The Democratic donors used disgusting tactics to disenfranchise 14 million Democratic Party voters and bully a duly elected Incumbent President out of a job he spent his whole life working for. They threw ageist and ableist attacks against him for weeks. But let's cry about rhetoric. That will be the least of our worries come November.
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The Democratic donors used disgusting tactics to disenfranchise 14 million Democratic Party voters and bully a duly elected Incumbent President out of a job he spent his whole life working for. They threw ageist and ableist attacks against him for weeks. But let's cry about rhetoric. That will be the least of our worries come November.
He’s gone off the deep end hasn’t he
Idk milquetoast center right libs have been stopping progress to the left because of using the wrong rhetoric for ages. I don't see what's wrong here.
It's ironic to care about democratic donors now, when you simp for Biden. Biden was handpicked by those same donors in 2020. I don't see why you hate them when you should show the same cult following to them as you do Biden.
Anyway. Now that that's done:
Anyone think that Donald Trump is just WAY too old to run for president? Like, he's 78 and if you look at his campaigning, he just incoherently rambles about shit that's just completely irrelevant to the election. Even when he was president, he took a mental wellbeing test and bragged about remembering 5 things. He even took his sweet time to recall them during the interview he was bragging about not having a crayon lodged in his brain.
Idt anyone can seriously look at his constant gaffes and think "yeah he must be mentally all there". He's clearly got some sort of brain worm and I don't think I'd feel good at all if HE was the one in charge of the biggest country in the free world.
Now that Biden's stepped down, the Republicans need to wrestle back the attention. Trump stepping down would do it.
Anyone think that Donald Trump is just WAY too old to run for president? Like, he's 78 and if you look at his campaigning, he just incoherently rambles about shit that's just completely irrelevant to the election. Even when he was president, he took a mental wellbeing test and bragged about remembering 5 things. He even took his sweet time to recall them during the interview he was bragging about not having a crayon lodged in his brain.
Idt anyone can seriously look at his constant gaffes and think "yeah he must be mentally all there". He's clearly got some sort of brain worm and I don't think I'd feel good at all if HE was the one in charge of the biggest country in the free world.
Now that Biden's stepped down, the Republicans need to wrestle back the attention. Trump stepping down would do it.
Sorry you're unhappy with the results. Many of us have been in your shoes before. But as a liberal once told me, "pick a side."
I know that this is a meme to an extent but I genuinely did not realize how bad it got. How in the world did he speak at the convention for an HOUR AND A HALF about nothing for 95% of it. I can't believe we live in a world where the trumpers dedicated enough to go to his coronation celebration were bored out of their minds asking when they could go home. If our old guy is off the ticket I say we play ball and hammer down on Trump.
I remember this interview. The interviewer, who looked much better than Trump despite being around the same age, had also taken that test. When Trump bragged about how it was a very difficult test, the interviewer said that it was on the level of being asked to identify an animal in a picture. The accusations about Biden's mental fortitude from Republicans have always been projection. That doesn't mean that those accusations are wrong, but it's worth pointing out regardless.
I am aware most don't really like Biden here, but I am genuinely unsure how dems will win in November when they only have 3 months to prop up a new candidate who no one knows about. I'm actually not sure why the general reaction to this news is positive here seeing that a loss feels all but gaurenteed now. The prospects of project 2025 is closer to a reality than ever.
I get people like to clown on RaikouLover, but his concerns on the aftermath of this decision are understandable.
I get people like to clown on RaikouLover, but his concerns on the aftermath of this decision are understandable.
The media does not give a shit and will likely give continue giving Trump a free pass on his gaffs and mental capacity to lead as they did prior. I do not think Biden dropping out will change anything on that front.
I sure hope everyone is prepared to forcefully push back on anyone suggesting it isn't Harris. While she would never have been my first choice had this been an open primary to begin with, we're NOT having a contested convention. I hope she wins and I hope we somehow get an open primary in 2028 (though I doubt it).
