He's rich and white so... kinda?
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He's rich and white so... kinda?
Touche ha ha.
Though we also didn’t expect him to actually be tried and convicted. Point being, there is a convicted felon running for President. He has a parole officer and potential for incarceration or house arrest. It is a reality voters will have to reconcile in November along with January 6, two impeachments, over one million covid-19 deaths (disproportionately his voters), and the rest of his disastrous presidency.
I’m a progressive— of course I’m critical of the Dem mainstream analyst class, but the point is that even they are levying the same criticism.
To be fair, until Oct 7th happened I also still thought Biden WAS the least risky, strongest card to play— but I could have been wrong, I’d admit.
Honestly no idea what’s right or wrong— at this point for the love of God I just hope someone has the answer somewhere and Trump loses. Don’t care how
Biden is still the least risky. The primary is over and he is the nominee unless he decides ti resign for VP Kamala Harris. And her polling vs felon Trump has never been good. Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, Josh Shapiro, Wes Moore, Corey Booker, and all the other names being floated are all great and will make a good primary in 2028.
The reality is Biden is the nominee. It seems tough for people to accept but it ain’t changing. So we can do the work to win this election or surrender to fascism. As Gavin Newsom said, “the world is counting on is. Biden had our back. It is time we have his.”
Not fully convinced but respect the sentiment.
(Of those needs to be Shapiro just sayin’)
From the five minutes or so that I could stand to watch, this is accurate. Trump did the exact thing that he's been doing for years, and Biden wasn't ready for it.
Austrian and German news outlets are reporting about Biden's incoherence and inability to form sentences. There's also reports about the dems panicking and the possibility of Biden being replaced as the dem candidate
Personally, I think it's kinda... bad how the US has to decide between two senile sex offenders
Only one of them was actually convicted on sexual charges and had to pay $83 million to the victim so we can shelf the “both sides” bullshit.
They better be. Looks like Biden fundraising is increasing since the debate.
If nothing else, black voters will come through for Joe. You can bank that. And black voters in Atlanta, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, and Detroit are difference makers. My cousin in Detroit just said even if Biden needs to rolled into the White House in a casket they coming out to beat the felon.
Here's a clip of Biden less than 5 years ago articulating a coherent thought, staying on message, and appearing cognizant in a way that he is incapable of doing today, despite the same "lifelong stutter" that is being used as an excuse for what is so obviously cognitive decline. This is so obviously not just a stutter and a cold. It reeks of desperation and Trump-supporter-level delusion that you can't even admit the blatant weakness of your candidate.
I’m not sure why you keep repeating right wing talking points. He has been dealing with his stutter for his entire life. There is no need for the quotes. It is not a conspiracy.
He looks fine here. Getting over a cold. Joe will be fine.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ubrREnJWUzQ?si=Hf4dfCBH2ZDyVbPz
I'm not sure why you keep dismissing arguments against Biden as "right-wing talking points" with the same gusto that Trump supporters dismiss Trump criticisms as "liberal media bias" (the same media, incidentally, that now have headline after headline concerned over his fitness to beat Trump).
The whole world sees it. Dem officials are saying it anonymously. I know you think you sound smart and reasonable for denying it, but you sound as disconnected from reality as Trump supporters do.
I'm not out here thinking that Bernie or some politician I'd actually like is going to replace him on the ticket. Think about how dire the situation has to be for leftists to be begging to be saved by Kamala fucking Harris.
Unrelated, but this Chevron ruling is really bad
The whole world sees it. Dem officials are saying it anonymously. I know you think you sound smart and reasonable for denying it, but you sound as disconnected from reality as Trump supporters do.
I'm not out here thinking that Bernie or some politician I'd actually like is going to replace him on the ticket. Think about how dire the situation has to be for leftists to be begging to be saved by Kamala fucking Harris.
Unrelated, but this Chevron ruling is really bad
Biden stutter has been public knowledge since before he won in 2020. He has worked hard to overcome it, which can be considered a disability and you are making fun of it. Sorry dude this is right wing garbage. They are the ones that mock disabilities. We can do better than that.
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So, could any US politics specialists here tell me why did the DNC willingly chose a guy, that can barely form a fucking sentence, to run against a party that has been working overtime to LITERALLY make my friends existence illegal? That wants to INCREASE income inequality and just arrest those at the bottom? That wants to lock up a person that decided over their own body? That wants to make sure that planet earth has no chance of survival to please their donors? That wants to fuck over every single person that doesn't fit their morals?
I dont care if it shows weakness, literally just take any semi popular governor right now and play him instead. The primary closes in two weeks, do it. All this talk about how Trump is bad, but no responsibility whatsoever, you're campaigning to stop evil incarnate and you offer THIS? And isn't it so funny that the same journalists who a week ago yapped about how great Biden is, are now 180'ing and trashing him like they were never part of the problem? what the fuck is dignity?
