What are you talking about? Mega Garchomp is terrible, it was only OU by technicality (since it can't exactly be tiered lower than regular Garchomp). It has consistently been an absolute downgrade from regular Garchomp, a waste of your Mega slot, and seen near zero usage, even in Gen 8 and 9 NatDex where it has access to Scale Shot. And it doesn't fair any better in VGC either.
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No Guard in Honedge and Doublade feels so out of place, their movepools get no notable benefits whatsoever. So that Stance Charge ability, I wonder if they were planning in counting their sheaths as new formes...
Not gonna claim to be super knowledgeable on exactly how it operates, but per the most recent SM OU viability rankings, Mega Garchomp is at a pretty respectable B rank alongside Zapdos and Celesteela. Obviously not a showstopped but it ain't that bad.
Also, Clawitzer being that much weaker makes me wonder if Mega Launcher was going to be stronger somehow. Maybe it was going to boost Hydro Pump? I'd say it could've been a signature move, but those didn't become common on less relevant pokemon til Gen 7.
The Typhlosion allegations hit the mainstream media. The west is finished
Its time to Cyndaquit. It's Quilover. He's Typhlodone.
I wonder if this is enough bad PR to give it the unpersoning treatment for the near future.
I will say there was another forbes article I saw that took a different tone but probably also still not something TPC would like, though it mostly just talks about dumb tweets they saw.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidi...on-fans-dont-understand-the-game-freak-leaks/
On that note, these articles point out general comparisons to Greek myths and Japanese folklore, but it's actually much more derivative of a single Haida myth of the bear mother. Rapidash's also specifically names Native American themes in the first line.
I don't know, Nintendo owns a big chunk of Pokemon and isn't exactly sad at the idea of arbitrarly nuking someone's life for leaking some data or pirating a game.
If the leaker gets caught they probably will wish they were never born.
First thoughts on what Yung Dramps said in their post:
LZA for Switch 1 then Gen 10 for Switch 2 makes enough sense to me. If Switch 2 has backwards capability that's no problem for LZA. Whether they'll cross-gen Gen 10, well from past experiences no. At their current capability GF is pushing the Switch hardware (they're not but GF refuses to adopt better programming practices; maybe this will be the Gen that Nintendo slaps them and forces them to higher better programmers) so they would want the extra power the Switch 2 will provide.
"Gaia" in Greek Mythology is the personification of Earth itself, and thus the name has become synonymous with "Earth" (as well as her Roman counterpart's name, Terra). In addition to this being the 10th core series gen, Pokemon's 30th Anniversary is coming up in 2026, so it sounds like GF is going to plan something big and global. "Gaia" may or may not be hinting at a Greece region (give me ALL that Greek Mythological Pokemon), though aside from that I would be guessing there's going to be plenty of references to all the other regions. Also, we jumped around to a small Asian-inspired region & equally are large location in the Unovan sea for SV's DLC, that could have been an experiment and hint of things to with DLC for Gen 10 taking us all over to familiar though new locations in past regions.
Well it was sure nice for the leakers not to spoil upcoming games... would have also been nice if they didn't dox GF employees too. Unfortunately this leak comes with some baggage that pushes it from morally in the grey (as past leaks have been) to absolutely criminal. You can argue or not whether GF (which also extents to Pokemon Company and further extent Nintendo) deserve to be hacked or not, but it's unacceptable for the employees to be targeted and have their personal information revealed.
LZA being finished I'll take with a grain of salt. There's a difference between the game being "alpha" (workable product but still missing planned content) to "beta" (product has all atm planned content and is now being polished) and especially "gold". If LZA is "finished" I'd be betting it was likely in the alpha stage, not only is there planned content still not fully integrated but also still needs polishing to HOPEFULLY look and run nicely.
Modders gonna have a fun time with HGSS & BW2 source code.
A "Synapse" is a structure between neurons (nerve cells) to pass an electronic or chemical signal to one another, it's how they communicate and pass information along to know how to function. I suppose that's a good codename for a Pokemon MMO project as, like with any other Pokemon game, a major feature of it would be players connecting with one another to battle, compete, raid & trade. And that's all I really have to say about that, unless there's further details it's a pretty generic codename if you think about it. As for ILCA being involved, well it's not a core series title so they don't have to worry about GF tying them down to decade old code so we'll see how they do (though I imagine for a MMO project they'll also have GameFreak, Creatures Inc, and maybe Nintendo also pitching in).
