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Ubers CCAT 2: Runway is Clear, You are Free to Land [Step 4 - Playtesting]

Discussion in 'BW Ubers' started by bojangles, Feb 10, 2012.

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What's the next teammate?

Poll closed May 16, 2012.
  1. Jirachi

    12.5%
  2. Cobalion

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Darkrai

    12.5%
  4. Blaziken

    50.0%
  5. Deoxys-A

    12.5%
  6. Choice Scarf Heatran

    12.5%
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  1. ZetoTarken

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    Except Kyurem-W/B's ability becomes Turboblaze/Teravolt so no, it doesn't stop Fusion Flare
  2. mtr

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    No SR makes me want to cry, but I'll do my part in playing the team.

    If I ever play it for real I'm using Support Groudon though.
  3. Bossness

    Bossness

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    I mentioned defensive Groudon before. BTW, just between you and me, I run a support groudon with massive speed creep(48 evs) and substitute+swords dance. Swords dance as Giratina switches in and use substitute as it will-O-wisps. Then proceed to swords dance and demolish one of their pokemon. If its using roar or something, Xatu walls it. Dragon Tail from Giratina doesnt even 3HKO the substitute.
  4. mtr

    mtr

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    I don't get it.

    NPRai with Dark Pulse/Focus Blast outspeeds and derps on everyone. For that to happen to a non-stall team is kinda sad. On a similar note, we have slight Mewtwo problems too, but I guess Waterceus in Sun does fine against that by Para'ing it.

    In general, for an offensive team, it's too slow to function IMO. I think we should Scarf Terrakion as a placeholder. Hell, I don't actually remember exploiting Sub or SD in any meaningful way during our playtesting, so at least with a Scarf we can avoid getting 6-0'd by Darkrai.
  5. Bossness

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    Did you know? We have a Blaziken on the team? After Protect, it outspeeds and KOs both Mewtwo and Darkrai. BTW I updated the team and I use Multiscale Double Status Lugia in place of Terrakion and Latias in place of Arceus water(i use the standard evs from gen 4). WIth this all out team's problems are solved. BTW I use a fast Groudon with Dragon Tail, Fire Punch, Earthquake and Swords Dance. Try it out.
  6. Bossness

    Bossness

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    I dont know if anyone is still interested in this. I changed the team somewhat. Its been working well so far.

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    Reshiram @ Life Orb
    Trait: Turboblaze
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature
    - Substitute
    - Roost
    - Blue Flare
    - Dragon Pulse
    Groudon @ Life Orb
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Toxic
    - Fire Punch
    - Earthquake
    - Stone Edge
    Arceus-Water @ Splash Plate
    Trait: Multitype
    EVs: 252 HP / 200 SDef / 56 Spd
    Calm Nature
    - Recover
    - Ice Beam
    - Thunder Wave
    - Roar
    Xatu @ Light Clay
    Trait: Magic Bounce
    EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SDef
    Careful Nature
    - Light Screen
    - Reflect
    - Roost
    - U-turn
    Genesect @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Download
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SAtk
    Hasty Nature
    - Flamethrower
    - U-turn
    - Ice Beam
    - Bug Buzz
    Terrakion @ Life Orb
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Substitute
    - Swords Dance
    - Stone Edge
    - Close Combat

    If anyone wants to try it, feel free to do so. Any questions are welcome.
  7. Furai

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    Seems like we are taking this to BW2 aren't we? Well, then the first obvious thing is Latias over Water Arceus. Latias obviously outclasses Arceus as she can take on ALL Kyogre variants. The addition of Soul Dew is also really really great. And then, I definitely agree that we put Choice Scarf on our Terrakion. Patches up Rayquaza and Extreme Killer weakness, while also putting Scarf Mence in check. Also deals better against Darkrai, which can be huge. Genesect might work here, but I am not too sure over who. We could switch it over Terrakion, but Terrakion checks Extreme Killer much better.
  8. TrollFreak

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    Yea, so I've tested this team a while back, and I do agree using Scarfed Terrakion is WAYYYY better than using a Life Orb one. Also, while I haven't tried yet, using Latias is also another good idea, as it does keep Ogre in check better than Water Arceus. idk about Genesect yet if we add Scarfed Terrakion, but I'll give it a spin and come back w/ results
  9. Bossness

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    Please god no. Water Arceus has been able to stop Reshiram, Rayquaza and Kyurem-W from killing our team and it also provides paralysis support. BTW the genesect in the "hide" in my last post can handle Darkrai well. Remember that we have no hazards so we need the power from Life Orb to allow Terrakion to OHKO Arceus. I replaced Blaziken with Genesect because Blaziken stacked typings with Terrakion and Reshiram while only revenging Darkrai and Mewtwo which Physically based scarf genesect can do with either an attack boost or special attack boost. Physical Genesect also tears off 52-62% of Kyogre's health. BTW can someone test my team from my last post's hide tags and provide me some feedback? I am using this team and am currently at no 15 in PS.(not that the ladder ranking means anything).
    P.S. I am not being defiant or anything. I am open to changes made to the team.

