Remember Knock Off, it's also the main reason why the lati twins can't switch into it all the time ^^*cough Cresselia cough*
Remember Knock Off, it's also the main reason why the lati twins can't switch into it all the time ^^*cough Cresselia cough*
Knock Off, U-turn, CM with Sludge Wave (+1 can 2HKO Physically Defensive after Rocks).*cough Cresselia cough*
0 Atk Life Orb Landorus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 140-166 (31.5 - 37.3%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recoveryRemember Knock Off, it's also the main reason why the lati twins can't switch into it all the time ^^
Imo you should add Charizard X and Azumarill to the conclusion reached category as well.Ok, it's time we clear up Landorus's ranking and make a definite decision about it. Landorus is staying in S rank and will be included to the ''conclusion reached'' category.
The reason for this decision is that Landorus has one amazing offensive set that is pretty consistent in general (Earth Power, Focus Blast, Knock Off, Sludge Wave / Psychic / Hidden Power Ice), and a ton of versatility, meaning no surefire counter exists and that Landorus can be tailored to fit any team's needs. And all this while having no real drawbacks, outside of lack of a spammable STAB, which is somewhat offset by the fact that most of Landorus's checks are easy to spot and hit on the switch. You could argue it's a bit slow and gets outsped by some very important Pokemon, such as Keldeo, Latios, and Greninja, but none of those Pokemon are as hard to wall as Landorus, and none of those Pokemon have the same longevity as Landorus without being choice locked. Latios and Greninja take LO damage and are both hurt by sandstorm, while Latios is also weak to Pursuit. Landorus has none of those problems. Keldeo's best set locks it to one move, making it much easier to play around than Landorus. And while Keldeo checks more Pokemon with its great defensive typing and can outspeed some Pokemon that Landorus can't (Garchomp and opposing Landorus mainly), Landorus is more difficult to counter and its best set doesn't lock it to one move, while also being more versatile than Keldeo. If there was S- rank, both Landorus and Keldeo would be there, but now that we have established that the standards of S rank are lower than they used to be, Landorus is as worthy of S rank as Keldeo.
Char X is debatable because for the most part, it's got worse as the meta evolved. It's generally still up for some decent discussion. Azumarill everyone kind of figures it's an S rank threat and I don't think any meta game changes have taken place to warrant a drop of any kind.Imo you should add Charizard X and Azumarill to the conclusion reached category as well.
Actually, i will add the whole S rank there, because some of them are definite S ranks, such as Thundurus and Azumarill, and the more controversial ones have already been discussed to death.Imo you should add Charizard X and Azumarill to the conclusion reached category as well.
You could put something like (conclusion reached) next to the Pokemon because I doubt most people are going to scroll down on the first page of this thread. Or instead of the bottom put it somewhere on top, just a suggestion. Also shouldn't Mantine be in blacklisted instead? edit: nvm about Mantine, thought it wasn't ranked.Actually, i will add the whole S rank there, because some of them are definite S ranks, such as Thundurus and Azumarill, and the more controversial ones have already been discussed to death.
I don't think so. It's relatively weak, can't take a hit, and there are about 10 better Pokemon to use your mega slot on, but a lot of people think it's really good so it's A- rank.Holy shit, Mega Zam in A- rank. Is he that good?
Scizor is not outclassed by his mega in pretty much anything but the SD set due to his mega's superior bulk. Normal Scizor's abillity to have an item is great for it, especially CB sets since they have more immediate power than the mega. Scizor should not move down.Would it be completely absurd to suggest a drop for normal Scizor? At least to B-? He's completely and utterly outclassed by Mega Scizor, and while he can run multiple sets, he's not wonderful at any of them and they're fairly easy to scout.
Holy shit, you're alive O_OHoly shit, Mega Zam in A- rank. Is he that good?
A Mega is run depending on the role it has in the metagame. Mega Alakazam's fantastic Special Attack and Speed in tandem with great coverage and excellent utility in Trace are what place it in A-. It's really good in the current metagame. It does require opposing revenge killers and priority users to be off the field before it can function at its best, but since p much every A- Pokémon needs a good deal of support on top of Mega Alakazam not needing much other support to wreck shit, it's much deserving of its A- Rank.I don't think so. It's relatively weak, can't take a hit, and there are about 10 better Pokemon to use your mega slot on, but a lot of people think it's really good so it's A- rank.
The way I see it, if a Mega's job is done by something else at around the same capacity or needs some kind of specialized support to function, then it should be noted. Mega Garchomp is actually on par with (if not better than) Kyurem-B when it comes to wallbreaking, but it needs specific support in Sand Stream to justify using it, hence why it's ranked lower.How much does it matter that a mega takes up a mega slot when we rank them? Do we rank them as if they dont prevent you from using other megas, or as if it doesnt matter? To me it seems like a little of both. Mega Abomnasnow isnt ranked because there is almost no reason to use it over another mega. However, it seems as if megas like Mega Aerodactly are ranked on their own, without taking into account you cant use other, higher ranked, megas.
Being a Mega Evolution just adds to your opportunity cost, aka the competition with other Pokemon fulfilling one or more similar roles. When choosing a MEvo, you not only have to make sure it's worth using over other Pokemon with the same roles (wallbreaker, pivot, hazard setter, revenge killer, etc), but that it is also worth using over other MEvos, as you can only use one of them. That's why, usually, it's better to put the MEvo either in the end or the beginning of the teambuilding process. If you choose the MEvo in the beginning, it usually means that it's a sweeper (DD Mega Charizard X, DD Mega Gyarados), and you are building a team able to facilitate its sweep. Thus, you make sure that the Mega slot is worth using in this particular Pokemon because of the specific support you dedicated to it. If you choose the MEvo in the end, you can clearly see what is missing from the team, and what particular role you need to fill. So, if a certain MEvo fits that role, it's rare that it will be competing with other MEvos for this team slot, because it's rare that another MEvo will be filling the same role while also having as good synergy with the rest of your team as the MEvo you have already chosen does.How much does it matter that a mega takes up a mega slot when we rank them? Do we rank them as if they dont prevent you from using other megas, or as if it doesnt matter? To me it seems like a little of both. Mega Abomnasnow isnt ranked because there is almost no reason to use it over another mega. However, it seems as if megas like Mega Aerodactly are ranked on their own, without taking into account you cant use other, higher ranked, megas.
singlehandely wrecks Stall's anus, and can kill anything on offense if it gets a switch-in, which is easy considering it's great typing.Mega Hera is A+ now? Woah. I know the aegimaw bans helped him a lot but with his subpar speed and decent but not amazing bulk as well as being 4 times weak to birdspam STAB I don't see why he is A+. Unless someone can convince me otherwise Mega Heracross for A+.
I assume u meant A right?Mega Hera is A+ now? Woah. I know the AegiMaw bans helped him a lot but with his subpar speed and decent but not amazing bulk as well as being 4 times weak to birdspam STAB I don't see why he is A+. Unless someone can convince me otherwise Mega Heracross for A+.