Yes, but everytime I bring HexPult in front of Dozo it's the Avalanche variant
-
The moderators of this forum are Finchinator, Ruft, ausma, 658Greninja, kd458, FayaWizard, Shaymin Skyand TPP.
-
Welcome to Smogon! Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon, and make sure you take some time to read the global rules.
Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
- Thread starter TPP
- Start date
This is the average IQ of stall players in 2024
I did not say that I hated long games in that post. My argument is that Regenerator is uncompetitive because it encourages switching. There are more skillful and competitive methods of forcing a longer game than mindlessly switching. But hey, I’m sure any criticism directed at stall strategies is still just a skill issue, right? PP stalling through constant switching is totally a big brain strategy that has just as much genius poured into it as the average CTC team, am I right?
Ban the OU Discussion Thread
Jesus, it takes +2 and Protosynthesis to get a guaranteed kill on Giratina with a STAB 139 Attack Knock Off? Yeah no discussion on letting that thing into the tier is serious at all.
+1 252 Atk Protosynthesis Roaring Moon Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pecharunt: 336-396 (88.4 - 104.2%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
Well, technically, that goes for Pecharunt too, and no one is crying for Pecharunt to be banned. Yes, I know Giratina-Altered is outright better than Pecharunt in many ways, but there is already a mon available in SV OU for which that applies given the massive powercreep of Gen 9 so if you want to highlight Giratina's unsuitability for OU, you should focus on other points.
Last edited:
My bro, no one dislikes Unaware as much as I do. I've always thought it as a lazy ability. It should maybe be nerfed to ignore the mons own boosts? But to say it should be banned is simply too far. There are all kinds of "annoying" abilities but it's def not unhealthy nor broken whatsoever. There's probably 45 different ways to handle Dozo- I'm sorry you just can't DDance with Moon and 6-0 stall lol
-
In other news, I haven't done the math but p sure if all the ppl cashing in points for the cool rewards went for a certain suspect it might have been hit by now. Finch cashing in almost 200k inflated the number so really it's about 300k needed for the Fin suspect.
That said though, and no offense to anyone, but it seems very obvious that no Uber should drop whatsoever. If it does that's fine, w/e, it will just tear up the ladder for a few weeks. We really should be trying to get something real tested though, like TB or Tera itself.
How is regenerator uncompetitive. I think uou might not be the brightest but lemme explain this: to activate regenerator requires to switch (insane i know) and then heres the crazy part... You can take advantage of the free turn the switch gave you or in case of alo its insane passivity to i dont know setup your wincon vs stall or like a setup move. Svou does not encounter double regen cores on stall like how ss does and in ss getting to the regen switching back and forth means you wouldve lost REGARDLESS of them doing this and its just the stall player doing what maximizes their chance of winning ajd getting to that point takes skill. Also yes most complaints about stall are skill issues or you problem. Complaining about someone using a playstyle you dont like comes off as whiny. Stall haters are almost entirely bottom ladder warriors so i hope you know what that makes ya look like! But in all seriousness. You hating stall screams i have a massive skill issue and i cannot take advantage of free turns
EDIT: forgot to address this but like most of the posts of ban/unban x obvious broken or not broken at all are like almost all just reaction farming bait do not get how yall are falling for the most obvious bait or in some cases its taking a jab at the unban pala crowd
Last edited:
I think we should unban Arceus fairy because if u really think about it 120/120/120/120/120/120 is actually a modest spread in generation 9 Overused. I mean, base 100 mythicals have been legal since generation 3 and that was November 21st 2002 and it is now December 13th, 2024. Do we not all agree that an increase of stats by 20% in 22 years* is rather modest? We simply must allow him in.
*ignore that Arceus was made in Gen 4, that Fairy was introduced in Gen 6, and literally anything else in my post that does not seem 100% genuine
*ignore that Arceus was made in Gen 4, that Fairy was introduced in Gen 6, and literally anything else in my post that does not seem 100% genuine
how is "encouraging switching" uncompetitive? is voltturn uncompetitive for encouraging switching? are defog and rapid spin uncompetitive because they remove a major deterrent to switching and therefore technically encourage switching? are wallbreakers uncompetitive because they encourage the opponent to switch by threatening them? is shadow tag actually the most competitive ability ever because your opponent can't switch? my god, just learn to punish the free turns like a normal person. if you really hate stall that much, just run hoopa-u or ursaluna or psyshock ghold and eat every stall team without needing to think
Regen Degen is def a thing and it forsure is a plague in Gen 8. It's not as bad this gen but no need to insult the dude lol
Also, due to unaware, it's not so simple just to take advantage and simply set up. The best way to handle stall is knock off and slowly chipping things in range, making some good doubles, having taunt/encore mons instead of trying to run away with the game with a sweeper. It might not be a skill issue and more of a builder issue. Not trying to white knight for this person because they do got some hot takes lmao but to be fair stall has some great MUs this gen and you basically need a dedicated wall-breaker (or two) and/or some nice utility stuff. It's disingenuous to just go, "take advantage of free turns bro" if they don't have the team/tools to beat stall.