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I'll go over ALL the beta sprites & Pokemon at a later time. So looking through the posted website I guess the next things are the upcoming movies:
Pokemon Movie 24, Codename "Bauer". "Bauer" is a German word usually used as a surname thus I'm not completely sure if that's the word they're using or it's either a romanization of a Japanese word or Japanese version of an English word that was translated back. Unlike the recent movies which was a reboot but still featured an alternate version of Ash, this is a complete reboot with two protags in Kanto and features Mew (though I'm sure they'll fit Pikachu in there somewhere, probably Eevee too). It's meant to reconnect with lapse fans (and I'm guessing they're going for a global audience with both protags being the English and Japanese word for "light") and cover modern issues such as cyber bullying and suicide... well that got heavy quick. I sure hope Pokemon Company knows what they're getting into, those are very serious topics whose message you don't want to fumble.
12 Episode series, Codename "Reload" co-produced by Twin Engine (the parent company of Studio Colorido). This sounds to be more than just a stream series as it's going to be broken into four 3-episode groups (each episode is 21 minutes), be released throughout the year, and get a Japanese theatrical release simultaneously. Okay. Though a wrinkle: it was planned for 2023 and its current status is unknown (which means anywhere between its in production to it was cancelled). "Reload" doesn't really give a hint on what it could be, unless we're going to watch 12 instances from the perspective of the player character going through a Groundhog Day loop as the real world player keeps reloading their game to get a result that they want
."Game Boy", a Live-action movie grouped alongside Detective Pikachu & its sequel. While the title makes it sound like something that would be a real world thing, it more sounds like it takes place in a Pokemon world as in additional of exploring the bonds between people it also explores bonds between Pokemon themselves, huh?
So the Gym Leader design sheets I found don't include Elesa or Brycen (though oddly has Professor Rowan), so if those exist I'd appreciate if someone linked me to them.
Skyla:
First one and already a batch to unpack with her nickname being "Sexy Pilot". Not only that, further down it notes she's slim except has a large chest, she wears hot pants and a tank top (with a note saying "more exposure"), and the people she's compared to are "Isabella" Fontana (I think they meant Isabeli Fontana, a Brazilian fashion model) and Jennifer Lopez. She was also supposed to have dark eyes, though I guess that was changed last minute to blue eyes to match her Typing more.
She was also meant to be Hispanic, noted to have brown skin and thus compared to the Fontana and Lopez. In addition to the cheerful and bit flighty personality we know she has, she was also supposed to have a "ethnic temperament". (For the love of Arceus, just go to a porn site on your own time and keep your fetish out of your work)
She's apparently good at "water"/swimming... tell me she's not a good pilot by not telling me she's not a good pilot.
For the Gym it was originally going to be on the cargo plane instead of inside the warehouse, the Gym Trainers being the crew. The crew are all tough males though they admire Skyla and call her "aneki" (Japanese honorific for "older sister").
Finally some info on Mistalton City, since its high up in the mountains its secluded and many people working their are distant relatives, all originally immigrants who speak their home language.
Clay:
Was meant to be 55 years old.
His nationality was already revealed to be Japanese. Born into a poor family and struggling to make a living, he moved to Unova (codename NEWWORLD) in search of a dream.
Successful businessman, president of an excavation company in the neighboring Mt. Outstanding (huh, thinking about it we never got a name for the mountain that Chargestone Cave and Mistrlaton Cave are in). Super serious and treats everything business-like. Infact he's a Gym Leader in order to train his employees which are his Gym Trainers who respect him and call him "King". It also mentioned he fights with the player (not sure if they mean the Gym Battle or was supposed to be argumentative) but his business gets damaged by the "Hakai" group (codename for Team Plasma?). Also, apparently Lenora's father was a former employee of his.
It lists two things he's not good at: Judo (rather random) & Children (hilarious in hindsight; though the document notes he only has a wife).
Lenora:
Oh boy, we're already starting with her nickname: Big Mama (which is a little less subtle than "Natural-born Mama", her Japanese trainer title). Oh, but we can dig this hole deeper. Now, tbf, they note her occupation is "Scholar" (and she's also meant to be half African & half British). But then we get to family which includes: 3 sisters, 4 brothers, and 3 husbands (also, her sole dislikes: handsome men). But what does she like? Housework, especially sewing (GF why
).Let's just jump to her description. Lenora is a biologist who likes to study Pokemon bones which also include fossil bone research (eh, mixing fields of study there GF. Studying bones is a field in biology, osteology, however its not quite the same as studying fossilized bones which is a part of paleontology). This was because when she was young her father (who worked for Clay, remember) would bring back fossil bones he found while mining as souvenirs. She still runs the museum, and the Gym Trainers all call her "Big Mama" because they're all her brothers and sisters who she had helped raise as the eldest daughter. Yes, that's why GF keeps calling Lenora "mama", it's because originally it was her family running the museum, a concept that got scrapped in development.
