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I have no words to describe how I'm disgusted by the politics in France. For context : on June, 9th, 2024, Emmanuel Macron dissolved the National Assembly, which led to the election of a new government. I was, at that moment, worried by how far right oriented the new government could become. But I had hope that with the alliance of the left parties, somehow a good part of the National Assembly would join the left wing. And I was right! The left party got a majority at the National Assembly.

But what happened to our government? Macron chose Barnier, a "Républicains". Not only their party did 8% at the election, but the rest of the government chosen afterwards is mostly composed of "Republicains" and people from Macron's party. No Left wing minister, and on top of that, most of these new ministers are like, absolutely bad people for social measures (Transphobic, Homophobic, anti gay marriage, etc.), and for economic measures whatsoever.

Our vote has been ignored because Macron had absolutely no plan of changing its dumb politics. This is a coup.
how do you even have the balls to do that in a country that burns itself down everytime baguette prices are raised by 25 cents

also no wonder that France is in its fifth and stands before its sixth republic when the constitution allows for something like this. A president that can just pick and choose the interpretation of an election
 
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;dr the Democrats are favored. But as RaikouLover will enthusiastically say, the polls aren't perfect. A lot of analysis show the Democrats absolutely clapping Trump's cheeks with 300-320 E-votes. But then we all have PTSD from 2016 so...
New Siena (“A+ rated”) polls out have Trump surging in the sunbelt states of Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina! He’s gained 10 points since the debate in Arizona alone! His captivating performance clearly tipped the race massively into his favor! What a turn of events!

What a crock. Fuck the polls.
 
Genuinely can’t imagine being gross enough to laugh react people talking about being saddened by mass death, unhinged shit.

Most of my family lives in Lebanon and it’s hard to sit with the worry constantly on top of the crushing sadness and pain of the genocide that I’ve been holding for years and especially this last year. It’s been 18 years since the IOF bombed Lebanon when I was there with family and that trauma hasn’t healed; I can’t imagine living 24/7 under the gaze of these inhumane fascists that take joy in sniping children and bombing hospitals, or how one is meant to recover from that trauma even if they weren’t constantly being subjected to more of it. Every piece of news that comes out of the region just makes my heart ache, and anyone with empathy should be feeling the same; I genuinely can’t understand people who think this is funny and a chance to troll others online.
 
Fox News is a fascist propaganda outlet that should have been given the corporate death penalty under the Obama Administration. Democrats need to add that to their platform. Fox News should no longer exist. The sooner we deprogram their viewers the sooner we can get off the authoritarian crackpot express and back to reporting… you know.. news. Not bullshit about pet eating or whatever crazy conspiracy theory Trump and Vance decided to spout off about each week.
On hand you call fox news fascist and then one the other you say the government should shut down media outlets they don't like. Make it make sense

Edit. I forgot to mention what your talking about already exists. The democrats already deplatform (or at least try to) w/e they label a conspiracy theory. See lab leak theory and hunter's laptop
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/23/israel-lebanon-strikes-evacuation-hezbollah

I truly cannot handle this anymore. This is civil war level death and destruction. Look at the pattern of strikes - they hit Tyre, one of the big hubs of Palestinian refugees, multiple times over yesterday. I don't understand how anyone with a modicum of information can't see the transparent genocidal intent here. They claim this strike was aimed for a specific Hezbollah general, and yet they bombed half of Lebanon today. The thing is, you almost can't actually flee the bombs. They bomb roadways and airports, they happily try to cause as much death as possible. In 2006 we tried to go to the airport, they bombed it not long before we would have gotten there. We drove out through Syria to Jordan to evacuate, the roads out of Lebanon got bombed right behind us. There is nothing to do but hope that you're lucky and the murderer's eyes pass over you and those you love, but even then, who can be relieved knowing that every time you get lucky, someone else doesn't?

No ceasefire or two-state agreement will stop this. I will continue to hope for a Palestinian coalition to expand and to escalate, win, and dismantle the zionist state. May all the colonizers flee back to europe where they can't continue their genocide. May all of this lead to the complete dissolution of the american empire, too.
 
Where in me lamenting the mass bombing by zionists did you think your comment was relevant or anything other than an awful apologist diversion away from the ongoing genocidal and indiscriminate bombing? Where did I say anything specific about Hezbollah or the civil war in my last post or “ignore history?” What the fuck does anything you said have to do with 500 people being dead in one day thanks to a terror bombing campaign? What the fuck do you think you know about Lebanon that I don’t know 100 times better than you ever will?
 