    EDIT: Log featuring my team in the "show" tag in my previous post. Notice that Water-Arceus walls Kyurem-W and provides paralysis support which latias isnt suited for:

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    Pato7 joined.
    Anikrahman1995 joined.
    Format: Ubers
    Rated battle
    Rule: Sleep Clause
    Rule: Species Clause
    Rule: OHKO Clause
    Rule: Evasion Clause
    Anikrahman1995's team:
    Reshiram / Groudon / Arceus-* / Xatu / Genesect / Terrakion
    Pato7's team:
    Ho-Oh / Arceus-* / Kyurem-White / Groudon / Dialga / Mewtwo
    Anikrahman1995: i played badly last time
    Inactive players will forfeit in 150 seconds.
    The restart or kick was interrupted by activity.
    Battle between Pato7 and Anikrahman1995 started!
    Pato7 sent out Kyurem-White!
    Anikrahman1995 sent out Genesect!
    Genesect's Download raised its Attack!
    The foe's Kyurem-White is radiating a blazing aura!
    Turn 1
    Pato7: youll play badly again
    Ultimate Champion joined.
    Genesect used U-turn!
    The foe's Kyurem-White lost 45% of its health!
    Anikrahman1995 called Genesect back!
    Anikrahman1995 sent out Arceus-Water!
    The foe's Kyurem-White used Draco Meteor!
    Arceus-Water lost 69% of its health!
    The foe's Kyurem-White's Special Attack harshly fell!
    Turn 2
    Arceus-Water used Recover!
    Arceus-Water regained health!
    The foe's Kyurem-White used Draco Meteor!
    The attack of the foe's Kyurem-White missed!
    Turn 3
    Pato7 called Kyurem-White back!
    Pato7 sent out Dialga!
    The foe's Dialga is exerting its pressure!
    Arceus-Water used Thunder Wave!
    The foe's Dialga was paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
    Turn 4
    Arceus-Water used Recover!
    Arceus-Water regained health!
    The foe's Dialga is paralyzed! It can't move!
    Turn 5
    The foe's Dialga is paralyzed! It can't move!
    Arceus-Water used Roar!
    Turn 6
    Pato7 called Arceus back!
    Pato7 sent out Groudon!
    The foe's Groudon's Drought intensified the sun's rays!
    Arceus-Water used Thunder Wave!
    It doesn't affect the foe's Groudon...
    Turn 7
    Arceus-Water used Ice Beam!
    It's super effective! The foe's Groudon lost 45% of its health!
    The foe's Groudon used Thunder Wave!
    Arceus-Water was paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
    The foe's Groudon restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 8
    Anikrahman1995 called Arceus-Water back!
    Anikrahman1995 sent out Xatu!
    The foe's Groudon used Earthquake!
    It doesn't affect Xatu...
    The foe's Groudon restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 9
    Pato7 called Groudon back!
    Pato7 sent out Dialga!
    The foe's Dialga is exerting its pressure!
    Xatu used U-turn!
    It's not very effective... The foe's Dialga lost 4% of its health!
    Anikrahman1995 called Xatu back!
    Anikrahman1995 sent out Terrakion!
    The foe's Dialga restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 10
    Terrakion used Close Combat!
    It's super effective! The foe's Dialga lost 100% of its health!
    Terrakion's Defense fell!
    Terrakion's Special Defense fell!
    Terrakion lost some of its HP!
    The foe's Dialga fainted!
    Pato7 sent out Mewtwo!
    The foe's Mewtwo is exerting its pressure!
    Turn 11
    Anikrahman1995 called Terrakion back!
    Anikrahman1995 sent out Arceus-Water!
    The foe's Mewtwo used Aura Sphere!
    Arceus-Water lost 15% of its health!
    Turn 12
    Pato7 called Mewtwo back!
    Pato7 sent out Groudon!
    Arceus-Water is paralyzed! It can't move!
    The foe's Groudon restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 13
    Anikrahman1995 called Arceus-Water back!
    Anikrahman1995 sent out Xatu!
    The foe's Groudon used Stealth Rock!
    The foe's Groudon's Stealth Rock was bounced back by Magic Bounce!
    Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
    The foe's Groudon restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 14
    Xatu used Light Screen!
    Light Screen raised your team's special defense!
    The foe's Groudon used Stone Edge!
    It's super effective! Xatu lost 81% of its health!
    The foe's Groudon restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 15
    Xatu used Reflect!
    Reflect raised your team's defense!
    The foe's Groudon used Earthquake!
    It doesn't affect Xatu...
    The foe's Groudon restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 16
    Pato7 called Groudon back!
    Pato7 sent out Ho-Oh!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Ho-Oh!
    Xatu used Roost!
    Xatu regained health!
    The foe's Ho-Oh restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 17
    The foe's Ho-Oh used Sacred Fire!
    Xatu lost 46% of its health!
    Xatu used U-turn!
    It's not very effective... The foe's Ho-Oh lost 3% of its health!
    Anikrahman1995 called Xatu back!
    Anikrahman1995 sent out Groudon!
    The foe's Ho-Oh restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 18
    Groudon used Stone Edge!
    It's super effective! The foe's Ho-Oh lost 59% of its health!
    Groudon lost some of its HP!
    The foe's Ho-Oh fainted!
    Pato7 sent out Kyurem-White!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Kyurem-White!
    The foe's Kyurem-White is radiating a blazing aura!
    Turn 19
    Anikrahman1995: is anyone watching this?
    Anikrahman1995 called Groudon back!
    Anikrahman1995 sent out Arceus-Water!
    The foe's Kyurem-White used Draco Meteor!
    Arceus-Water lost 37% of its health!
    The foe's Kyurem-White's Special Attack harshly fell!
    Turn 20
    Pato7: nope
    Pato7 called Kyurem-White back!
    Pato7 sent out Groudon!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Groudon!
    Arceus-Water used Ice Beam!
    It's super effective! The foe's Groudon lost 46% of its health!
    The foe's Groudon restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 21
    The foe's Groudon used Stone Edge!
    The attack of the foe's Groudon missed!
    Arceus-Water used Recover!
    Arceus-Water regained health!
    The foe's Groudon restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Your team's light screen wore off!
    Turn 22
    Anikrahman1995 called Arceus-Water back!
    Anikrahman1995 sent out Xatu!
    The foe's Groudon used Stone Edge!
    It's super effective! Xatu lost 22% of its health!
    Xatu fainted!
    The foe's Groudon restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Your team's reflect wore off!
    Anikrahman1995 sent out Reshiram!
    Reshiram is radiating a blazing aura!
    Turn 23
    Reshiram used Blue Flare!
    The foe's Groudon lost 59% of its health!
    Reshiram lost some of its HP!
    The foe's Groudon fainted!
    Anikrahman1995: told ya
    Pato7 sent out Arceus!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Arceus!
    Turn 24
    Anikrahman1995: i am at no 8
    The foe's Arceus used Earthquake!
    It's super effective! Reshiram lost 70% of its health!
    Reshiram used Blue Flare!
    The foe's Arceus lost 88% of its health!
    Reshiram lost some of its HP!
    The foe's Arceus fainted!
    Anikrahman1995: bad move
    Pato7 sent out Mewtwo!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Mewtwo!
    The foe's Mewtwo is exerting its pressure!
    Turn 25
    The foe's Mewtwo used Psystrike!
    Reshiram lost 10% of its health!
    Reshiram fainted!
    The foe's Mewtwo restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Anikrahman1995 sent out Genesect!
    Genesect's Download raised its Special Attack!
    Turn 26
    Genesect used Bug Buzz!
    It's super effective! The foe's Mewtwo lost 94% of its health!
    The foe's Mewtwo fainted!
    Pato7 forfeited.
    Anikrahman1995 won the battle!
    Ladder updating...
    Pato7's rating: 1690 → 1686
    (-12 for losing, +8 from bonus pool)
    Anikrahman1995's rating: 1921 → 1925
    (+4 for winning)
    Pato7 left.