Physical appearance, it's not as shameless as Skyla, but they got pretty specific. Average chest, slender waist, and... voluminous buttocks. I take it back, it's just as shameless, especially when two of the people she's compared to are Beyonce and Pam Grier. "Easy delivery style"... did they just write down she had good childbearing hips?! That's it, we're done. WE'RE DONE! Only other interesting fact is she was going to be more dressed as a Professor wearing a white lab coat and glasses. Maybe it's a good thing Elesa was left out (as far as I know)...
Cilan, Cress, & Chili:
The "Naughty Triangle". No, they're still waiters. I got no idea.
They're British-white. They sure are.
Huh, apparently they have a sister, or at least originally.
So each has a favorite sport. Cilan likes baseball, Cress likes basketball, and Chili likes American football. Though apparently they have difficulty studying because they study together (I think that's what it's trying to say?).
Things get weird in the description because it's all singular. At first I thought maybe they were talking about the triplets father, but I think for some reason they're referring to the triplets as a single person. They're waiters and Gym Leaders in their parents restaurant, also holding Pokemon shows where they battle the adult patrons. And they're so busy with serving and performing they've never left their home city.
Appearance-wise the only difference between them was their eye color, they were all going to have blonde hair. Finally they were compared with two other groups. One is the Matsuno sextuplets from the manga Osomatsu-kun (a very popular gag manga) and the other, for some reason but at least explains why they were imagined with blonde hair, was American boy band Hanson (the three brothers aren't triplets but I guess they were going more for personality here).
Burgh:
Oddly Burgh has no codename. Though we do know from other interviews that Burgh was a Gym Leader made by committee by the woman staff members for what they find attractive in a guy, so let's see what the ladies came up with.
Ah, Italian, of course. And his special skills are woman and Bug-types; meanwhile he's not good with electrical appliances. 'kay.
Super famous artist whose medium is Pokemon (chosen due to how diverse Pokemon are in colors and shapes), the wealthy love his art. He owns an atelier (a workshop, which I guess is his Gym?) and his apartment is on the top floor of a skyscraper, but he's rarely in it because he has a wanderlust so goes looking for Bug-types along the road and in caves; not very social but an innocent & good character.
Yeah, it's all pretty much what we come to expect of Burgh. The people he's compared to is Vincent Gallo (who apparently has a huge cult following in Japan), Johnny Depp, and a Japanese comedy called "Ungirls".
Drayden:
69 years old, nice.
He was designed to be German, I can see it.
Family is interesting. Not only does it list him having both and son and daughter, but it also lists a grandson and notes he's living alone (or rather at boarding school...).
Wait, personality is "gentlemanly, stubborn nihilist". Nihilist?
And now at hobbies I think whoever wrote this made a mistake. They wrote that a thing he is not good at is wrestling (& exercise)... except that's going to be contradicted several times.
Actually I think whoever is writing this must be getting tired, because I'm having a bit of trouble making heads or tails out of what is being written. From what I can read of his description, he excelled in his studies at a young age and went into politics becoming a city council member and eventually mayor. Under his leadership the city has grown huge but might now be at its limits. It's also here it says his body surpasses that of a professional wrestler and wrestling is one of his hobbies. But everything else is just a sentence with random words inserted in, I'm assuming this was all translated from Japanese so feeling especially here a lot of meaning has been lost in translation (or more likely just not translated very well). The only last bit I just figured out was that he met Iris (codename "W") by chance and, seeing her hidden potential, trained her to be his successor, something which we know from the games.
More random words for his appearance, did AI translate this? At least for his clothes we learn he was planned to wear a monocle, frock coat, and carry a stick (guessing a walking cane?) with a dragon design; like a buffed up Mr. Monopoly (who stole Mr. Peanuts monocle).
And if you're still not convinced he's a wrestler, one of the people he's compared to is Hulk Hogan. The others are Herbert von Karajan (a famous but controversial Austrian conductor, I guess he was picked for how he dressed) and Arthur Schopenhauer (a German philosopher who had nihilist views... still feels like an odd trait to give to Drayden).
Iris:
And finally Iris who is Middle Eastern.