Where in me lamenting the mass bombing by zionists did you think your comment was relevant or anything other than an awful apologist diversion away from the ongoing genocidal and indiscriminate bombing? Where did I say anything specific about Hezbollah or the civil war in my last post or “ignore history?” What the fuck does anything you said have to do with 500 people being dead in one day thanks to a terror bombing campaign? What the fuck do you think you know about Lebanon that I don’t know 100 times better than you ever will?
Israel and Hamas is an entirely separate conflict from Israel and Hezbollah for quite obvious reasons. There's different ethnicity, religious sect, territory, and history involved. There is not a remotely legitimate argument that Israel's conflict with Hezbollah in Lebanon is genocidal. I will generously assume you are referring to Gaza here, even though literally nothing else in your post points that direction. But if you truly believe Israel's strikes in Lebanon are "genocidal" you are just off your rocker.

I have a LOT of sympathy for Palestinians who have a fair case for never really having been given a fair shot at success. I have a lot less sympathy for Lebanon which really could/should have been a thriving pluralistic democracy but has instead consistently embraced sectarian conflict and as a result has gradually fully ceded control of its country to Hezbollah.

Lebanon was doing at least somewhat better at keeping Hezbollah in check for a few years immediately following the Cedar Revolution, but more recently after the 2019 financial collapse and the 2020 Beirut port explosion, Lebanon has now essentially descending into just being a failed state controlled by Hezbollah, and since then tensions with Israel have heated back up. Make no mistake that a democratic Lebanon would not be firing missiles into Israel "in sympathy" with Gazans, as Lebanese citizens understand these are separate conflicts. This is Hezbollah opportunistically firing missiles, and the Lebanese government no longer being at all able to stop them.

For everyone who loves to point to the UN constantly in regards to Palestine, the UN is pretty unambiguously on Israel's side with regards to Hezbollah, which Lebanon has continuously failed to meet its obligations on for two decades now, and it's been getting worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Line_(withdrawal_line)
"On 16 June the Secretary-General reported to the Security Council that Israel had withdrawn its forces from Lebanon in accordance with resolution 425 (1978) and met the requirements defined in his report of 22 May 2000; namely, Israel had completed the withdrawal in conformity with the line identified by the United Nations, South Lebanese Army militia had been dismantled, and all detainees held at Al-Khiam prison had been freed."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701

"As of 2024, the resolution was not fully implemented. While Israeli forces did withdraw from Lebanon, Hezbollah and other armed groups in southern Lebanon have not. Hezbollah has since significantly increased their weapons capabilities, amassing approx. 120,000-200,000 munitions (short-range guided ballistic missiles, short- and intermediate-range unguided ballistic missiles, and short- and long-range unguided rockets), and has increased the deployment of its armed forces south of the Litani River, developing tunnels, weapon stashes, airstrips and military installations. Lebanon accuses Israel of not fully withdrawing from Lebanese territories, which is contradicted by the UN, and violating air and seaspace, which is a frequent occurrence."

https://apnews.com/article/un-peace...ollah-unifil-9cdf33e75ce976da77d38349622098db

United Arab Emirates U.N. Ambassador Lana Nusseibeh, the Arab representative on the council, said “tensions on the Blue Line are at a level unseen since the 2006 war. Over the past year, on a daily basis, Hezbollah “has been making a mockery of Security Council resolutions,” she said. “It has erected concrete military outposts and observation towers, conducted military drills with live fire and prevented UNIFIL’s freedom of movement while brazenly attacking peacekeeping forces.”

Israel is killing Lebanese unrelated to Hezbollah or are you suggesting that the girl killed by an exploding pager was a Hezbollah operative?
And what do you propose Israel is meant to do in regards to 100,000 Israelis being displaced due to Hezbollah's missiles? Full on war again like 2006?
 
