That could be what happened, although in my mind I would have expected them to take a sort of forced-choice approach to the “candidates,” with each Gym really only having one actual recruitable Leader, and the rejects being nondescript NPCs who inevitably fail out of the running in some sort of comical fashion. Like the whole “choosing a candidate” thing would just be a pretense for what are actually side-quests to get the predesignated character on-board.
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That could be what happened, although in my mind I would have expected them to take a sort of forced-choice approach to the “candidates,” with each Gym really only having one actual recruitable Leader, and the rejects being nondescript NPCs who inevitably fail out of the running in some sort of comical fashion. Like the whole “choosing a candidate” thing would just be a pretense for what are actually side-quests to get the predesignated character on-board.
In retrospect it's pretty easy to draw a line between things like "Kiawe gets fired from his part time job" and "Mallow confirms that the trial captains age out of their position" to "do you want to be a gym leader"
Because (outside of NatDex) it isn't? The only non-legendary Ghosts with VGC results are Gholdengo, Dragapult, Annihilape, and Flutter Mane which are also the only non-legendary Ghosts in OU or above on Smogon. And most of them aren't strong because they're Ghosts, they're just strong Pokémon who happen to be Ghost types.
Aside from maybe Flutter Mane, they'd all be just as strong if they were a different type.
Oh... either that shows how much I pay attention, or despite giving them (and their Trial Captains) unique Z-Rings they didn't show them off so they may as well just had all similar looking Z-Rings. I get not wanting to bog down the game with a long cutscene, but I don't think anyone would complain if when they activated their Z-Move it showed a quick close-up scene of their Z-Ring (thus showing off its design) with a glowing Z-Crystal. Heck, just have an Option to "Shorten Z-Move Activations" and animate the characters also doing the Z-Move pose.
It's a similar problem I had with Key Stones for Mega Evolution. Though at the very least with Key Stones you saw the different way characters wore them. However in-game at best you're given a glimpse of an important character's Key Stone during their battle intro (moreso if they have a 3D model), and them activating it happens off screen.
I suppose we do have the anime to not only show the game characters doing the activation with their unique Key Stone/Z-Ring but also anime-only characters (also the anime characters may have a unique one from their game counterpart).
- Will-O-Wisp: Doesn't effect Ghost types. (Don't agree, if anything Will-O-Wisp being ghostly is why it would burn Ghost-types. If they want to weaken Will-O-Wisp further I say have it not work in weather other than Strong Sunlight which I'd have increase Will-O-Wisp's accuracy)
- If a poisoned Pokémon is poisoned again it becomes Badly poisoned. (Agree, or at least has a chance to. Badly Poison is sorta a rare variant, though many don't think it because Toxic is/was so common)
- Intimidate: Ineffective on Dark types. (Don't agree, no reason Dark-types would be immune; they would instead get immunity to Prankster which I feel makes more sense)
- Dark Void: Accuracy changed from 80 to 60. Made ineffective against Dark and Ghost types. Final game only has Accuracy lowered to 50. (Don't agree. I agree Dark Void should be weakened, but it's not the Accuracy that should be lowered. It should be a 100% single target move that can override a Pokemon's current non-volatile status ailment if it's not Sleep (that way its different & stronger than Spore, cause its a Legendary's Signature Move). It just feels humiliating that the nightmare Pokemon doesn't have a 100% Sleep move yet all fungus Pokemon do)
- If a Poison type is drained, damage will be taken (Mixed. I like the idea, and they could just buff Liquid Ooze some way even if it's just more damage from being drained. But while it makes sense for Poison-types which are made of poisonous material or are said to be covered in a poisonous defense mechanism, there's just as many Poison-types which are just normal lifeforms which have like poison sacks. Maybe instead of dealing damage, draining Moves of Types that are weak to Poison just don't heal as much, and then maybe also give a buff to Liquid Ooze on top of that)
- Grass type damage increases by 1.5 in strong sunlight (Don't agree, but that's because I think Grass-types should heal 1/16th of their max HP in strong sunlight or rain. They're plants, it makes sense)
- Dragon Killer: New Ability, doubles damage against Dragon types. (Don't agree, like who would get this? It feels like it would be a niche Ability on top of having limited distribution)
- Fairy Light/Shine: New Move, changes target's type to Fairy. (Agree. This feels like it would make more sense as a Dragon countermeasure on top of potential other uses both defensively and offensively. Though missed opportunity to not call it "Pixie Dust")
- Toxic: 100% Accurate even if used by Bug types. (Mixed. Agree Bug-types do need some boons, but not sure if this is it. If there's a Status Move you want to buff for Bugs, I say give Infestation an improvement. Instead of a Special Attack that directly applies the "infested" volatile status, have it be a field hazard you can place on your opponent side of the field so any Pokemon they send out becomes "infested")
- Sticky Web: Now effects Flying types and Levitate. (Disagree. Just doesn't make sense.)