Not really a lot here we didn't already know about Iris. Mentions she has a strong bond with a Pokemon that was born on the same day as her and treating it like a sibling, but we don't ever see this. Closest is Pokemon Masters mentioning her Haxorus used to be an Axew she knew from the Village of Dragons (even mentioning they were like sisters) and loved playing in her hair, but that's more of a reference to the anime. Though a notable change is that, instead of Iris agreeing to become Drayden's successor as long as she became a Pokemon Champion, this says Iris doesn't really understand the whole "successor" thing and wants to become a Pokemon Breeder.
No people Iris is compared to, instead the images provided shows fancy middle-eastern jewelry that she's adorned in. She was also described to be wearing a jellabiya though they didn't go that far in the end (and the most extravagant piece of jewelry she ever wears is a crown in her Champion dress).
Still have Rowan's to do but it's sort of a different design doc so I'll go over it next time.
Interesting they tried to give each Gym Leader a different ethnicity. If I had to guess, Elesa was probably French and Brycen was maybe Chinese.
I also wonder if the Elite Four and Alder were also supposed to be different ethnicities. If Lenora was half African/half British, than I'm going to say Marshal was completely African American. Grimsley is totally Central European with his vampire aesthetic. Caitlin is a bit of an odd one as she's from Sinnoh so is technically Japanese, though she's also dressed like a European princess. Shauntal I got no clue. However Alder I do get Latin American vibes from.
I'll try posting more tomorrow.
There is no proof of Synapse being an MMO, it was just a misunderstandingFirst thoughts on what Yung Dramps said in their post:
LZA for Switch 1 then Gen 10 for Switch 2 makes enough sense to me. If Switch 2 has backwards capability that's no problem for LZA. Whether they'll cross-gen Gen 10, well from past experiences no. At their current capability GF is pushing the Switch hardware (they're not but GF refuses to adopt better programming practices; maybe this will be the Gen that Nintendo slaps them and forces them to higher better programmers) so they would want the extra power the Switch 2 will provide.
"Gaia" in Greek Mythology is the personification of Earth itself, and thus the name has become synonymous with "Earth" (as well as her Roman counterpart's name, Terra). In addition to this being the 10th core series gen, Pokemon's 30th Anniversary is coming up in 2026, so it sounds like GF is going to plan something big and global. "Gaia" may or may not be hinting at a Greece region (give me ALL that Greek Mythological Pokemon), though aside from that I would be guessing there's going to be plenty of references to all the other regions. Also, we jumped around to a small Asian-inspired region & equally are large location in the Unovan sea for SV's DLC, that could have been an experiment and hint of things to with DLC for Gen 10 taking us all over to familiar though new locations in past regions.
Well it was sure nice for the leakers not to spoil upcoming games... would have also been nice if they didn't dox GF employees too. Unfortunately this leak comes with some baggage that pushes it from morally in the grey (as past leaks have been) to absolutely criminal. You can argue or not whether GF (which also extents to Pokemon Company and further extent Nintendo) deserve to be hacked or not, but it's unacceptable for the employees to be targeted and have their personal information revealed.
LZA being finished I'll take with a grain of salt. There's a difference between the game being "alpha" (workable product but still missing planned content) to "beta" (product has all atm planned content and is now being polished) and especially "gold". If LZA is "finished" I'd be betting it was likely in the alpha stage, not only is there planned content still not fully integrated but also still needs polishing to HOPEFULLY look and run nicely.
Modders gonna have a fun time with HGSS & BW2 source code.
A "Synapse" is a structure between neurons (nerve cells) to pass an electronic or chemical signal to one another, it's how they communicate and pass information along to know how to function. I suppose that's a good codename for a Pokemon MMO project as, like with any other Pokemon game, a major feature of it would be players connecting with one another to battle, compete, raid & trade. And that's all I really have to say about that, unless there's further details it's a pretty generic codename if you think about it. As for ILCA being involved, well it's not a core series title so they don't have to worry about GF tying them down to decade old code so we'll see how they do (though I imagine for a MMO project they'll also have GameFreak, Creatures Inc, and maybe Nintendo also pitching in).