Leaning Mark Kelly as the most likely pick for her, but could see a few other options end up being the pick:
Pete Buttigieg - best communicator among national figures in the party. That said, don't think it's likely Ds go with the uber-diversity ticket or put someone quite so young/inexperienced in the line of succession.
Roy Cooper - don't really see much value in it, since NC isn't swinging blue on the back of him as VP. Very low name recognition anywhere else. Also kinda old.
Andy Beshear - I don't think sitting governor with several years left would leave
Josh Shapiro - ^see above
Will be quite surprised if it's anyone but the above.
Far less likely, kinda funny options I was thinking of:
Sherrod Brown, Ohio no longer has any senators (lol). Love him, but old. Also guarantees loss of a senate seat. No other D would have a chance of winning the 24 race.
Jon Tester, if D internal polling suggests he's doomed in his race already (which seems unlikely)
Leaning Mark Kelly as the most likely pick for her, but could see a few other options end up being the pick:
Pete Buttigieg - best communicator among national figures in the party. That said, don't think it's likely Ds go with the uber-diversity ticket or put someone quite so young/inexperienced in the line of succession.
Roy Cooper - don't really see much value in it, since NC isn't swinging blue on the back of him as VP. Very low name recognition anywhere else. Also kinda old.
Andy Beshear - I don't think sitting governor with several years left would leave
Josh Shapiro - ^see above
Will be quite surprised if it's anyone but the above.
Far less likely, kinda funny options I was thinking of:
Sherrod Brown, Ohio no longer has any senators (lol). Love him, but old. Also guarantees loss of a senate seat. No other D would have a chance of winning the 24 race.
Jon Tester, if D internal polling suggests he's doomed in his race already (which seems unlikely)
Excuse me, I spent the last 10 pages citing how corrupt these spineless Democrats like Adam Schiff were for acquiescing to donors.
Que the strawman argument:
Don't even try to twist my position:
In a two party state, reconsidering your party affiliation after November leads me to ask a question which was directly asked to you pages ago.
Why are you helping Republicans win in 2028? Vote Blue No Matter Who
Why are you helping Republicans win in 2028? Vote Blue No Matter Who
Felt like sharing my pessimistic 2 cents here. Potentially incoherent thought dump
Overall, im not sure if biden dropping out will be only good for the democrats' chances. I'm absolutely certain that having a leader that is not suffering from dementia and bodily decay will appeal to a lot, but the unfortunate reality is that i believe that it will in turn lose them some votes (although i imagine its a positive balance anyway) due to the dem nominee being both black and a woman... the latter definetely was not the reason hillary lost against trump, but at the time there was definetely a lot of misoginy speaking at the ballots, from what i saw online and on social media anyway. And then, you know, racism
Regardless of that, i am wondering in the event of harris winning, will anything change? Biden seemed like a milquetoast centrist to me before, but his recent shady practices, such as imposing himself to the public as a pro-climate guy, yet approving massive oil and gas drillings (i remember hearing about this a lot at the time but i cant find a website i recognize that reports on it and allows you to view it for free so i apologise if this source is insufficient or not reputable enough. not really trying to make a super in depth post just some ramblings), but the best example being the extremely obvious indifference towards palestine and its people by not only enabling this still ongoing genocide but dancing around the responsability with the media and frankly the world ever since it began show that nothing changes in essence to me, i think
This to say, harris has been biden's vp during his presidency. I'm not super knowledgeable on her policies, but i imagine they're not all too different from his. Will the democrat nominee changing have any meaningful impact on the betterment of america instead of more milquetoast centrism that refuses to perform any structural or systemic changes? Will it begin to address the governmental system that breeds corruption like it's an agar filled petri dish? Will it actually cement human rights and their protections (we all know they won't lmfao)? Will it end the palestinian genocide?