    EDIT2: This team just beat the no 1 user on the PO ladder - Xclus|Zoro.
    Here is the replay followed by the log. http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Shishu-vs-XclusZoro--2012-08-17-private356408326

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    Battle between Shishu and Xclus|Zoro started!

    Tier: Wifi Ubers
    Mode: Singles
    Variation: +29, -3
    Rule: Rated
    Rule: Sleep Clause
    Rule: Species Clause
    Rule: Wifi Battle

    Your team: Reshiram / Groudon / Arceus-Water / Xatu / Genesect / Terrakion
    Opponent's team: Deoxys-S / Mewtwo / Arceus / Giratina-O / Palkia / Terrakion

    Shishu sent out Xatu!
    Xclus|Zoro sent out Obey!! (Giratina-O)
    Crescendo is watching the battle.
    Crescendo stopped watching the battle.

    Start of turn 1
    Shishu called Xatu back!
    Shishu sent out Arceus-Water!

    The foe's Obey! used Substitute!
    The foe's Obey! made a substitute!

    Start of turn 2
    Arceus-Water used Roar!
    The foe's Red Bull was dragged out!

    Start of turn 3
    Xclus|Zoro called Red Bull back!
    Xclus|Zoro sent out Pearl! (Palkia)

    The foe's Pearl is exerting its Pressure!
    Arceus-Water used Thunder Wave!
    The foe's Pearl is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

    Start of turn 4
    Arceus-Water used Ice Beam!
    The foe's Pearl lost 23% of its health!

    The foe's Pearl used Spacial Rend!
    Arceus-Water lost 127 HP! (28% of its health)

    Start of turn 5
    Xclus|Zoro called Pearl back!
    Xclus|Zoro sent out Mewtwo!

    The foe's Mewtwo is exerting its Pressure!
    Arceus-Water used Thunder Wave!
    The foe's Mewtwo is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

    Start of turn 6
    Arceus-Water used Ice Beam!
    The foe's Mewtwo lost 25% of its health!

    The foe's Mewtwo used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Mewtwo's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Mewtwo's Sp. Def. rose!

    Start of turn 7
    The foe's Mewtwo used Aura Sphere!
    Arceus-Water lost 143 HP! (32% of its health)
    The foe's Mewtwo is hurt by its Life Orb!

    Arceus-Water used Roar!
    The foe's Red Bull was dragged out!

    Start of turn 8
    Shishu called Arceus-Water back!
    Shishu sent out Xatu!

    The foe's Red Bull used Close Combat!
    It's not very effective...
    Xatu lost 60 HP! (17% of its health)
    The foe's Red Bull's Defense fell!
    The foe's Red Bull's Sp. Def. fell!