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I'll go over ALL the beta sprites & Pokemon at a later time. So looking through the posted website I guess the next things are the upcoming movies:
Pokemon Movie 24, Codename "Bauer". "Bauer" is a German word usually used as a surname thus I'm not completely sure if that's the word they're using or it's either a romanization of a Japanese word or Japanese version of an English word that was translated back. Unlike the recent movies which was a reboot but still featured an alternate version of Ash, this is a complete reboot with two protags in Kanto and features Mew (though I'm sure they'll fit Pikachu in there somewhere, probably Eevee too). It's meant to reconnect with lapse fans (and I'm guessing they're going for a global audience with both protags being the English and Japanese word for "light") and cover modern issues such as cyber bullying and suicide... well that got heavy quick. I sure hope Pokemon Company knows what they're getting into, those are very serious topics whose message you don't want to fumble.
12 Episode series, Codename "Reload" co-produced by Twin Engine (the parent company of Studio Colorido). This sounds to be more than just a stream series as it's going to be broken into four 3-episode groups (each episode is 21 minutes), be released throughout the year, and get a Japanese theatrical release simultaneously. Okay. Though a wrinkle: it was planned for 2023 and its current status is unknown (which means anywhere between its in production to it was cancelled). "Reload" doesn't really give a hint on what it could be, unless we're going to watch 12 instances from the perspective of the player character going through a Groundhog Day loop as the real world player keeps reloading their game to get a result that they want
"Game Boy", a Live-action movie grouped alongside Detective Pikachu & its sequel. While the title makes it sound like something that would be a real world thing, it more sounds like it takes place in a Pokemon world as in additional of exploring the bonds between people it also explores bonds between Pokemon themselves, huh?
So the Gym Leader design sheets I found don't include Elesa or Brycen (though oddly has Professor Rowan), so if those exist I'd appreciate if someone linked me to them.
Skyla:
First one and already a batch to unpack with her nickname being "Sexy Pilot". Not only that, further down it notes she's slim except has a large chest, she wears hot pants and a tank top (with a note saying "more exposure"), and the people she's compared to are "Isabella" Fontana (I think they meant Isabeli Fontana, a Brazilian fashion model) and Jennifer Lopez. She was also supposed to have dark eyes, though I guess that was changed last minute to blue eyes to match her Typing more.
She was also meant to be Hispanic, noted to have brown skin and thus compared to the Fontana and Lopez. In addition to the cheerful and bit flighty personality we know she has, she was also supposed to have a "ethnic temperament". (For the love of Arceus, just go to a porn site on your own time and keep your fetish out of your work)
She's apparently good at "water"/swimming... tell me she's not a good pilot by not telling me she's not a good pilot.
For the Gym it was originally going to be on the cargo plane instead of inside the warehouse, the Gym Trainers being the crew. The crew are all tough males though they admire Skyla and call her "aneki" (Japanese honorific for "older sister").
Finally some info on Mistalton City, since its high up in the mountains its secluded and many people working their are distant relatives, all originally immigrants who speak their home language.
Clay:
Was meant to be 55 years old.
His nationality was already revealed to be Japanese. Born into a poor family and struggling to make a living, he moved to Unova (codename NEWWORLD) in search of a dream.
Successful businessman, president of an excavation company in the neighboring Mt. Outstanding (huh, thinking about it we never got a name for the mountain that Chargestone Cave and Mistrlaton Cave are in). Super serious and treats everything business-like. Infact he's a Gym Leader in order to train his employees which are his Gym Trainers who respect him and call him "King". It also mentioned he fights with the player (not sure if they mean the Gym Battle or was supposed to be argumentative) but his business gets damaged by the "Hakai" group (codename for Team Plasma?). Also, apparently Lenora's father was a former employee of his.
It lists two things he's not good at: Judo (rather random) & Children (hilarious in hindsight; though the document notes he only has a wife).
Lenora:
Oh boy, we're already starting with her nickname: Big Mama (which is a little less subtle than "Natural-born Mama", her Japanese trainer title). Oh, but we can dig this hole deeper. Now, tbf, they note her occupation is "Scholar" (and she's also meant to be half African & half British). But then we get to family which includes: 3 sisters, 4 brothers, and 3 husbands (also, her sole dislikes: handsome men). But what does she like? Housework, especially sewing (GF why
Let's just jump to her description. Lenora is a biologist who likes to study Pokemon bones which also include fossil bone research (eh, mixing fields of study there GF. Studying bones is a field in biology, osteology, however its not quite the same as studying fossilized bones which is a part of paleontology). This was because when she was young her father (who worked for Clay, remember) would bring back fossil bones he found while mining as souvenirs. She still runs the museum, and the Gym Trainers all call her "Big Mama" because they're all her brothers and sisters who she had helped raise as the eldest daughter. Yes, that's why GF keeps calling Lenora "mama", it's because originally it was her family running the museum, a concept that got scrapped in development.
