wave is out, so I'll start leaving some of the typings that catch my eye here.
    Clefable: Steel/Poison
    Alakazam: Water/Dragon
    Cloyster: Fire/Grass (Already have a set in mind. Shell Smash, Bullet Seed, Fire Blast/Flare Blitz, Icicle Spear/Rock Blast)
    Marowak: Dragon/Flying (Dat Outrage)
    Gyarados: Fire/Dragon
    Jolteon: Fighting/Dragon
    Flareon: Ground/Normal (STAB EQ and Facade! This is glorious day!)
  19. Pikachuun

    Pikachuun mimicry
    is a Pre-Contributor

    Dec 27, 2012
    The first 151 have come out. I'm working on the others; the names are the most daunting part...
  20. The Reptile

    The Reptile viva la darmz
    is a Pre-Contributor

    Sep 16, 2011
    Assuming that the 2 STAB moves you give it are Dragon Pulse and Aura Sphere/Focus Blast, this is going to be on hell of a pokemon. It also has Volt Switch for maximum shenanigans. This is going to be very interesting.

    Well, this is rather interesting. On one hand, no more Fire STAB, only Pseudo STAB. On the other hand, it's not weak to SR, and Normal / Dark / Fire is pretty decent on the offensive side. 4x weakness to Fighting sucks though.

    Oh shit son. Water / Dragon Alakazam is here to wreck shit in Rain teams. LO boosted Water STAB in the rain is going to be insane. Meanwhile, Focus Sash is still going to be neat. Overall, pretty cool

    Maybe it'll be decent now that it has a very nice typing? Probably not, but one can dream.

    Water/Rock with Levitate. That's neat. Too bad best special Rock STAB will be Power Gem / Hidden Power. Oh well.
  21. Pikachuun

    Pikachuun mimicry
    is a Pre-Contributor

    Dec 27, 2012
    Jolteon actually doesn't get Dragon Pulse... but DRACO FRICKIN METEOR instead. Same with Alakazam. Those might be the first two to suspect!

    EDIT: I gave them DPulse, because a bunch of Pokemon would be better off with more powerful or more accurate moves (Balancing them out)
  22. Vileman

    Vileman Human, after all
    is a Tiering Contributor

    Sep 28, 2010
    Watch out for the mighty dragon caterpie!
    Looks like a fun metagame, looking forward to play it when its done~
  23. The Reptile

    The Reptile viva la darmz
    is a Pre-Contributor

    Sep 16, 2011
    Welp, I do fear that they might be broken, especially Jolteon since it's already a a hit-and-run pokemon. I think that

    Volt Switch / Draco Meteor / Fighting STAB / HP Fire

    Will become the standard. Probably Specs.
  24. Pikachuun

    Pikachuun mimicry
    is a Pre-Contributor

    Dec 27, 2012
    I thought this too when coming up with a special alternative, so I decided to use a move from CAP called Paleo Wave. It's basically a better Power Gem, with a chance to lower Attack for good measure. I also put all STABs a Pokemon will get in the OP by type, so be sure to check it out!
  25. JamesSonofBaboonzo


    Sep 5, 2012
    I feel like if we are changing types and expanding movepools, it would make sense to give the 'mons all of the STAB moves that are learned by just about all other 'mons of that same type in the regular game. Or in other words, since about all Dragon types learn Dragon Pulse, Draco Meteor, Outrage, etc, all new Dragon types in this mod should get those moves too. I may be missing a reason why just giving them one move is better, but this way makes more sense to me.

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