Going from posting a terrorist brochure and stating it's to be taken at face value to posting statements made by the most authoritarian dictatorship on earth and, again, saying we should take it at face value
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Honestly at this point i would be more worried about the J. D. Vance guy than old Trump himself, the guy is already setup as his potential successor while the Democrats failed to setup a proper successor to even older Biden in 4 years, which is absolutely pathetic.
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but what's the part that should not be taken at face value? the dprk has in fact always been a supporter of palestine, and it has never recognized israel. are you saying that is untrue, or what? saying "i think they are bad" a lot is not really an explanation.
but what's the part that should not be taken at face value? the dprk has in fact always been a supporter of palestine, and it has never recognized israel. are you saying that is untrue, or what? saying "i think they are bad" a lot is not really an explanation.
You must be extremely naive if you think the most authoritarian country on the planet cares even the slightest bit about the human rights of a ethnic group in middle east. DPRK never recognized Israel by proxy of not been part of the Red bloc / being part of the western bloc and Palestines affiliation with 30+ years defunct Soviet Union in the 1960s. Its pure geopolitics that drives this statement in order to mobilize a illiberal worldwide coalition against USA and its allies.
I don't find it especially noteworthy that one of America's foremost geopolitical adversaries is also opposed to the existence of America's closest Middle Eastern ally. This is precisely the position that I expect North Korea to take. You presented the quotes without commentary in your original post (though I'm assuming that the emphasis was yours), and you've avoided sharing any of your own thoughts in your replies to this point; so I'm really not sure what it is that you're trying to get at here. What reaction were you expecting? I hope that you weren't expecting people in this thread to start calling North Korea, an autocracy built on brutal repression, based because they're pretending to care about Palestinian sovereignty in a situation where doing so allows them to attack the United States.
Because they have no respect for human life?
North Korea just parrots what China and Russia say but louder. They don't give a fuck about Palestine, they don't give a fuck about humans or anything that lives
What does it matter what they say? The DKRP shouldn't exist. It's just the biggest, most rotten prison on Earth
heartbreaking: the Most Authoritarian Country On The Planet just made a great point
citation massively needed.
The United States would surely agree with you. This is why they committed genocide against them:
This is just from skimming wikipedia, which is largely biased towards the west. We can maybe see from this why the DPRK has some of the best and most intimate knowledge in the world when it comes to what the United States truly is. Which explains pretty well their support for Palestine (with the United States, by contrast, directly supporting the extermination of the Palestinians).
Also one point I want to make to all three of the most recent responders to my post. All three of you did something that I think is interesting: you pointed out your belief that the DPRK doesn't 'care' about Palestine. This I find pretty curious. Why does it matter whether they 'care' or not? They do, by the way, but even if they didn't, what does that have to do with the validity of the statement I posted?
Many people in this thread may care, abstractly, about Palestine. That is pretty cool I guess, but what really matters is whether you are doing anything of actual material benefit to support it. The DPRK has done that for a long time. They also have made a very good and correct statement about the conflict, which I posted. Some members find the statement objectionable, which is totally cool with me, but what is strange is that there's been no comment about any actual issue within the statement itself.
Many people in this thread may care, abstractly, about Palestine. That is pretty cool I guess, but what really matters is whether you are doing anything of actual material benefit to support it. The DPRK has done that for a long time. They also have made a very good and correct statement about the conflict, which I posted. Some members find the statement objectionable, which is totally cool with me, but what is strange is that there's been no comment about any actual issue within the statement itself.
Extreme Illiberalism / "Anti-Establishment" truly is a brainrot be it MAGA/Fascism or the Marxist-Leninist kind, this kind of post reminds me about joining some "Marxist-Leninist" server back during the pandemic when i had no political home and was open for lots of "leftist" ideologies, i think it was called Yugopnik. Lets say the brainwash and idolizing of dictators, massmurders and autocrats was through the roof and those are the vibes you give since posting some manifesto of a islamist group uncritically.
for what it's worth, I don't mess with random leftist online communities or whatever things like that. I do mess with facts, many of which I've just now posted. you are free to sidestep them if you want, I can't control that.
If you must know, my foremost issue with the statement itself is the totally laughable notion of cutting the United States out of international relations entirely for its support of Israel; but as I explained in my prior response, I don't find the statement itself particularly noteworthy. Your intention in posting it, which you continue to be evasive about, is of significantly greater interest to me. I oppose both Israel's brutal treatment of the Palestinian people and my own government's handling of the situation, but I'm not going to throw my weight behind North Korea because they happen to be aligned with me in this regard.
I find interesting the whole idea that we can just say the words "North Korea" and it's supposed to simply end all conversation as a matter of course. Isn't that a bit odd?
If we're interested in my 'intent,' as if I had some sneaky ulterior motive in posting about North Korea (cue laughtrack because I said 'North Korea'), then I suppose it would be three things:
1) I thought the statement was really great and simply wanted to share it. I figured most would not appreciate it, but some might.
2) I saw that the thread was talking about some pointless things and felt that this would be more of a challenging or interesting topic.
3) I had a bad day today and posting for a bit here let me distract myself a bit from that!
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I think if I keep going it will only get worse, so here is a very interesting documentary about the DPRK for anyone who wants to get an additional perspective on it. Learning is good! The director is iirc a South Korean German national. In my very 'evasive' opinion, it comes at the topic from a largely neutral perspective on the DPRK, with maybe a slight positive skew, which is very rare to see in the west. It is not a propaganda piece, in 'either' direction.