Physical appearance, it's not as shameless as Skyla, but they got pretty specific. Average chest, slender waist, and... voluminous buttocks. I take it back, it's just as shameless, especially when two of the people she's compared to are Beyonce and Pam Grier. "Easy delivery style"... did they just write down she had good childbearing hips?! That's it, we're done. WE'RE DONE! Only other interesting fact is she was going to be more dressed as a Professor wearing a white lab coat and glasses. Maybe it's a good thing Elesa was left out (as far as I know)...
Cilan, Cress, & Chili:
The "Naughty Triangle". No, they're still waiters. I got no idea.
They're British-white. They sure are.
Huh, apparently they have a sister, or at least originally.
So each has a favorite sport. Cilan likes baseball, Cress likes basketball, and Chili likes American football. Though apparently they have difficulty studying because they study together (I think that's what it's trying to say?).
Things get weird in the description because it's all singular. At first I thought maybe they were talking about the triplets father, but I think for some reason they're referring to the triplets as a single person. They're waiters and Gym Leaders in their parents restaurant, also holding Pokemon shows where they battle the adult patrons. And they're so busy with serving and performing they've never left their home city.
Appearance-wise the only difference between them was their eye color, they were all going to have blonde hair. Finally they were compared with two other groups. One is the Matsuno sextuplets from the manga Osomatsu-kun (a very popular gag manga) and the other, for some reason but at least explains why they were imagined with blonde hair, was American boy band Hanson (the three brothers aren't triplets but I guess they were going more for personality here).
Burgh:
Oddly Burgh has no codename. Though we do know from other interviews that Burgh was a Gym Leader made by committee by the woman staff members for what they find attractive in a guy, so let's see what the ladies came up with.
Ah, Italian, of course. And his special skills are woman and Bug-types; meanwhile he's not good with electrical appliances. 'kay.
Super famous artist whose medium is Pokemon (chosen due to how diverse Pokemon are in colors and shapes), the wealthy love his art. He owns an atelier (a workshop, which I guess is his Gym?) and his apartment is on the top floor of a skyscraper, but he's rarely in it because he has a wanderlust so goes looking for Bug-types along the road and in caves; not very social but an innocent & good character.
Yeah, it's all pretty much what we come to expect of Burgh. The people he's compared to is Vincent Gallo (who apparently has a huge cult following in Japan), Johnny Depp, and a Japanese comedy called "Ungirls".
Drayden:
69 years old, nice.
He was designed to be German, I can see it.
Family is interesting. Not only does it list him having both and son and daughter, but it also lists a grandson and notes he's living alone (or rather at boarding school...).
Wait, personality is "gentlemanly, stubborn nihilist". Nihilist?
And now at hobbies I think whoever wrote this made a mistake. They wrote that a thing he is not good at is wrestling (& exercise)... except that's going to be contradicted several times.
Actually I think whoever is writing this must be getting tired, because I'm having a bit of trouble making heads or tails out of what is being written. From what I can read of his description, he excelled in his studies at a young age and went into politics becoming a city council member and eventually mayor. Under his leadership the city has grown huge but might now be at its limits. It's also here it says his body surpasses that of a professional wrestler and wrestling is one of his hobbies. But everything else is just a sentence with random words inserted in, I'm assuming this was all translated from Japanese so feeling especially here a lot of meaning has been lost in translation (or more likely just not translated very well). The only last bit I just figured out was that he met Iris (codename "W") by chance and, seeing her hidden potential, trained her to be his successor, something which we know from the games.
More random words for his appearance, did AI translate this? At least for his clothes we learn he was planned to wear a monocle, frock coat, and carry a stick (guessing a walking cane?) with a dragon design; like a buffed up Mr. Monopoly (who stole Mr. Peanuts monocle).
And if you're still not convinced he's a wrestler, one of the people he's compared to is Hulk Hogan. The others are Herbert von Karajan (a famous but controversial Austrian conductor, I guess he was picked for how he dressed) and Arthur Schopenhauer (a German philosopher who had nihilist views... still feels like an odd trait to give to Drayden).
Iris:
And finally Iris who is Middle Eastern.
Not really a lot here we didn't already know about Iris. Mentions she has a strong bond with a Pokemon that was born on the same day as her and treating it like a sibling, but we don't ever see this. Closest is Pokemon Masters mentioning her Haxorus used to be an Axew she knew from the Village of Dragons (even mentioning they were like sisters) and loved playing in her hair, but that's more of a reference to the anime. Though a notable change is that, instead of Iris agreeing to become Drayden's successor as long as she became a Pokemon Champion, this says Iris doesn't really understand the whole "successor" thing and wants to become a Pokemon Breeder.