In the end, i do sincerely hope trump loses. Personally, i'd rather see jill stein in power since they seem to be the best candidate (the other independent i know of is super nazi KKKennedy, who actually has had literal brainworms. Like, worms in his brain for real. Not joking. Source), but harris would probably still be better than the almost likely world-ending scenario (or at the very least the death of america as a free nation) that would be the 2nd trump presidency and especially project 2025
Feel free to argue this out w me and call me stupid for being overly pessimistic and or misinformed, i would like to be proven wrong
Overall, im not sure if biden dropping out will be only good for the democrats' chances. I'm absolutely certain that having a leader that is not suffering from dementia and bodily decay will appeal to a lot, but the unfortunate reality is that i believe that it will in turn lose them some votes (although i imagine its a positive balance anyway) due to the dem nominee being both black and a woman... the latter definetely was not the reason hillary lost against trump, but at the time there was definetely a lot of misoginy speaking at the ballots, from what i saw online and on social media anyway. And then, you know, racism
Regardless of that, i am wondering in the event of harris winning, will anything change? Biden seemed like a milquetoast centrist to me before, but his recent shady practices, such as imposing himself to the public as a pro-climate guy, yet approving massive oil and gas drillings (i remember hearing about this a lot at the time but i cant find a website i recognize that reports on it and allows you to view it for free so i apologise if this source is insufficient or not reputable enough. not really trying to make a super in depth post just some ramblings), but the best example being the extremely obvious indifference towards palestine and its people by not only enabling this still ongoing genocide but dancing around the responsability with the media and frankly the world ever since it began show that nothing changes in essence to me, i think
This to say, harris has been biden's vp during his presidency. I'm not super knowledgeable on her policies, but i imagine they're not all too different from his. Will the democrat nominee changing have any meaningful impact on the betterment of america instead of more milquetoast centrism that refuses to perform any structural or systemic changes? Will it begin to address the governmental system that breeds corruption like it's an agar filled petri dish? Will it actually cement human rights and their protections (we all know they won't lmfao)? Will it end the palestinian genocide?
In the end, i do sincerely hope trump loses. Personally, i'd rather see jill stein in power since they seem to be the best candidate (the other independent i know of is super nazi KKKennedy, who actually has had literal brainworms. Like, worms in his brain for real. Not joking. Source), but harris would probably still be better than the almost likely world-ending scenario (or at the very least the death of america as a free nation) that would be the 2nd trump presidency and especially project 2025
Feel free to argue this out w me and call me stupid for being overly pessimistic and or misinformed, i would like to be proven wrong
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correct, we are fucked. I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is.
We have to have the entire party coalesce around a new candidate, get ballot access for said candidate, build an entire campaign infrastructure, all in three months time. History says we are totally fucked.
Am I speaking a foreign language?
Party affiliation is for primaries. It has nothing to do with who you vote for in the general. I will vote for whoever the Democrat is. I will not participate in future primaries.
If you want to partake in an election where donors don’t take precedence over you, then I’m afraid you’ll have to look elsewhere than America. Changing your party affiliation does nothing except either make you be with a doomed party or continue having your vote overridden.
This is not a day for smugness. The world is probably fucked. Not sure why so many folks are giddy about this.
Please don’t interpret my words as me being giddy over this, I am simply stating the sensical.
KEY MAN HAS SPOKEN WE CAN DO THIS BROS
Nope, I defer to the Professor. The better question is how can one look at the last three weeks and think the Democratic Party will get their shit together and actually follow his advice?
The most hilarious thing about the Bidenistas now coping and seething about Elites is that they're the same people who were completely against a Bernie win, were 1000% for all of the anti-democratic tactics the elites used to crown their candidate against the left in 2016 (which was frankly the more disgusting version) and 2020...
...and would have been against Biden doing the kind of politics that would have allowed him to create power for himself outside of the elites during his presidency.
Biden could have won, come in, and gone TOTAL Bernie. He IS the first modern Democrat to hang FDR's painting CENTER over the fireplace in the oval office-- he could have like FDR, GOVERNED with the mind of an elite who had decided "we must go fairly radical for a generation."