I have a lot less sympathy for Lebanon which really could/should have been a thriving pluralistic democracy but has instead consistently embraced sectarian conflict and as a result has gradually fully ceded control of its country to Hezbollah.
Are the people getting killed by israel at fault for that? It's suddenly fine to do indiscriminate bombings? I don't understand how someone can just go "i have less sympathy for x country cuz they brought it on themselves", it's just gross

And what do you propose Israel is meant to do in regards to 100,000 Israelis being displaced due to Hezbollah's missiles? Full on war again like 2006?
braindead whataboutism that does not answer the question at all, assuming you aren't outright implying it's justified and morally ok to do it either as a riposte or to somehow avoid larger conflict
either way i don't understand why you wouldn't think civilian suffering on both sides is equally bad, but by using the rest of your post as context (namely the part quoted prior and the paragraph that follows) i assume you don't think lebanese matter as much, but feel free to correct me
 
yes, please let's totally ignore the entire history of Hezbollah and the Lebanese civil war.
Really, they're such great people, as evidenced by their interactions in other situations not involving Israel - oh wait
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_involvement_in_the_Syrian_civil_war

The mental gymnastics required to turn this into “the Lebanese deserve to be bombed by Israel for previous actions in their own civil war” is a helluva series of leaps, jumps and bounds.

It’s okay ladies and gents, the Zionist genociders are outing themselves at the minute. Put them on block, report their posts if you feel strongly.

Israel and Hamas is an entirely separate conflict from Israel and Hezbollah for quite obvious reasons. There's different ethnicity, religious sect, territory, and history involved. There is not a remotely legitimate argument that Israel's conflict with Hezbollah in Lebanon is genocidal. I will generously assume you are referring to Gaza here, even though literally nothing else in your post points that direction. But if you truly believe Israel's strikes in Lebanon are "genocidal" you are just off your rocker.

I have a LOT of sympathy for Palestinians who have a fair case for never really having been given a fair shot at success. I have a lot less sympathy for Lebanon which really could/should have been a thriving pluralistic democracy but has instead consistently embraced sectarian conflict and as a result has gradually fully ceded control of its country to Hezbollah.

Lebanon was doing at least somewhat better at keeping Hezbollah in check for a few years immediately following the Cedar Revolution, but more recently after the 2019 financial collapse and the 2020 Beirut port explosion, Lebanon has now essentially descending into just being a failed state controlled by Hezbollah, and since then tensions with Israel have heated back up. Make no mistake that a democratic Lebanon would not be firing missiles into Israel "in sympathy" with Gazans, as Lebanese citizens understand these are separate conflicts. This is Hezbollah opportunistically firing missiles, and the Lebanese government no longer being at all able to stop them.

For everyone who loves to point to the UN constantly in regards to Palestine, the UN is pretty unambiguously on Israel's side with regards to Hezbollah, which Lebanon has continuously failed to meet its obligations on for two decades now, and it's been getting worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Line_(withdrawal_line)
"On 16 June the Secretary-General reported to the Security Council that Israel had withdrawn its forces from Lebanon in accordance with resolution 425 (1978) and met the requirements defined in his report of 22 May 2000; namely, Israel had completed the withdrawal in conformity with the line identified by the United Nations, South Lebanese Army militia had been dismantled, and all detainees held at Al-Khiam prison had been freed."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701

"As of 2024, the resolution was not fully implemented. While Israeli forces did withdraw from Lebanon, Hezbollah and other armed groups in southern Lebanon have not. Hezbollah has since significantly increased their weapons capabilities, amassing approx. 120,000-200,000 munitions (short-range guided ballistic missiles, short- and intermediate-range unguided ballistic missiles, and short- and long-range unguided rockets), and has increased the deployment of its armed forces south of the Litani River, developing tunnels, weapon stashes, airstrips and military installations. Lebanon accuses Israel of not fully withdrawing from Lebanese territories, which is contradicted by the UN, and violating air and seaspace, which is a frequent occurrence."

https://apnews.com/article/un-peace...ollah-unifil-9cdf33e75ce976da77d38349622098db

United Arab Emirates U.N. Ambassador Lana Nusseibeh, the Arab representative on the council, said “tensions on the Blue Line are at a level unseen since the 2006 war. Over the past year, on a daily basis, Hezbollah “has been making a mockery of Security Council resolutions,” she said. “It has erected concrete military outposts and observation towers, conducted military drills with live fire and prevented UNIFIL’s freedom of movement while brazenly attacking peacekeeping forces.”


And what do you propose Israel is meant to do in regards to 100,000 Israelis being displaced due to Hezbollah's missiles? Full on war again like 2006?

Except Hezbollah have been explicitly clear: stop the war in Gaza and they will stop firing into Israel.

That’s been their professed line since October 8th 2023.

Zionists always ignore inconvenient facts about their ongoing genocide.
 