No people Iris is compared to, instead the images provided shows fancy middle-eastern jewelry that she's adorned in. She was also described to be wearing a jellabiya though they didn't go that far in the end (and the most extravagant piece of jewelry she ever wears is a crown in her Champion dress).
Still have Rowan's to do but it's sort of a different design doc so I'll go over it next time.
Interesting they tried to give each Gym Leader a different ethnicity. If I had to guess, Elesa was probably French and Brycen was maybe Chinese.
I also wonder if the Elite Four and Alder were also supposed to be different ethnicities. If Lenora was half African/half British, than I'm going to say Marshal was completely African American. Grimsley is totally Central European with his vampire aesthetic. Caitlin is a bit of an odd one as she's from Sinnoh so is technically Japanese, though she's also dressed like a European princess. Shauntal I got no clue. However Alder I do get Latin American vibes from.
I'll try posting more tomorrow.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...other-hack-info-leaking.3753021/post-10302974
You actually guessed Elesa & Brycen's ethnicity correctly. While i have to dig in 4chan to find both of their sheets, I can see why Centro might want to hide Elesa's.
we're getting the every-region natdex game. trust me. my uncle hacked nintendo
I think doipy is talking about sending Typhlosion to the shadow realm
In the first place, it's worth noting Typhlosion hasn't really gotten much spotlight in the anime in a long while. It went completely MIA between Gen 3 and Gen 8 in the anime and even in Journeys it only had one small cameo. Both Ash and Dawn had a Cyndaquil but in both cases it only went up to Quilava and no further. It seems Typhlosion is vastly overshadowed by Charizard in terms of multimedia representation and that has shown for a while.
Ironically despite the fandom around these parts having a generally negative sentiment towards Meganium, it seems the folks in the room adore Meganium and love giving it prominent rep in all facets, including the anime and other spinoffs like New Snap. Even if the mon is rather mediocre in competitive and hasn't gotten any new cool tools for years it's still seen as a worthy Pokemon to market and give prominent representation in the greater franchise.
Granted, in the case of Typhlosion, I don't think anything significant will happen to it. In addition to what was said above, Gardevoir is still a very popular Pokemon among the general public and still gets a lot of rep in the greater franchise, not to mention there's also Braixen who tends to be liked by the furry crowd but they haven't done anything about it there (and in general Delphox, Incineroar, and Cinderace do have a lot of, I shall say, "furry" appeal). I don't think the minority of weirdos online will have that much of an effect on how the people in the room decide to treat it, especially when you consider the vast majority of the population who engages with this franchise isn't around these online fandoms and probably has never seen this shit to begin with (which is for the best, really).
So yeah I think Typhlosion will be safe in the long run.
Ironically despite the fandom around these parts having a generally negative sentiment towards Meganium, it seems the folks in the room adore Meganium and love giving it prominent rep in all facets, including the anime and other spinoffs like New Snap. Even if the mon is rather mediocre in competitive and hasn't gotten any new cool tools for years it's still seen as a worthy Pokemon to market and give prominent representation in the greater franchise.
Granted, in the case of Typhlosion, I don't think anything significant will happen to it. In addition to what was said above, Gardevoir is still a very popular Pokemon among the general public and still gets a lot of rep in the greater franchise, not to mention there's also Braixen who tends to be liked by the furry crowd but they haven't done anything about it there (and in general Delphox, Incineroar, and Cinderace do have a lot of, I shall say, "furry" appeal). I don't think the minority of weirdos online will have that much of an effect on how the people in the room decide to treat it, especially when you consider the vast majority of the population who engages with this franchise isn't around these online fandoms and probably has never seen this shit to begin with (which is for the best, really).
So yeah I think Typhlosion will be safe in the long run.
I do think the comparisons to something like Gardevoir are a bit off since Gardevoir isn't in the news because official gamefreak written work had it make moves on a child
That said I also don't think they throw it in the shadow realm because ultimately it's a historic curiosity that they wrote a discarded myth based on real myths and also its a starter Pokemon and those things will never leave their cold, marketing-fueled hands.
That said I also don't think they throw it in the shadow realm because ultimately it's a historic curiosity that they wrote a discarded myth based on real myths and also its a starter Pokemon and those things will never leave their cold, marketing-fueled hands.
I agree.