- Icy Wind: Speed of Ice types does not decrease. (Mixed. It sorta makes sense, though you can argue why it would still decrease the Speed cause it's not just the cold but also a strong wind and formation of ice. Also honestly this won't really help the Ice-type at all)
- Noble Roar: Change effect from lowering Physical Attack and Special Attack by 1 stage each to lowering Special Attack by 2 stages (Mixed. I think I see the reasoning, Attack has two somewhat common spread Moves which lower it by 2 stages (Charm & Feather Dance) but Special Attack at best only has one (Captivate, there's Eerie Impulse but I don't think it's as common as say Feather Dance is to Attack). But, from what I can tell, lowering Atk & SpA is a unique effect, only Parting Shot doing the same but it then switches out the user; so there was more merit to keeping Noble Roar as is)
- Electrify: Doesn't effect Lightning Rod (Disagree, doesn't make sense. My guess is someone wanted to make Electrify work, note this was before they decided to start cutting Moves)
- Fairy Lock: Effect changed to last 2 turns (Disagree, mainly because that won't fix why it sucked. Why isn't it just a straight up copy of Mean Look? Or give it some additional effects if you use it on an opponent which tries to switch, like they lose their Item and stat changes)
Anyway, a rare sneak peak into GF's balancing thoughts and in a lot of ways it's not that different from us players (especially with Types that need buffs and certain Pokemon/mechanics at the time that needed debuffs). Too bad they didn't consider changing Stealth Rock to only ever doing at most 1/4th damage...
That would make sense.
Huh, I didn't realize the Ken connection until you mentioned it, lol.
There is some folklore reason. If not Salt Cure doing extra damage to Fairy, then at least Purifying Salt halving damage from Faeries (maybe also Psychic as Psychic is often connected to "Magic" which salt in folklore can stop).
I think sticky web would make some sense to hit everyone. Right now the flavor "webbing on the ground", but a lot of spiders (& so on) obviously make their webs (or otherwise let their strands float through the air) in the air to catch flying insects so this would just literally elevate the concept and probably have them tweak the animation/description.
This post brought to you by: nearly walking through a Joro spider's web that it decided to spread across my doorway and then having to spend entirely too long removing it & the web's strands.
This post brought to you by: nearly walking through a Joro spider's web that it decided to spread across my doorway and then having to spend entirely too long removing it & the web's strands.
I disagree cuz Solar Power is completely nullified by your suggestion, as thematically cool as it is
Though as others mentioned, Grassy Terrain makes this scrapped GF buff redundant
gila monsters are awesome so i think its cool
SM was the last game where every main Pokemon game team worked on, which is why it's much more polished and finished than any other 3D era Pokemon game
And? It really doesn't need the drawback, and the only Grass-types with Solar Power are Sunflora and Tropius, not exactly powerhouses.
A lot of these are extremely interesting and I'd like to see them implemented, or at least tried out or done in a different way.Some of scrapped balance change for generation 7 that are not implemented in the final game (translation source from reddit}
Canceled Changes:
- Will-o-wisp: doesn't effect Ghost types (Dev note: Will-O-Wisp Weakened)
- Poison: If a poisoned Pokémon is poisoned again, it becomes Badly poisoned. Damage starts at 1/8 (Dev note: Poison strengthened)
- Intimidate: Dark type Pokémon are immune to intimidate. Bisharp is under consideration (Dev note: Intimidate weakened, dark type relief) (Personal note: Bisharp and Pawniard were the only Dark types with Defiant at the time, which is likely why they considered it when deciding on this change)
- Dark Void: Accuracy changed from 80 to 60. Made ineffective against Dark and Ghost types (Dev note: Dark Void weakened) (Personal note: it says Implemented, but has 50 accuracy and hits Dark and Ghost types in the final)
- Dark Void: Makes it ineffective against Ghost types (Dev note: Dark Void weakened)
- Posion: If a Poison type is drained, damage will be taken (Dev note: Poison type relief) (Personal note: This one was hard to translate, but I'm assuming they wanted all Poison types to have a passive Liquid Ooze effect?)