As a ssou main here double regen cores in ssou are like not hard to stop them from doing said gameplan. Also i wont be cheritable on holding back insults if they want to insult a group of people playing a playstyle almost everytime they post and also if your team doesnt have tools to take advantage of stall just period your team sucks if its not a prep cteam for a tour that team is not good and allowing stall to do what its ideally meant to do (matchup fish). I would be nicer if he wishes to speak talk one on one in private and wishes to be informed but i dont like people who are being willfully ignorant.
i wouldn't necessarily call regen a "plague" in gen 8, there are plenty of guys around that can prevent double regen from switch spamming all day. weav is a fantastic boots remover that's really dangerous if you let it sd, heatran can do nasty stuff to stall in general with the classic triple-t set (trapping, taunt and toxic), melm and kartana and lele can just put massive dents into basically anything and outdamage regen by a mile and a half, and i'm not even dipping below a+ rank on the vr yet. i really think it's kind of sad for gen 8 to constantly have its legacy slandered like this when it's one of the best-balanced generations in living memory and should be lauded as such
Good points from both, fair enough. I wasn't trying to slander gen 8 honestly but I can see how that could come across. It's def a major complaint of the gen but to say a plague was a bit too far. Also yeah the anti-stall stuff is really cringe, I forget ppl still do that unironically lol
This has to be bait. Giratina-Altered might not have recovery, but it has ridiculous amounts of utility (Wisp, TWave, Defog, Roar/DTail) and passable offenses, all with a defensive spread of 150/120/120.
And at least Pech is specially frail; Giratina can be a ridiculously physically bulky or ridiculously specially bulky depending on the set. Not to mention it has Draco Meteor and Hex on base 100 instead of base 88.
And also it's just common sense: If the mon is ranked B in UUbers, it might be just a liiittle too strong for OU. Even the shittiest "cover legend", Dialga, is still better than the OU-busted Archaludon in every metagame all the way down to the defunct Ubers RU.
just say you can't break stall
i feel like it needs to be stated 99.8% of posts right now are bait. just throw the reacts and call it a day fellas
I am literally CTC.
Except without the extreme toxicity.
So you are just bad /j
Sorry, you can't call yourself a good player if you're not extremely toxic, professionals have STANDARDS
yeah fair my brain was briefly not functioning
I was just stating a fact that there is already another bulky Ghost-type that requires Roaring Moon to be at +2 to guarantee a KO on it with Knock Off given that was the whole of the guy's post. If that person had focused on your points, which is that it has ridiculous amounts of utility as well as also amazing special bulk, I would given him a like, but his post as is is somewhat lacking. It's sad that you couldn't see that my post wasn't bait.
Giratina-Altered is actually ranked S- in Ubers UU, not B, for the record. And I have gone on record as saying Giratina-Altered would not be an acceptable drop to OU. And viability in Ubers UU is not necessarily indicative of a mon's performance in OU as Alomomola is A- in viability in OU but A in viability in Ubers UU, and there aren't many people who believe that Alomomola is actually broken in OU. Moltres is also B there for the record.
Last edited:
Ok my bad, I didn't feel like trudging through the wasteland to find the original poster who said Giratina would be a reasonable drop to OU
Interesting, back when I was playing it a few months ago it was in B, seems like Giratina stays winning
Thank you batMAN for shedding light on this often overlooked broken. But before we suspect Dondozo, we should look at suspecting Blissey. Blissey infamously invalidates all forms of special attackers, which in itself is broken, as it is a complete cteam to many forms of HO. In addition, while Dondozo’s one flaw is that the various special attackers in the tier threaten it, Blissey can simply run Defense Curl and shrug off any type of attack. This mon is incredibly unhealthy and unfun to build around, and banning it would certainly boost enjoyment scores (which I know the council would love.)