The DNC is utterly unresponsible, hypocritcal, pathetic and simply cannot be trusted to defend our rights against the enemy. If they don't send this man home they are a joke and they're gonna have to enjoy their sub 60% turnout.
I dont care if it shows weakness, literally just take any semi popular governor right now and play him instead. The primary closes in two weeks, do it. All this talk about how Trump is bad, but no responsibility whatsoever, you're campaigning to stop evil incarnate and you offer THIS? And isn't it so funny that the same journalists who a week ago yapped about how great Biden is, are now 180'ing and trashing him like they were never part of the problem? what the fuck is dignity?
The DNC is utterly unresponsible, hypocritcal, pathetic and simply cannot be trusted to defend our rights against the enemy. If they don't send this man home they are a joke and they're gonna have to enjoy their sub 60% turnout.
Let’s clarify. The DNC did not choose Biden. The Democratic voters did. He won the open primary convincingly 2020, beating out 16 other candidates. He proceeded to unseat felon Trump in 2020. Now as the incumbent, he won the primary again with no serious challenger (which is customary for US incumbent Presidents). This is not a conspiracy coup by the DNC.
Offer what? Joe Biden already beat convicted felon Trump. Yes, destroying our own candidate is weak as fuck and any replacement is less likely to win in four months.
In short, until recently the prevailing thought among Democratic strategists (and most Democratic primary voters) in the US was that Biden had the best chance to win. The primary goal is to win and beat Trump, so the establishment lined up behind him. This is quite common in the US - in 90% of cases, the incumbent president will be the strongest general election candidate.
This school of thought has shifted a fair bit due to last night's debate. Probably Biden is still seen as the best chance to beat Trump, but it is a lot murkier. There is now a legitimate chance that Biden will be replaced (probably in the realm of 15-20%), compared to a non-existent (<1% chance) chance prior to the debate.
I personally think Biden is probably still the best chance to beat Trump in November, but might change my mind on that if he can't get things together in the next month or so.
Let's not pretend 5 prominent Democrats dropping out of the race in 2020 all within a week, while Bernie was in the lead, was not a decision made by the DNC. The voters picked Biden because of the collective efforts endorsing him. It's insane to think that his success was entirely driven by voters wanting him.
I am not mocking a stutter. I'm just able to tell the difference between a stutter (which happens a few times in the 2019 clip without detracting from his overall speaking performance, which is quite good) and obvious signs of age-related dysfunction. If you think this:
" Look, there’s so many young women who have been – including a young woman who just was murdered and he – he went to the funeral. The idea that she was murdered by a – by –by an immigrant coming in, and they talk about that. But here’s the deal, there’s a lot of young women who are being raped by their – by their in-laws, by their – by their spouses, brothers and sisters, by – just – it’s just – it’s just ridiculous. And they can do nothing about it."
In response to a question about abortion is just a stutter, you're beyond reaching. If you can't spot the obvious difference between a sentence that is occasionally disrupted by a stammer and a train of thought that is completely off the rails, I genuinely don't know what to tell you. It is insane that you can't even admit that his inability to start and end a sentence is a problem.
No. What actually happened was that black voters overwhelmingly backed Biden in South Carolina, and for the third time in three open Dem primaries decided who the eventual Democratic nominee is. Why do you not credit Biden’s primary voters with any agency?
The dropout + endorsements came days before Super Tuesday which is when Biden effectively secured the nomination. Yes, Bernie likely wasn't going to get a substantial portion of the Black vote, but the 5 prominent dems that dropped out and endorsed him right before Super Tuesday certainly helped him secure the nomination. My exact words were "it's insane to think that his success was entirely driven by voters wanting him" and that is absolutely true. It was not a coincidence all of them dropped out days before ST and endorsed the same guy.
Both this and what RaikouLover said can be true. Yes, the dropouts (and more importantly, Elizabeth Warren specifically staying in the race to split the progressive vote with Bernie) were coordinated by and large by the DNC and Democratic political operatives to give Biden a bigger advantage. And yes, black voters in South Carolina gave Biden a nearly-decisive advantage already, well before those dropouts occurred.
Both of these factors helped drive Biden's primary win in 2020. I would argue that Biden went from an also-ran to the clear frontrunner as a result of the South Carolina primary victory (and the support of black voters in general), while the Super Tuesday coordination against Bernie probably did not change much in the grand scheme of things. As a result, I would generally credit most of Biden's win to his appeal to the voters, but with a definite assist from the DNC / Democratic political operatives. In the end it really doesn't matter though.
there were not even other candidates in the democratic primary in many states. i am very confused
(to be clear the democratic party has made very clear that it is not interested in any other candidate and idk why people think that will suddenly change bc of a debate performance that was very predictable)
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