    Start of turn 9
    Xclus|Zoro called Red Bull back!
    Xclus|Zoro sent out Obey!! (Giratina-O)

    Xatu used U-turn!
    It's not very effective...
    The foe's Obey! lost 4% of its health!
    Shishu called Xatu back!
    Shishu sent out Arceus-Water!

    Start of turn 10
    Arceus-Water used Recover!
    Arceus-Water regained health!

    The foe's Obey! used Dragon Tail!
    Arceus-Water lost 112 HP! (25% of its health)
    Xatu was dragged out!

    Start of turn 11
    The foe's Obey! used Shadow Sneak!
    It's super effective!
    Xatu lost 192 HP! (57% of its health)
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK is watching the battle.

    Xatu used Reflect!
    Reflect raised Shishu's team defense!

    Start of turn 12
    Shishu called Xatu back!
    Shishu sent out Arceus-Water!
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: :o

    The foe's Obey! used Shadow Sneak!
    Arceus-Water lost 36 HP! (8% of its health)

    Xclus|Zoro: a xatu :(
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: get that decay!
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: :(
    Xclus|Zoro: AARGH

    Start of turn 13
    Arceus-Water used Recover!
    Arceus-Water regained health!

    The foe's Obey! used Earthquake!
    Arceus-Water lost 56 HP! (12% of its health)

    Start of turn 14
    Arceus-Water used Ice Beam!
    It's super effective!
    A critical hit!
    The foe's Obey! lost 67% of its health!

    The foe's Obey! used Earthquake!
    Arceus-Water lost 55 HP! (12% of its health)

    Start of turn 15
    The foe's Obey! used Shadow Sneak!
    Arceus-Water lost 36 HP! (8% of its health)

    Arceus-Water used Ice Beam!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Obey! lost 2% of its health!
    The foe's Obey! fainted!

    Xclus|Zoro sent out uSain bolt! (Deoxys-S)

    The foe's uSain bolt is exerting its Pressure!

    Start of turn 16
    Shishu called Arceus-Water back!
    Shishu sent out Xatu!

    The foe's uSain bolt used Fire Punch!
    Xatu lost 44 HP! (13% of its health)

    Start of turn 17
    Shishu called Xatu back!
    Shishu sent out Arceus-Water!

    The foe's uSain bolt used Fire Punch!
    It's not very effective...
    Arceus-Water lost 14 HP! (3% of its health)

    Start of turn 18
    The foe's uSain bolt used Fire Punch!
    It's not very effective...
    Arceus-Water lost 16 HP! (3% of its health)

    Arceus-Water used Thunder Wave!
    The foe's uSain bolt is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

    Shishu's reflect wore off!
    Xclus|Zoro: AARGH

    Start of turn 19
    Shishu called Arceus-Water back!
    Shishu sent out Xatu!

    The foe's uSain bolt used Stealth Rock!
    The foe's uSain bolt's Stealth Rock was bounced back by Magic Mirror!
    Pointed stones float in the air around Xclus|Zoro's team!

    Xclus|Zoro: fml

    Start of turn 20
    Xatu used Roost!
    Xatu landed on the ground!
    Xatu regained health!

    The foe's uSain bolt used Fire Punch!
    Xatu lost 76 HP! (22% of its health)

    Xclus|Zoro: who uses xatu anyways :(
    Shishu: me
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: lol
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: i know a guy called x=spin who uses it
    Xclus|Zoro: HE FUCKS WITH MY WHOLE TEAM
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: he is so hard to face
    Shishu: i am gonna post this on the smogon forums
    Xclus|Zoro: do it
    Xclus|Zoro: it's a good team
    Shishu: btw i am not a noob
    Xclus|Zoro: can't remember being trolled so hard
    Xclus|Zoro: no
    [TeamNeo]Pavakokk is watching the battle.
    Shishu: i was no 2 before
    Xclus|Zoro: you play too well for that

    Start of turn 21
    Xclus|Zoro called uSain bolt back!
    Xclus|Zoro sent out ALLAH!! (Arceus)
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's ALLAH!!

    Xatu used Roost!
    Xatu landed on the ground!
    Xatu regained health!
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: shishu

    Shishu: but didnt get to no 1 because i was scared of hax
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: is this your main laddering?
    Shishu: you muslim?
    Shishu: no
    Shishu: this is an alt
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: okay
    Shishu: just to test this team
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: may i know your main?

    Start of turn 22
    The foe's ALLAH! used Shadow Claw!
    It's super effective!
    Xatu lost 164 HP! (49% of its health)

    Xatu used U-turn!
    The foe's ALLAH! lost 9% of its health!
    Shishu called Xatu back!
    Shishu sent out Terrakion!

    Xclus|Zoro: er
    Shishu: testanik
    Shishu: anikrahman
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: aniK!
    Shishu: bossness
    Xclus|Zoro: oh
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: it's me tape
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: :L

    Start of turn 23
    Xclus|Zoro called ALLAH! back!
    Xclus|Zoro sent out uSain bolt! (Deoxys-S)
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's uSain bolt!