The stories are very reminiscent of ancient myths but I'm not even sure why these things were written as official gamefreak works because I can see this kind of thing happening in the manga, but there is no way these stories would have ended up in the games. It's also a weird bit of worldbuilding I think because the closest we get to pokemon-human hybrids in the games is humans being reincarnated as pokemon after death or pokemon disguising themselves as humans (like zoroark). I wouldn't be suprised if this was a fanwork but honestly it's just kind of shocking that it is "official"
Apparently typhlosion wasn't the only one, I saw stuff about octillery, the slaking line, and rapidash. They aren't going to banish all of those pokemon, but I doubt they will be making any major media apperances. Their cards might be pulled for a while at most but I think what is more likely is that Pokemon won't do anything to try to not draw any more attention to the data breach.
The notes on the stories were basically approaching the Pokemon world from "okay, what myths would exist in this type of world"? Pokemon are basically animals, there's always been lots of animal myths on various spectrums, and it adds a bit of "real" flavor if you tackle those kind of themes.
So all the misc stories base on real life myths and go from there. The Slakoth story specifically had the note of "Theme: The original sin based on the current Pokémon world." as an example (which, pretty wild original sin, gotta say)
I imagine their length and content was always going to be cut down, so it was basically a big creative writing exercise to see what they could work with. The ursaring story got the most unscathed, while all the "lay with Pokemon" or "disguise as human" stories got relegated to the very brief folk tales
I think the point about them never ending up in the games could potentially answer your first question. Of course I’m just speculating here, but it’s possible that they were written this way in order to figure out how to pare down myths like that into an appropriate tone and scope for a game with a younger audience. After all, the ideas are still present in Diamond & Pearl — Arceus’s creation myth is still there but greatly simplified, the story of the man callously slaying Pokémon with a sword is still there but is much less graphic, and the Japanese text still refers to humans marrying Pokémon, but it’s just a passing mention. That was probably always the end goal.
From what I can glean, the idea is to portray this distant past as a very different kind of world. We don’t see human-Pokémon hybrids now, because in the modern day, Pokémon are widely regarded as helpful companions to humans. But the point that these myths constantly reiterate is that this was a time when the distinctions between people, Pokémon, gods, and nature were much more blurred. From a worldbuilding perspective, it’s useful for creating a sense of plausible mythology — these are the stories that survive from that time, but have probably drifted or mutated over the years as they became separated from their original context, and the result is a perspective that feels very stark in comparison to the present day portrayal of the world.
Especially since a lot of these stories have versions which are basically the same but switch the Pokémon around, it's clear these are meant to be iterative. You also see this with the creation myths where we have tons of different versions for how things came to be. Even just looking at what we got in both regards for the myths, it's clear the versions we got are the end result of the iterative process. Unless we see something solid in game hinting at these particular things such as the Poke-Sephiroth or mentions of giants from the plates, it's best to consider the myth info as just drafts. Could they be canon? I mean maybe. We don't have to see something in a game for it to be canon. All that it means is that the people who make the story hold it in continuity with the story, but we don't know what behind the scenes info they say counts. Pokémon could still have been discovered by Baron Tajirin in Kalos according to Gamefreak and we'd never know.
i don't think any of the leaks will even amount to anything other than "haha did you know that" stuff in a few weeks, let alone anything big enough to impact any of these mons marketability (not that any of them are big players on media anyway). it's not official, so it doesn't actually matter. it's like one step above the vaporeon copypasta in terms of actual damage done.
Now this is an interesting tidbit from it. Turns out Latios and Latias may have been references to Atlantis due to the etymology of their names and connection with water.
Edit: Also looking into it, the concept of the Aeons also derived from Platonism which may explain the reason they are called the Eon Pokémon.
Edit: Also looking into it, the concept of the Aeons also derived from Platonism which may explain the reason they are called the Eon Pokémon.
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I think it was mentioned really early on in the thread, but I keep thinking of how this beta Hydreigon looks like it could be Lizargun, the scrapped Charmeleon split evo from early DP. Its body plan looks so similar to Charizard.
Speaking of which, I don't think there has been any new traces found of Lizargun, which is a shame imo.
WOW. i always loved the latis but they did always feel like the first "legendary just because...?" moment. to realise what they reference is both coherent with the hoenn lore and also a pretty simple reference that somehow escaped the fandom for two decades is amazing.
To be fair I think it is quite the leap to make from the names we got to their actual origins. If their names had been structured to emphasize "Criti" and "Tima" I think we'd have gotten there.
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