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I highly doubt that it was staged. There's no way that Trump would agree to that close of a call for the sake of propaganda. He would've had somebody throw something non-lethal at him.
I wouldn’t put it past anyone with authoritarian ambitions. I’ll remain skeptical. Twitter right now is full of this Trump fist pump photo. And again, Republicans are more giddy than mortified. It is questionable behavior in my opinion. Why are they so happy their guy almost got killed?
It's okay, I thought for a long time that Bolsonaro faked the stabbing and later thought that he had conspired to get stabbed. Trump is dumb and vain, he looked at the sun during an eclipse despite being told not to look, he is the guy that would get shot and pose for a photo, as he just did. An America flag on a Trump rally is not something uncommon.
Bolsonaro milked the stabbing every chance he got, that's why there is a bunch of pictures of him shirtless in a hospital to show his scars. Guys like them are shameless, gross and oportunistic.
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America is full of gun lunatics (who seemingly don't practice very often) and any conspiracy is just very sad wishful thinking at this stage. Trump is deeply familiar with what looks nice on camera and told his security to wait so he could get in a photo op, and got it. Jumping to false flag accusations with no information is what far right media does in the wake of mass shootings to smear the narrative and avoid any sort of accountability for the lobby. You're treading in that blue Q ground and it's gross.
You are entitled to your opinion.
Ok bro, I know what I see. Human behavior is not jiving on this. If someone tries to shoot the POTUS, won’t catch me happy about it or retweeting. This kind of shit is horrifying.
We should be more thoughtful than espousing conspiracy theories until more information comes through from credible sources. I will also not tolerate further calls for violence in this thread (and in general)
I understand that this is big (obviously), but please take a deep breath before posting in here for a little bit
I understand that this is big (obviously), but please take a deep breath before posting in here for a little bit
btw I don't get people who are saying this will influence his perfomance. It was an argument with bolsonaro because he was a new candidate which needed to rally the insane echo chamber far right movement to support him, and the stabbing did help making him an icon and strengthen his propaganda.
Trump has established his follower base, this isn't going to move anyone into voting for him cuz he got shot. What its gonna do is rile up Qanon and his followers even more, and those may lead to retaliation or accelerationism, but if you only care about voting this is going to be a true nothingburger
Trump has established his follower base, this isn't going to move anyone into voting for him cuz he got shot. What its gonna do is rile up Qanon and his followers even more, and those may lead to retaliation or accelerationism, but if you only care about voting this is going to be a true nothingburger
an audience member died.
it's not fake.
oh god oh shit oh fuck.
it's not fake.
oh god oh shit oh fuck.
Well, democracy was nice while it lasted. See you folks in the camps.
Ok last post i prommy but I'd say check in on your friends if they're in red areas (not even states, but towns and streets etc), esp if theyre minorities. retaliative (we are going to pretend this is a word) violence may happen depending on how qanon believers take this, and violence in general really.
What this has essentially done is turn trump into a martyr, and that is going to mean a lot for a lot of independent voters (and even "democrats" who are disillusioned with biden). they're going to start seeing him as a figure that [insert marginalized / antifascist group here] is trying to take down or censor or whatever buzzword Trump feels drawn to, and that's going to draw a lot of votes for people who were otherwise on the fence or abstaining from the election. even if it doesn't boost his votes, which i doubt, it is going to lead to accelerated violence toward whichever marginalized group trump and his cult of personality blame for it. they're going to pick a narrative that they like and it will hurt for everyone they don't like.
even if this is a joke i find it extremely important that we don't act doomer-ist about it. now is the time to prepare however you see fit to ensure you, your family, and your peers will survive this. as long as our chests can still draw breath, we are not defeated.
Democracy is not over yet.
This seems most plausible. Will certainly juice Trump turnout. I don’t see how this would convert anyone considering the 53% anti-Trump constituency are calcified and strong disapprovers. The hate runs too deep.
I get what you're saying but I did mention the accelerated violence, rather that voting on itself isn't going to be heavily affected. IMO i think that independent voters and abstains/undecideds aren't actually people who want trump in general, but people who don't see biden as better/worth voting for. Ofc the impact wouldnt be 0 but i don't think it'll be extremely noticeable in That Area. (edit that would to a wouldnt. I'm so good at writing fellas)
The actual reaction of his followers sure will though.
And just like that, Trump got that Bolsonaro Stab Boost.