Even just in Rhetoric
He could have not just ended the drone war-- but brag about it constantly to everyone.
He could have been bragging constantly about his pro-Union Department of Labor's policies.
He could have used the more robust arguments for executive ordering student debt.
He could have gone and campaigned against Manchin and Sinema in their own state over Build Back Better.
He could have been doing the rounds all over left media--even do it with Bernie-- talking about Build Back Better and the need for every American to aggro their elected officials into supporting it.
Have the squad visit him for an afternoon and ask "What executive orders would you take if you were in my seat?"
He could have gone balistic on reforming the Supreme Court from the start
With the mandate of heaven from the elites after the 2020 election-- there is so much he could have gotten away with that would be impossible even for a President Bernie to accomplish.
...He could have governed in a way where he could do a speech like FDR and say of the elites, "They hate me, they hate everything I stand for, and I WELCOME their hatred!!" And have the American people go absolutely nuts for it.
If Biden wanted to, he could have built power for himself outside of those levers fully controlled by the elites-- in a way where he wouldn't need their money, their endorsements, their mainstream media to potentially win that second term.
He didn't do that. He came to govern by their power, he relied on their power, so he shouldn't be surprised, and none of you should be surprised that they can replace him.
A king's power doesn't come from his ability to act, but his ability to move money and resources through people who will listen to him. A king is nothing without the loyalty of his court. Joe Biden didn't build himself a court any different from the party elites, so of course he is not but a creature beholden to them.
He had neither the popular support, nor the fortitude needed to asuage the court's concerns-- so of course, his time is done now.
...and would have been against Biden doing the kind of politics that would have allowed him to create power for himself outside of the elites during his presidency.
Biden could have won, come in, and gone TOTAL Bernie. He IS the first modern Democrat to hang FDR's painting CENTER over the fireplace in the oval office-- he could have like FDR, GOVERNED with the mind of an elite who had decided "we must go fairly radical for a generation."
Even just in Rhetoric
He could have not just ended the drone war-- but brag about it constantly to everyone.
He could have been bragging constantly about his pro-Union Department of Labor's policies.
He could have used the more robust arguments for executive ordering student debt.
He could have gone and campaigned against Manchin and Sinema in their own state over Build Back Better.
He could have been doing the rounds all over left media--even do it with Bernie-- talking about Build Back Better and the need for every American to aggro their elected officials into supporting it.
Have the squad visit him for an afternoon and ask "What executive orders would you take if you were in my seat?"
He could have gone balistic on reforming the Supreme Court from the start
With the mandate of heaven from the elites after the 2020 election-- there is so much he could have gotten away with that would be impossible even for a President Bernie to accomplish.
...He could have governed in a way where he could do a speech like FDR and say of the elites, "They hate me, they hate everything I stand for, and I WELCOME their hatred!!" And have the American people go absolutely nuts for it.
If Biden wanted to, he could have built power for himself outside of those levers fully controlled by the elites-- in a way where he wouldn't need their money, their endorsements, their mainstream media to potentially win that second term.
He didn't do that. He came to govern by their power, he relied on their power, so he shouldn't be surprised, and none of you should be surprised that they can replace him.
A king's power doesn't come from his ability to act, but his ability to move money and resources through people who will listen to him. A king is nothing without the loyalty of his court. Joe Biden didn't build himself a court any different from the party elites, so of course he is not but a creature beholden to them.
He had neither the popular support, nor the fortitude needed to asuage the court's concerns-- so of course, his time is done now.
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fr I hate that people are talking sooo much about Biden's senility but Trump's only slighter less pronunced sponge brain isn't talked about widely. He constantly mixed up Nikki Haley and Kamala Harris at the RNC and just talks weird gibberish at this point. He was so high energy in 2016, a little less in 2020 and now he's really weak
anyways
let's make this reality
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