- Grass: If there is harsh sunlight, Grass type damage increases by 1.5 (Dev note: Grass type relief)
- Dragon Killer: New Ability, doubles damage against Dragon types (Dev note: Dragon type countermeasure)
- Fairy Light/Shine: New Move, changes target's type to Fairy (Dev note: Dragon type countermeasure)
- Toxic: 100% Accurate even if used by Bug types (Dev note: Bug type relief)
- Sticky Web: Now effects Flying types and Levitate (Dev note: Bug type relief)
- Gravity: Priority moves no longer have priority (Dev note: Prankster and Gale Wings countermeasure) (Personal note: Likely canceled since they introduced Psychic Terrain the same gen to nerf priority)
- Icy Wind: Speed of Ice types does not decrease (Dev note: Ice type relief)
- Noble Roar: Change effect from lowering Physical Attack and Special Attack by 1 stage each to lowering Special Attack by 2 stages (No notes)
- Electrify: Doesn't effect Lightning Rod (No notes)
- Fairy Lock: Effect changed to last 2 turns (No notes)
Other:
- Crafty Shield: Continuous use OK (It could already be used consecutively without failing) (No notes)
- Forest's Curse: (No description) (No notes)
- Paralysis: Speed changed from 1/4 to 1/2, Thunder Wave accuracy changed to 90% (Dev note: Paralysis Weakening)
- Burn: Burn damage changed from 1/8 to 1/16 (Dev note: Will-O-Wisp Weakening)
- Confusion: 2-5 turns changed to 2-4, chance of attacking self is reduced to 1/3 (Dev note: Confusion Weakening) (Personal note: Confusion turn count was not changed)
- Gale Wings: Can only activate when HP is full (Dev note: Talonflame countermeasure)
- Prankster: Status moves effected by Prankster are ineffective against Dark type Pokémon (Dev note: Prankster weakened, Dark type relief)
- Wide Guard: Will now block status moves that hit multiple targets like Dark Void and Growl (Dev note: Dark Void weakened)
- Swagger: Accuracy changed from 90 to 85 (Dev note: Prankster + Swagger weakened)
- Sucker Punch: Power changed from 80 to 70 (Dev note: weakened Sucker Punch)
- Mega Evolution: Speed calculation on the turn Mega Evolution occurs will be done based on the Pokémon's speed after Mega Evolving (no notes)
- Ally Switch: Priority increased from +1 to +2 (No notes)
- Parental Bond: Change second attack to deal 1/4 damage. (Dev note: Kangaskhan countermeasure)
- Fell Stinger: Power changed to 50, attack increased to 3 stages (Dev note: Bug relief)
- Stance Change: Form change cannot occur when unable to use moves due to status effects or confusion (Dev note: weakened)
- Sheer Cold: When used by a non-Ice type, accuracy becomes 20. Does not work on Ice types (Dev note: weakened)
- Water Shuriken: Changed from Physical to Special (No notes)
- Mystical Fire: Power changed from 65 to 75 (No notes)
- Parabolic Charge: Power changed from 50 to 65 (No notes)
- Flying Press: Power Changed from 80 to 100 (No notes)
edit: I forgot to clarify that this is for gen 7, in case someone asked
The Intimidate nerf here is interesting to me because they essentially done something similar the next gen, by instead spreading Intimidate immunity to a handful of abilities... but it was extremely ineffective because they're on Pokémon that wouldn't care about it (Alakazam, Slowbro) would prefer their other more useful ability (Dragonite, Mamoswine) or of course are simply far from top-tier physical attackers (Swellow, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, etc). Making it type-based would be far far more effective and interesting and in fact easier to grasp for the player rather than having to memorize all the random different abilities that happen to resist it, but in this case Dark type may have been a bad choice because you would effectively be buffing a lot of already very strong dark-type physical attackers
I'm biased here but I think both the bug buffs should absolutely happen. They're far from broken and do just give a little extra buff to bugs; Sticky Web is also one of the weaker entry hazards so giving it Stealth Rock's otherwise unique trait of hitting fliers would be fine. It also just makes a lot of sense, both thematically as spiders usually catch flying insects; and for balance because many fast threats are fliers and are made to be that way from a game design standpoint
Grass getting a 1.5x buff in sun would make Solarbeam the funniest move of all time
I don't know how I missed that point. And Sticky Web's description says "The user weaves a sticky net around the opposing team, which lowers their Speed stats upon switching into battle", nothing about it being on the floor, infact it does sound strands of it are everywhere. Alright then, I agree; also, upon doing further research of Infestation's Japanese name, I realize my idea doesn't work for what its actually about (tbf, I don't think the translators did a good job adapting it. Other languages I feel got closer to the point using their word for "Pester" (Chinese), "Harassment" (French & Spain), & "Nagging" (Italian)).