    The foe's uSain bolt is exerting its Pressure!
    Terrakion used Close Combat!
    It's not very effective...
    The foe's uSain bolt lost 64% of its health!
    Terrakion's Defense fell!
    Terrakion's Sp. Def. fell!
    Terrakion is hurt by its Life Orb!

    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: it's been ages since i've seen you lol
    Xclus|Zoro: WUT
    Xclus|Zoro: lo
    Shiny|Ladder is watching the battle.
    [Hero]SkyhawĸK: LO rakion? :o

    Start of turn 24
    Terrakion used Substitute!
    Terrakion made a substitute!

    The foe's uSain bolt is paralyzed! It can't move!

    Shishu: yeah
    Xclus|Zoro: Oh great
    Shiny|Ladder stopped watching the battle.

    Start of turn 25
    Terrakion used Swords Dance!
    Terrakion's Attack sharply rose!

    The foe's uSain bolt used Stealth Rock!
    Pointed stones float in the air around Shishu's team!

    Start of turn 26
    Terrakion used Close Combat!
    It's not very effective...
    The foe's uSain bolt lost 23% of its health!
    The foe's uSain bolt fainted!
    Terrakion's Defense fell!
    Terrakion's Sp. Def. fell!
    Terrakion is hurt by its Life Orb!

    Xclus|Zoro sent out Red Bull! (Terrakion)
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Red Bull!
    Gtfo is watching the battle.

    terra01 is watching the battle.
    Shishu: nobody can deny the effectiveness of this when i tell everyone that i have beaten you, i mean you are no 1 on the ladder

    Start of turn 27
    The foe's Red Bull used Close Combat!
    It's super effective!
    Terrakion's substitute faded!
    The foe's Red Bull's Defense fell!
    The foe's Red Bull's Sp. Def. fell!

    Terrakion used Close Combat!
    It's super effective!
    A critical hit!
    The foe's Red Bull lost 93% of its health!
    The foe's Red Bull fainted!
    Terrakion's Defense fell!
    Terrakion's Sp. Def. fell!
    Terrakion is hurt by its Life Orb!

    Xclus|Zoro sent out ALLAH!! (Arceus)
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's ALLAH!!

    Start of turn 28
    Shishu called Terrakion back!
    Shishu sent out Groudon!
    Pointed stones dug into Groudon!

    Groudon's Drought intensified the sun's rays!
    The foe's ALLAH! used Earthquake!
    Groudon lost 86 HP! (25% of its health)

    The sunlight is strong!

    Start of turn 29
    The foe's ALLAH! used Swords Dance!
    The foe's ALLAH!'s Attack sharply rose!

    Groudon used Earthquake!
    The foe's ALLAH! lost 59% of its health!
    Groudon is hurt by its Life Orb!

    The sunlight is strong!

    Start of turn 30
    The foe's ALLAH! used ExtremeSpeed!
    Groudon lost 200 HP! (58% of its health)
    Groudon fainted!

    The sunlight is strong!
    Shishu sent out Genesect!
    Pointed stones dug into Genesect!

    Genesect's Download activates!
    Genesect's Sp. Att. rose!

    Start of turn 31
    The foe's ALLAH! used ExtremeSpeed!
    It's not very effective...
    Genesect lost 136 HP! (48% of its health)

    Genesect used U-turn!
    The foe's ALLAH! lost 6% of its health!
    The foe's ALLAH! fainted!
    Shishu: good game
    Xclus|Zoro: yep
    Xclus|Zoro: fml decay :(
    Shishu called Genesect back!
    Shishu sent out Reshiram!
    Pointed stones dug into Reshiram!

    Reshiram has Turboblaze!

    The sunlight is strong!
    Xclus|Zoro: won't lose anything i guess
    Xclus|flamZ alt is watching the battle.
    Xclus|Zoro: just get nothing back either
    Xclus|Zoro sent out Pearl! (Palkia)
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Pearl!

    The foe's Pearl is exerting its Pressure!

    Start of turn 32
    Reshiram used Dragon Pulse!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Pearl's Haban Berry weakened Dragon Pulse's power!
    The foe's Pearl lost 64% of its health!
    The foe's Pearl fainted!
    Reshiram is hurt by its Life Orb!

    The sunlight is strong!
    Xclus|Zoro sent out Mewtwo!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Mewtwo!

    The foe's Mewtwo is exerting its Pressure!

    Start of turn 33
    Reshiram used Dragon Pulse!
    Gtfo stopped watching the battle.
    The foe's Mewtwo lost 52% of its health!
    The foe's Mewtwo fainted!
    Reshiram is hurt by its Life Orb!
    Xclus|flamZ alt stopped watching the battle.

    Shishu won the battle!
    Xclus|Zoro: Congratulations!

    The window was disabled due to one of the players closing the battle window.


    Haxy match vs Furai:

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    Furai joined.
    Anikrahman1995 joined.
    Format: Ubers
    Rule: Sleep Clause
    Rule: Species Clause
    Rule: OHKO Clause
    Rule: Evasion Clause
    Anikrahman1995's team:Reshiram / Groudon / Arceus-* / Xatu / Genesect / Terrakion
    Furai's team:Darkrai / Wobbuffet / Kyurem-Black / Scizor / Dialga / Arceus-*
    Furai: nah you might win
    Furai: this team hates paralysis
    Furai: so fucking bad hahahahaha
    Anikrahman1995: how long have you been in competitive battling?
    Battle between Furai and Anikrahman1995 started!