And what do you propose Israel is meant to do in regards to 100,000 Israelis being displaced due to Hezbollah's missiles? Full on war again like 2006?
Hezbollah has already said that if Israel leave Gaza they will stop launching missiles so the answer is ceasefire in Gaza. And you are mistaken, 100,000 is the number of Lebanese that fled southern Lebanon because of the Israeli attacks there, the correct number of Israeli displaced from northern Israel is about 65,000. More people were killed in Lebanon than Israel too.
 
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The pager attacks are a blatant violation of Article 7 of the CCW Amended Protocol II, to which Israel is a signatory.

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(https://treaties.un.org/doc/Treaties/1996/05/19960503 01-38 AM/Ch_XXVI_02_bp.pdf - page 35)

Israel issued no warnings, nor did they make any attempt to ensure the pagers stayed with militant personnel. This seems pretty fucking unambiguous to me.

The thing that bothers me more than anything though is that we wouldn't even be having this conversation if the scripts were flipped. If Hezbollah had detonated pager bombs in Israel, there would be U.S./NATO boots on the ground right now. If Palestinians had detonated pager bombs in Israel, there would be boots on the ground right now. If any Arab country for any reason under any circumstances had detonated pager bombs in any white Western ally's territory, not a single one of the people trying to defend Israel's indefensible actions would utter a single word in their defense. No bad tactics, just bad targets, right? It's blatant xenophobia, so thinly veiled it may as well not be veiled at all.
 
I have a lot less sympathy for Lebanon which really could/should have been a thriving pluralistic democracy but has instead consistently embraced sectarian conflict and as a result has gradually fully ceded control of its country to Hezbollah.
And what do you propose Israel is meant to do in regards to 100,000 Israelis being displaced due to Hezbollah's missiles? Full on war again like 2006?
If you think Lebanese civilians deserve to suffer for the actions of their government, boy have I got news for you about the Israelis!
 
if bughouse wrote that 300 million people living within the borders of the so called us deserved to be bombed because "we have consistently embraced" fascist governments etc, idt that would be allowed to stand.

ofc, white humanism does not really consider the 6 million people living in lebanon, including half a million palestinian refugees, to be human beings, and therefore smogon tends not to either
 
Joe Biden is giving his last address at the UNGA.

Good riddance, goodbye Genocide Joe.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

I'm genuinely curious and don't know much about politics, won't Trump and Kamala use the same policies about Israel that Biden did?

Yes, essentially. Trump is less predictable and may be worse. Kamala has done nothing to indicate that she will do anything other than continuing Biden's policies.

Neither should be taken too seriously as nothing said on the campaign trail really matters, but as of now there's no reason to believe the election will result in things getting better in Gaza.
 
Yes, essentially. Trump is less predictable and may be worse.

Disagree. Trump is more predictable. He is currently accusing American Jews of betraying their heritage, if they don’t vote for him: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/22/warnock-trump-jewish-voters-00180394

This is one of the oldest anti-semitic tropes in the book, by the way, that he is now using.

Kamala has done nothing to indicate that she will do anything other than continuing Biden's policies.

Neither should be taken too seriously as nothing said on the campaign trail really matters, but as of now there's no reason to believe the election will result in things getting better in Gaza.

I agree with this. If anything, Kamala is now likely to be worse than Biden.

Given her background, you would expect her to uphold the rule of law (including international law). She made a minor criticism of Israel a few months back as VP and never said anything the like again when it became clear she would be going for the leadership of the United States.
 
My point that Trump was less predictable was just to say that, even more than most politicians, what he says aligns so little with truth that it's hard to say exactly what outcomes a Trump presidency would hold. You're right that what he's saying is worse than Kamala. But his actual administration may be so dysfunctional or deviant from his rhetoric that he's harder to "predict" so to speak. Whereas Kamala has a clear "truth" being obscured, Trump is chaotic. He may flip flop l depending on what he thinks will be popular, while Kamala is more predictable by comparison.

Not really a meaningful point, of course. Just wanted to clarify what I meant.
 
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My point that Trump was less predictable was just to say that, even more than most politicians, what he says aligns so little with truth that it's hard to say exactly what outcomes a Trump presidency would hold. You're right that what he's saying is worse than Kamala. But his actual administration may be so dysfunctional or deviant from his rhetoric that he's harder to "predict" so to speak. Whereas Kamala has a clear "truth" being obscured, Trump is chaotic. He may flip flop l depending on what he thinks will be popular, while Kamala is more predictable by comparison.

Not really a meaningful point, of course. Just wanted to clarify what I meant.
I think that’s a very good point actually.
 
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