Spider Web is a trapping move, a copy of Mean Look. Though considering Sticky Web's name (or rather Japanese name, Sticky Net), it does feel like GF regrets not making Spider Web a field hazard or wish they could make it one now. what Spider Web does sounds more like a Sticky Web/Net, meanwhile Sticky Web/Net sounds like it's creating a big web.
Just make it so instead of healing in the Sun the Grass-types (Sunkern family & Tropius) receive damage, or better yet no damage and its just a power increase.
Honestly Solar Power never made sense to me why it hurt the user. Like if GF thinks 1.5x is too high than lower it down to 30% like with Sand Force.
Hm, which Types wouldn't be Intimidated? Bug because a hive mind mentality would override their sense of self-preservation? Ghost since they're already connected to the afterlife?
Solar Power Sunflora be like "Where is your God now?"
(Does this look like the face of mercy to you?)
I assume it was implemented, but retooled in a later revision.
Alolan Scyther also evolving into regular Scizor is so weird, so it is strange they were apparently settled on that already. If anything, Scyther is the perfect candidate to get the inverse Farfetch'd/Corsola treatment; getting a regional form that doesn't evolve further.
On the other hand, Scizor getting access to Fairy type moves would have been interesting.
Ultimately, I think these quirks with Alolan Scyther and Rhydon is why they got scrapped in the end.
dragonite is split between use of the abilities 2 to 1, i wouldnt exactly call one definitively "better"
keep in mind inner focus immunity to fake out is also really good
mamoswine isn't good in general, but of the small % of usage it gets, almost all of it is Oblivious
If this is true this explains a lot lol
Looking at the Platinum SVN scratchpads, I find it interesting that Victreebel was used as a reference for Carnivine.
I suppose that makes sense, since both are based on carnivorous plants. But I also find it interesting that some parts of Victreebel's design (and to a lesser extent, Weepinbell) carried over to Carnivine, such as the yellow body and the dark green spots on it.
Which makes me wonder, if Carnivine was at some point considered to be a second attempt at a split Weepinbel evolution?
The simpler conclusion is probably that Victreebel was used as a reference to add more detail to Carnivine, but is interesting that there is a link between the two nonetheless.
I suppose that makes sense, since both are based on carnivorous plants. But I also find it interesting that some parts of Victreebel's design (and to a lesser extent, Weepinbell) carried over to Carnivine, such as the yellow body and the dark green spots on it.
Which makes me wonder, if Carnivine was at some point considered to be a second attempt at a split Weepinbel evolution?
The simpler conclusion is probably that Victreebel was used as a reference to add more detail to Carnivine, but is interesting that there is a link between the two nonetheless.
Listen I love Power Of Us, probably my favorite Pokemon movie, Zeraora was such a non-entity that you could have swapped it with a bunch of different Pokemon.
Really flubbed that one, movie folks. Glad you went back to hit it with Zarude
I fuck with the lower stakes mythical movies. Early mythicals were frontloaded with special powers that IMO has made an expectation for mythicals to be super important.
Mew being basically a super-Ditto. Celebi having TIME TRAVEL. Jirachi making any wish come true. Arceus being God itself.
But like, I think it's pretty crowded and I don't think it's really that necessary.
Magearna is probs my favorite Gen 7/8 mythical because I like it conceptually, overall.
Mew being basically a super-Ditto. Celebi having TIME TRAVEL. Jirachi making any wish come true. Arceus being God itself.
But like, I think it's pretty crowded and I don't think it's really that necessary.
Magearna is probs my favorite Gen 7/8 mythical because I like it conceptually, overall.
Canonically iirc there are a ton of Shaymin and Manaphy too aren’t there? I mean those eggs are coming from somewhere right?
Unsure of Meloetta.
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