    Furai sent out Dialga!

    Anikrahman1995 sent out Xatu!
    The foe's Dialga is exerting its pressure!
    Turn 1

    Furai: uhhh
    Furai: 2 years i think

    The foe's Dialga used Draco Meteor!
    The attack of the foe's Dialga missed!

    Xatu used Light Screen!
    Light Screen raised your team's special defense!
    Turn 2

    Furai: well fuck
    Furai: lol
    Anikrahman1995: was that specs?
    Furai: LO
    Furai: that was a kill lol
    Anikrahman1995: ok

    The foe's Dialga used Thunder!
    It's super effective! Xatu lost 74% of its health!
    The foe's Dialga lost some of its HP!

    Xatu used U-turn!
    It's not very effective... The foe's Dialga lost 5% of its health!

    Anikrahman1995 called Xatu back!

    Anikrahman1995 sent out Groudon!
    Groudon's Drought intensified the sun's rays!
    Turn 3

    Furai: bs
    Furai: draco missing
    Furai: and thunder hitting
    Furai: bsbsbsbsbsbs
    Furai: MUST GO CHECK GROUDON SET
    Anikrahman1995: lol
    Anikrahman1995: offensive groudon
    Furai: o that's a weird set.

    Groudon used Earthquake!
    It's super effective! The foe's Dialga lost 85% of its health!
    Groudon lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Dialga fainted!

    Furai sent out Darkrai!
    Turn 4


    The foe's Darkrai used Substitute!
    The foe's Darkrai put in a substitute!
    The foe's Darkrai lost 25% of its health!

    Groudon used Earthquake!
    The foe's Darkrai's substitute faded!
    Groudon lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Darkrai restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 5


    Anikrahman1995 called Groudon back!

    Anikrahman1995 sent out Xatu!

    The foe's Darkrai used Dark Void!
    The foe's Darkrai's Dark Void was bounced back by Magic Bounce!
    The foe's Darkrai fell asleep!

    The foe's Darkrai restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 6

    Furai: uhhhhhhhh fuck
    Furai: i was afraid of that lol

    Furai called Darkrai back!

    Furai sent out Scizor!

    Xatu used U-turn!
    It's not very effective... The foe's Scizor lost 7% of its health!

    Anikrahman1995 called Xatu back!

    Anikrahman1995 sent out Reshiram!
    Reshiram is radiating a blazing aura!
    Turn 7


    Reshiram used Substitute!
    Reshiram put in a substitute!
    Reshiram lost 25% of its health!

    The foe's Scizor used U-turn!
    It's not very effective... Reshiram's substitute faded!

    Furai called Scizor back!

    Furai sent out Arceus!
    Turn 8

    Anikrahman1995: scizor is strong
    Furai: ye

    The foe's Arceus used Earthquake!
    It's super effective! Reshiram lost 63% of its health!

    Reshiram used Blue Flare!
    The foe's Arceus lost 100% of its health!
    Reshiram lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Arceus fainted!

    Your team's light screen wore off!

    Furai sent out Scizor!
    Turn 9

    Anikrahman1995: but arceus unboosted is weak

    Anikrahman1995 called Reshiram back!

    Anikrahman1995 sent out Arceus-Water!

    The foe's Scizor used Bullet Punch!
    It's not very effective... Arceus-Water lost 11% of its health!
    Turn 10

    Anikrahman1995: not scizor bait unlike latias

    Furai called Scizor back!

    Furai sent out Wobbuffet!

    Arceus-Water used Thunder Wave!
    The foe's Wobbuffet was paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
    Turn 11

    Furai: woooooo

    The foe's Wobbuffet is paralyzed! It can't move!

    Arceus-Water used Roar!
    Turn 12

    Furai: bs
    Furai: i was encoring that

    Arceus-Water used Thunder Wave!
    The foe's Scizor was paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

    The foe's Scizor used U-turn!
    Arceus-Water lost 38% of its health!
    Anikrahman1995: wouldnt matter much

    Furai called Scizor back!

    Furai sent out Wobbuffet!
    Turn 13

    Furai: would
    Furai: because then
    Furai: you'd be forced to twave me
    Furai: and i would safeguard
    Anikrahman1995: i know
    Furai: !

    The foe's Wobbuffet used Encore!
    Arceus-Water received an encore!

    Arceus-Water used Thunder Wave!
    The foe's Wobbuffet is already paralyzed.
    Turn 14

    Anikrahman1995: oh

    Arceus-Water used Thunder Wave!
    The foe's Wobbuffet is already paralyzed.

    The foe's Wobbuffet used Safeguard!
    The foe's team became cloaked in a mystical veil!
    Turn 15


    Furai called Wobbuffet back!

    Furai sent out Kyurem-Black!
    The foe's Kyurem-Black is radiating a bursting aura!

    Arceus-Water used Thunder Wave!

    Arceus-Water's encore ended!
    Turn 16


    Anikrahman1995 called Arceus-Water back!

    Anikrahman1995 sent out Xatu!

