This would obviously break the meta, but I feel that Dragon Claw, Outrage and even Dragon Tail are better than Scale Shot on a DD sweeper, especially if it has Lefties instead of Loading Dice. I know that maybe the purpose of the post is make it look bad, but still...
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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This would obviously break the meta, but I feel that Dragon Claw, Outrage and even Dragon Tail are better than Scale Shot on a DD sweeper, especially if it has Lefties instead of Loading Dice. I know that maybe the purpose of the post is make it look bad, but still...
I see people / YouTubers just talking about how Banded / BU Palafin sets get walled (kinda) by some OU mons (some of them already centralizing like RBolt or Waterpon, idk why should we make them even more centralizing) but they are clearly missing the bigger picture.
Palafin is, tbh, a bulkier IVal with a Stronger priority. And pivot potential. Like how is Dondozo walling mix Grass Knot, Amoonguss Tera Normal Boomburst, or Waterpon getting every single time the CC 50/50.
I think this mon has too many options idk
Palafin is, tbh, a bulkier IVal with a Stronger priority. And pivot potential. Like how is Dondozo walling mix Grass Knot, Amoonguss Tera Normal Boomburst, or Waterpon getting every single time the CC 50/50.
I think this mon has too many options idk
I disagree with letting Raging Bolt's dad (
) into the tier. Instead, I'd nominate Reshiram 
to drop as while it doesn't add anything to the tier either, it hasn't accomplished a goddamn thing past BW1 unlike the other 'droppable' legendaries that at least fell from grace over time. Let it have its 15 minutes of infamy before being sent back to being C+ at best in soy Ubers.
) into the tier. Instead, I'd nominate Reshiram to drop as while it doesn't add anything to the tier either, it hasn't accomplished a goddamn thing past BW1 unlike the other 'droppable' legendaries that at least fell from grace over time. Let it have its 15 minutes of infamy before being sent back to being C+ at best in soy Ubers.
Would rather suspect lugia over bugceus if tera was banned because at least lugia doesn’t have good offenses without setup
252+ Atk Choice Band Palafin-Hero Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 290-342 (96.3 - 113.6%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
I think blunder said palafin is “walled” by waterpon in aims video lmfao. Also dondozo walling it is not a argument, koraidon also gets hard walled by dondozo. Its amazing how even skilled players can have no idea what they are talking about
yeah it is, i think palafin staying depends on how well things can adapt without killing the tier
free miraidon
loses to ting lu and clodsire ( very real and not fake)
+2 252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 387-456 (113.4 - 133.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
outsped by dragapult. VERY CLEARLY BALANCED!
its basically raging bolt without priority. very weak (real, can't ohko blissey!), walled by ou mons, more reasonable than freeing palafin tbh.
i forgot iron treads walls it too. even more reasons!!!!
loses to ting lu and clodsire ( very real and not fake)
+2 252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 387-456 (113.4 - 133.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
outsped by dragapult. VERY CLEARLY BALANCED!
its basically raging bolt without priority. very weak (real, can't ohko blissey!), walled by ou mons, more reasonable than freeing palafin tbh.
i forgot iron treads walls it too. even more reasons!!!!
I love how this thread evolved into a full-on Uber discussion after multiple “no’s.” Like, "Stop talking about Ubers!" ... and then, ohmmmggg, what if we get an Uber drop?! Classic.
I would like to throw my lot in to support a Lunala unban. While it has fairly good power with 137 Special Attack, its horrific 137/89/107 bulk and downright awful 97 base Speed make it a sitting duck for any willing a Knock Off user, a choice which we don’t lack. It also provides invaluable defensive utility, absolutely fooling Ursaluna and breaking Gholdengo, Waterpon with Play Rough, and SD Gliscor with Facade.
Palafin makes offense worse if anything, its a huge momentum sink and offense HATES being on the back foot and its priority checks a ton of offense stuff like moth, gambit, valiant, terad moon, darkrai, deoxys.
Free Giratina-Altered (the one without Levitate), for comparison, Ting-Lu is just a better mon
Ting-Lu has:
-Better typing, not being weak to Dark and Ghost while also providing an Electric immunity.
-Better bulk thanks to its ability
-Can actually do a lot with said bulk (set SR/Spikes, force chip damage with Ruination, phaze threats) unlike Giratina who can at best click Dragon Tail in front of a +2 Dragonite and miss
-Isn't Gambit/Roaring Moon/Darkrai food
Meanwhile Giratina can't even pivot like Pecharunt, another bulky Ghost that not only is almost as physically bulky as it is, but also has reliable recovery and doesn't autolose to Toxic like Giratina does.