If we're interested in my 'intent,' as if I had some sneaky ulterior motive in posting about North Korea (cue laughtrack because I said 'North Korea'), then I suppose it would be three things:
1) I thought the statement was really great and simply wanted to share it. I figured most would not appreciate it, but some might.
2) I saw that the thread was talking about some pointless things and felt that this would be more of a challenging or interesting topic.
3) I had a bad day today and posting for a bit here let me distract myself a bit from that!
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I think if I keep going it will only get worse, so here is a very interesting documentary about the DPRK for anyone who wants to get an additional perspective on it. Learning is good! The director is iirc a South Korean German national. In my very 'evasive' opinion, it comes at the topic from a largely neutral perspective on the DPRK, with maybe a slight positive skew, which is very rare to see in the west. It is not a propaganda piece, in 'either' direction.
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I was in no way trying to end all conversation when I put the words "North Korea" in italics at the end of my previous post. I'm not sure where you've conjured that idea from.
I was suspicious of your motivation for posting the statement because I've recently been seeing a lot of leftists, out of either genuine authoritarian sentiment or blinding hatred of the United States, engage in apologetics for repressive autocracies. I believe you when you say that your intentions were more innocuous than that. Regardless, I'm not especially interested in what the North Korean government has to say on this matter, and the notion of booting the United States off the international stage over Israel remains utterly farcical. Therefore, this will be my last post on the matter. I hope that your next day is better than the previous one.
EDIT: Actually, I will say one more related thing: Without watching any of the linked documentary, I believe wholeheartedly that material conditions in North Korea aren't as overwhelmingly miserable as many in the United States media apparatus would have me believe. That doesn't change the fact that North Korea is a repressive autocracy to which I am fundamentally opposed.
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why are we talking about Kim Jong Un all of a sudden? is he the new candidate?
they'll do anything to keep Bernie out
they'll do anything to keep Bernie out
I’m pretty sure all his anguished comments that sound like an anguished leftist after the 2020 primaries are ironic— has to be. No way he’s serious… right?
If facing Biden unironically yes, the polls have pointed that a “normal Republican” would be much stronger. That’s why against that possibility too (extremely small now) Coconut Pill is our greatest defense.
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Honestly, posting the opinions and statements of the most totalitarian and brutal dictatorship on this planet unironically and following it up with "idk I just think it's interesting" should be thread ban worthy. The above conversation just proves there's no good discussion to be had by doing so because everyone else is just as baffled as I am.
I'm not going to pull the trigger at this time because now we know what you're trying to do but jesus christ. At least make your point and give some context in your first post.
I'm not going to pull the trigger at this time because now we know what you're trying to do but jesus christ. At least make your point and give some context in your first post.
I mean the user in question has unironically linked to Hamas pamphlets and told us that they were being misrepresented, not the first time this has happened
Hahaha, are you serious right now? Biden doesn't need to "turn anything around", he's just gotta play it cool and not get baited by the hotheads at the DNC clamoring for him to resign. I mean who do you think can even replace him? Klobuchar? Don't make me laugh.
Meanwhile the UN-Court confirmed in a hearing that the annexion of West Bank and East-Jerusalem by Israel is illegal and that Israels practices against palestinian population violate article 3 of the international convention on the Elimination of All Forums of Racial Discrimination, constituting to Apartheid. Realistically this still won't have much truly negative effect for Israel and their current government as long as USA and most EU-Countries continue to unequivocally support Israel, but its still good to see this confirmation.
It’s fantasy football. Build your dream ticket!
Never mind the 50 state Biden/Harris campaign apparatus, $250 million raised, and thousands of staff and volunteers working on the ground. Nah, we can just lay them all off and start over!
I thought we got over "north korea is the most evil country in the world they cook people alive and put them in little soups with carrots and tomatoes" discourse. The global north will always be infinitely more brutal, "authoritarian" and facist than a country that was almost bombed into extinction and is isolated from the world by the same global north and is actually a Normal Country with Normal People on it. destroy europe and the united states and then we can talk about north korea being problematic or whatever. maybe I'll even hear you out about china or something
North Korean concentration camps, authoritarian tendencies, extreme censorship / propaganda, and general crimes against humanity have been well documented by many, MANY numerous neutral sources, ex prisoners, NK refugees, former camp guards, satellite imagery and so on. North Korea being an authoritarian hellhole isn't up for debate. It's objective fact. You might as well tell me the holocaust "wasn't so bad" because that's the level of reality denial this North Korean revisionism is.
I was going to jokingly say you might as well quote North Korean state media to prove their innocence but I guess someone already unironically did that...
I was going to jokingly say you might as well quote North Korean state media to prove their innocence but I guess someone already unironically did that...
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Man thats crazy, I wonder if theres a country out there who has that but 100x worse and is actively interested in imperialistic international politics that include genocide and complete destabilization of governments for its own benefit
Yeah i know why i don't wanna interact with online communists anymore, come back when theres actually concentration like camps in todays western democracies (well might happen in USA soon enough the way things are going) and disobeying Kim Jong Un and his regime for the dumbest bs won't get you punished harshly. North Korea is isolated by its own fault or rather thanks to those 1940s - early 1950s Maoist "liberators" more than anything else.
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