    The foe's Kyurem-Black used Hone Claws!
    The foe's Kyurem-Black's Attack rose!
    The foe's Kyurem-Black's Accuracy rose!
    Turn 17


    The foe's Kyurem-Black used Blizzard!
    A critical hit! It's super effective! Xatu lost 26% of its health!
    The foe's Kyurem-Black lost some of its HP!

    Xatu fainted!
    Furai: BADASS

    Anikrahman1995 sent out Terrakion!
    Turn 18


    Furai called Kyurem-Black back!

    Furai sent out Wobbuffet!

    Terrakion used Substitute!
    Terrakion put in a substitute!
    Terrakion lost 25% of its health!

    The foe's team is no longer protected by Safeguard!
    Turn 19


    Terrakion used Stone Edge!
    The attack of Terrakion missed!

    The foe's Wobbuffet is paralyzed! It can't move!
    Turn 20


    Terrakion used Swords Dance!
    Terrakion's Attack sharply rose!

    The foe's Wobbuffet is paralyzed! It can't move!
    Turn 21


    Terrakion used Stone Edge!
    The foe's Wobbuffet lost 100% of its health!
    Terrakion lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Wobbuffet fainted!
    Anikrahman1995: either way

    Furai sent out Scizor!
    Turn 22

    Anikrahman1995: dead wobbuffet

    The foe's Scizor is paralyzed! It can't move!

    Terrakion used Close Combat!
    The foe's Scizor lost 93% of its health!
    Terrakion's Defense fell!
    Terrakion's Special Defense fell!
    Terrakion lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Scizor fainted!
    Anikrahman1995: gg

    Furai sent out Kyurem-Black!
    The foe's Kyurem-Black is radiating a bursting aura!
    Turn 23

    Anikrahman1995: thats.......why i like paraaaalyyysissss support

    Terrakion used Close Combat!
    It's super effective! The foe's Kyurem-Black lost 90% of its health!
    Terrakion's Defense fell!
    Terrakion's Special Defense fell!
    Terrakion lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Kyurem-Black fainted!
    Furai: kyurem-b's back sprite looks so good
    Anikrahman1995: yeah

    Furai sent out Darkrai!
    Turn 24

    Furai: front is shit though :(
    Anikrahman1995: latias cannot take draco meteors

    The foe's Darkrai is fast asleep.

    Terrakion used Close Combat!
    It's super effective! The foe's Darkrai lost 87% of its health!
    Terrakion's Defense fell!
    Terrakion's Special Defense fell!
    Terrakion lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Darkrai fainted!

    Anikrahman1995 won the battle!
    Anikrahman1995: gg
    Furai: from kyurem-b?
    Anikrahman1995: can i post this haxy log?
    Anikrahman1995: no specs dragons
    Furai: o
    Furai: yeah sure idc
    Furai: i was just testing kyurem
    Anikrahman1995: thanks
    Anikrahman1995: i am gonna post right now
    Anikrahman1995: whats your opinion on this team so far?
    Furai: team's good
    Furai: it keeps a ton of momentum
    Anikrahman1995: still think latias>arceus? say no? no?
    Furai: let's test!
    Anikrahman1995: ok
    Anikrahman1995: you test it
    Anikrahman1995: but remember that you will need someone to take dragon attacks
  10. Furai

    Furai wellfare
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    Okay guys. We have decided to give this CCAT one last chance, before the Clause Testing starts. We're not too far from finishing this, only the phaze of playtesting is left! Now let's keep it up, and finish what we started.

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    This is the team right now, just to remind you guys. We are not allowed to have entry hazards of our own, and the team was built around Flame Charge Reshiram. There are plenty of things to discuss and weaknesses to fix before finalizing the team.
  11. Bossness

    Bossness

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    There are many problems with the team. I really don't know where to begin.

    Lets start with Blaziken:
    It stacks type with Terrakion and Reshiram. It is as frail as a chicken. It doesnt help with defensive synergy. It is hard to set up with it. Blaziken is a better sweeper than Reshiram - isn't Reshiram supposed to be the main sweeper? I would just get rid of it. Blaziken was chosen by a hasty vote anyway. Mtr mentioned that the team is weak to DD Rayquaza, Mewtwo and Darkrai, right? So, with Blaziken not in the team anymore, I would like to add Genesect as our newest member.

    Genesect @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Download
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Naive Nature
    - U-turn
    - Flamethrower
    - Ice Beam
    - Bug Buzz/Explosion(Preferrably Explosion).

    Terrakion is the most consistent member. It always does its job. No changes needed here. An optional change could be Taunt>Substitute.(Substitute causes unneccessary health loss;we dont want that to happen to our Extremekiller check)

    Arceus Water needs Ice Beam. Mono-Grass Coverage sucks. It makes you a sitting duck. The speed needs to be bumped up to 56 to outspeed modest Kyurem-W.

    Xatu. Bad Ev Spread. 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SDef @Careful Nature works better. The evs allow it to survive a Darkrai's Dark Pulse. This is useful if I muipredict with Genesect and U-turn to Xatu as Darkrai uses Dark Pulse. Xatu can come back later in the match to reflect hazards one more time. The current spread dies to Dialga's Draco Meteor. My ev spread allows it to survive a support Dialga's Draco Meteor.
    Xatu's Moveset
    There is a problem with the moveset. It can only attack with U-turn, correct? Should Xatu be faster than the pokemon(Groudon, Dialga, Ferro, Forry) that use hazards, they can keep spamming hazards against Xatu and wait for it to switch out. Example - Groudon can keep spamming Stealth Rock against Xatu and throw out random Earthquakes/Stone Edge. With some luck, it should be able to get Stealth Rock up. I am not exactly sure about how to fix this problem.