And we only really get positives with Giratina in the tier, like another Waterpon/Zamazenta/Iron Moth check and a Defogger that can kinda do something to Gholdengo, all in one, and the lack of reliable recovery prevents it from being anything insane, honestly, Dondozo is even more broken than this
It also kinda beats Palafin, so you have even higher chances of finally unbanning this guy like so many people want.
Ting-Lu has:
-Better typing, not being weak to Dark and Ghost while also providing an Electric immunity.
-Better bulk thanks to its ability
-Can actually do a lot with said bulk (set SR/Spikes, force chip damage with Ruination, phaze threats) unlike Giratina who can at best click Dragon Tail in front of a +2 Dragonite and miss
-Isn't Gambit/Roaring Moon/Darkrai food
Meanwhile Giratina can't even pivot like Pecharunt, another bulky Ghost that not only is almost as physically bulky as it is, but also has reliable recovery and doesn't autolose to Toxic like Giratina does.
And we only really get positives with Giratina in the tier, like another Waterpon/Zamazenta/Iron Moth check and a Defogger that can kinda do something to Gholdengo, all in one, and the lack of reliable recovery prevents it from being anything insane, honestly, Dondozo is even more broken than this
It also kinda beats Palafin, so you have even higher chances of finally unbanning this guy like so many people want.
I envy people who have never played ubers...
Gambit hates dealing with gira-a because its naturally faster and just clicks wisp on you (not even mentioning shenanigans with slotting in shit like aura sphere)
CM is also a very funny set probably even moreso here
I'm feeling dizzy. And Srn can't even axe this conversation because the Ubers can of worms was purposedly opened by the likeshop.
farming haha reacts for the likeshop, smart idea but I won't fall for it
suprised Im sending something in here two days in a row, I think dropping Ubers shouldnt have if its dogshit in ou or whatever because that's just kinda not it logic, I think dropping them is cool if they don't actively make the meta worse by them being included. ie restrict team building etc etc and for what I feel of the palafin situation it doesn't look like freeing it is all positive, bu taunt farms slower teams for one its checks are terad on and most of em are completely ignored after a tera for a free palafin dubsky meaning you might need to pack more than one check or you suffer losing to it and if offense is really overwhelming rn I wouldn't free another threat that mauls defensive playstyles I would ban the broken ho mons ik ik world shattering concepts
all of these pokemon can just invalidate it with tera so its a incredibly unreliable answer to them, meanwhile bulk up and choice band put even more strain on balance teams which are worse than they've ever been
Hey everyone, did you know that if you look at the top of the Ubers Viability Rankings, "gullible" is written in the post? Therefore, I propose that we unban Calyrex-Shadow and Miraidon since we can just use Ting-Lu and I think their offensive presence can help counteract such a setup-sweeper heavy metagame.
Is everyone out here writing their own personal DaddyBuzzwole arc just to get their favorite Uber to drop? Like, do we need a whole origin story for every raid? Does your Uber need a tragic backstory and a dramatic power-up just to hand you that shiny?
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I think if we unban an Uber it should be Reshiram. 90 speed, can't boost its better attacking stat, a pretty nasty wallbreaker but not that much more and we already have several equally absurd wallbreakers. don't do this stall does not need more obstacles to deal with
Unaware, or Dondozo at the very least, should be the next suspect. Unaware is incredibly unhealthy as it fundamentally negates one of the key methods of gaining an advantage in finding setup opportunities. Dondozo is its best abuser as well - if we can’t boot Unaware, at least boot it for a healthier and more competitive (not to mention more fun) metagame.
An uber drop is just one mon, it's limited in how much chaos it could cause in OU.
I propose unbanning sleep.
I know sleep clause is never coming back so let's just go the whole mile and play with totally unrestricted sleep, same as on cart.
I really miss my spore/leech seed Toedscruel. Please let me have him back.
It would also be funny having vital spirit become a top tier ability.
I propose unbanning sleep.
I know sleep clause is never coming back so let's just go the whole mile and play with totally unrestricted sleep, same as on cart.
I really miss my spore/leech seed Toedscruel. Please let me have him back.
It would also be funny having vital spirit become a top tier ability.