This is going to be a massive boost to his campaign.
the shooter killed 2 people in the crowd and was shortly then killed by security. doesn't seem super fake to me
I only plan on posting one message here and one message only. That being said, speaking as someone who has several relatives on the Republican side of the bipartisan spectrum, here's what I think Republicans are thinking of the events that have transpired:
I will not be replying to any posts after this, since I understand I have effectively zero political experience or extensive knowledge of laws and regulations myself. I only wish to provide insight into what the average Republican (whatever that means anymore) might think of the events that have taken place. I wish all of you the best, hope for a speedy recovery from the former President Of The United States, and now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to start working on a post about how stupidly convenient it was for the New England Patriots of all football teams to finally win their first Super Bowl during the same year/season that 9/11 happened. Now that's a potential conspiracy theory I can get behind.
- From what I'm gathering, there's quite a few Republicans that seem to be encouraging conspiracy theories that this event had something to do with the Democratic party. I think any such theories do not provide anything helpful to group discussion; even if information were to come out in the future that this so-called "assassination attempt" had anything to do with the Democratic party, my own belief remains the same, that at the end of the day, Americans are Americans and slapping political party labels onto media propaganda is completely missing the point of why actions like this are unforgivable and should not be tolerated on any fronts.
- My reaction the "fist pump photo op" situation remains mixed. Gestures like this have historically been emblematic of strength, so in a vacuum I can understand why the former president would want to do that. I also don't think it is fair to the Secret Service to immediately make assumptions that Trump encouraged a photo op opportunity. However, I also think that the crowd's reaction to this gesture says a lot about the most diehard, far-right political voters in the year 2024. It remains to be seen if Democratic voters would react the same way these Republican voters did if something were to happen to Biden, Kamala, or anyone else. This should really go without saying, but I would like to keep things that way. That is to say, I don't want anyone else getting shot. I see nothing wrong with these Republican voters feeling glad their presidential nominee seems to be okay, as of the time of writing this post. But once again, the idea that any American would not be happy that a former president regardless of political affiliation is safe genuinely disturbs me.
- Even the most diehard Trump supporters can tell you that his campaign rallies, while usually not to this extent, are generally pretty wild and chaotic anyway. But I'm starting to think that's the whole point. My best guess is that at least one person within Trump's inner circle (which for all intents and purposes includes himself) knows that Republican voters are looking for a fierce, vocal leader for their party. By this logic, it could be argued that the former president was making a conscious effort to not look weak in public. Which, again, that's the entire point of a political rally. From Trump's point of view, the dude's hosting a rally trying to get revenge for 2020, and he just got shot. Yes, it's a golden opportunity to look strong across the media, but even if it wasn't, what was he supposed to do? Get up and start crying? From a Republican point of view, Trump did exactly what he was supposed to. From a Democratic point of view, though, this comes at the risk of further alienating people who already hated you and/or your policies.
I will not be replying to any posts after this, since I understand I have effectively zero political experience or extensive knowledge of laws and regulations myself. I only wish to provide insight into what the average Republican (whatever that means anymore) might think of the events that have taken place. I wish all of you the best, hope for a speedy recovery from the former President Of The United States, and now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to start working on a post about how stupidly convenient it was for the New England Patriots of all football teams to finally win their first Super Bowl during the same year/season that 9/11 happened. Now that's a potential conspiracy theory I can get behind.
Do authoritarians care if their followers, or innocent civilians, die?
I'm not on board the false flag train but do you really think they can't rustle up a single Trump supporter willing to sacrifice their life to help their god king get elected? These fuckers were throwing COVID parties just because Fauci told them that's probably a bad idea.
I don’t quite get why people think the nation will instantly collapse if Trump is president. He’s been one before and the nation didn’t suddenly cease to exist. Every Republican says the Democrats will end this nation. Every Deomocrat says the Republicans will end this nation. Trump was president. Biden was president. The nation has not ended. Both sides dramatize everything the other does and I see a bunch of people blinded by political bias. That’s why we must listen to both sides to dig the truth. That’s what I’m trying to do. If you only listen to one side, you will (obviously) only agree with that side.
I hope someday you gain a better understanding of politics than a sheltered, privileged child's.
Because there was an armed insurrection that assaulted the US Capitol building that Trump encouraged by making baseless claims that the election was rigged, something that to this day a large number of Republicans believe. This isn't just him making some policies and laws that I don't like, this is Donald Trump actively working in opposition to the Democratic process as we know it. Now he survived an assassination attempt which to millions of Republicans (or more importantly, right leaning moderates) will validate their feelings that the Democrats are lying cheats who will do anything to get into office, including murder.
That downright terrifies me. The damage he could do in 4 more years could very well put US Democracy at risk, AGAIN.
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