    Groudon
    If we are reliant on weather, we should have a bulky weather inducer or an offensive one to hurt its common switch-ins which will help Reshiram to sweep later on. Groudon can't reliably come in on Thunder as special attacks do a large amount of damage to it. Why did we choose Paradancer Groudon? It does not work in practice. Paradancer Groudon is an outdated set. No speed creep *sigh*. Ho-Oh beats this easily. Loses vs Dialga leads. An offensive set with Toxic/Thunder Wave/Protect/Dragon Tail(for pokeon trying to set up) in the last slot does a better job. BTW no fire punch means that Ferrothorn ad Forretress get chances to set up hazards. This is turn puts pressure on Xatu. The opponent can also double switch to something that threatens Xatu.

    Finally Reshiram
    Mild Nature needs to go. Naive is the better option. Life Orb recoil sucks. Flame Plate is the better option - no recoil, scarf bluff. BTW Outrage doesnt do anything. It is quite weak. A -2 Draco Meteor does nearly the same damage as Outrage. Stone edge is a better option to hit Ho-Oh which can otherwise be a huge problem.

    Thats what the pokemon are like in actual battles. I am surprised that no one suggested Ho-Oh as a teammate. The team itself has several issues. For an offensive team, its not very offensive; the speed of the battles can often be sluggish. There was no way to beat the Giratina + Chansey +++teammates core even with a hundred double switches. Reshiram couldnt really get an oppurtunity to hurt Giratina as it kept on fleeing. Blaziken is the most useless member - I am surprised that people actually voted for it. After Reshiram died, Giratina would wall the team for all eternity. Roar is not an option on Blaziken as our team lack hazards. The team needs serious fixing. BTW dont suggest scarf Terrakion. Arceus will be able to sweep our team if that is done. I will add more about the team some other time.
  12. Pokémon Trainer R

    Pokémon Trainer R

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    Having tested this team a bit last night upon Anikrahman1995's request, I have changed it such that it looks like this:

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    Reshiram @ Flame Plate
    Trait: Turboblaze
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Naive Nature
    - Flame Charge
    - Stone Edge
    - Blue Flare
    - Draco Meteor

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    Groudon @ Leftovers
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 200 HP / 200 Atk / 108 Def
    Adamant Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Thunder Wave
    - Earthquake
    - Stone Edge

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    Arceus-Water @ Splash Plate
    Trait: Multitype
    EVs: 252 HP / 240 SDef / 16 Spd
    Calm Nature
    - Recover
    - Ice Beam
    - Thunder Wave
    - Roar

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    Xatu (M) @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Magic Bounce
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Haze
    - Night Shade
    - Roost
    - Toxic

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    Ho-Oh @ Life Orb
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Brave Bird
    - Roost
    - Sacred Fire
    - Substitute

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    Terrakion @ Life Orb
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Substitute
    - Swords Dance
    - Stone Edge
    - Close Combat

    I changed the Xatu to my own set, Wisemon, which can indefinitely outstall most users of entry hazards and whittle them down with Night Shade, Toxic, or both. With Haze, this Xatu is the one and only perfect counter to Smeargle's Shell Smash + Baton Pass strategy, and it can also be a lifesaver in some desperate situations.

    I decided to replace Blaziken with Ho-Oh, as this very simple tweak changes this team from one that struggles immensely with Giratina, to one which completely laughs at it. While it certainly takes away from the uniqueness of this team, it is undeniable that the simple inclusion of a Ho-Oh effortlessly contributes to any Sun team both offensively and defensively, while Blaziken does nothing except add on to the team's Giratina weakness.

    And finally, I replaced Arceus-Water's Grass Knot with Ice Beam and changed Reshiram's moveset to my own Flame Charge set I made long ago, for the reasons Anikrahman1995 mentioned (Arceus-Water's Ice Beam also greatly helps against Rayquaza, a weakness of this team that I identified while testing it).
  13. Furai

    Furai wellfare
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    I honestly support any of Anikrahman's changes. I played him a few times and the team works extremely well. That EV spread for Xatu is also really great. Taunt on Terrakion sounds quite interesting actually, as many Giratina nowadays run Roar, and it could give us an answer to SmashPass without giving up on Dual Screens. Stone Edge and Flame Plate sound like a good way to lure in and kill Ho-Oh, which can be very annoying. Flame Plate can bluff a Choice item if we are spamming Blue Flare and Draco Meteor, which is always great. And I definitely agree on getting rid of Grass Knot in favor of Ice Beam; Ice Beam can actually beat Dragons that can be problematic. Changing Groudon's moveset might be better too, as Skarmory and Ferrothorn can setup freely on it. Sure, we have Xatu, but if Stealth Rock do end up on our field, it won't be able to switch in all day long. And I think that Genesect is a better option than Ho-Oh, as it wins us momentum and can deal with the Lati twins outside of rain.
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