It also gets boomburst, draining kiss, encore, focus blast and haze.
Yep, for some reason...
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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Yep, for some reason...
i can still hear it sometimes. the crackle of the flames in the distance. the sound of a full hp bar being dropped, sometimes from a neutral hit, sometimes not very effective. and the screaming, that horrible, horrible screaming. it was so long ago, but whenever i close my eyes i still see the carnage with crystal clarity—rows and rows of alomomolas and dondozos littering the battlefield, fresh-faced physical walls ready to take on the world merely hours ago, now twisted and burned almost beyond recognition. as if i'm still there, i feel the sun beating down on me and my team, sweat dripping down my back, the heat not lessened even an iota by the shadow of the magnificent terastallized beast looming over us, ready to drop whatever stood in front of it with a protosynthesis-boosted outrage or flare blitz. "don't be afraid," i tell myself. "it's over. we won. it can't hurt us anymore." but deep down i know that gouging fire never really died. all we killed was the monster, not the idea. we thought we were doing right. we thought we won. but how much of ourselves did we lose?
CAP-ah movepool.
Anyways, in these times of uncertainty, what are your guys' comfort picks? Mons that you always like to fall back on, whether you want to just have fun or collect ez dubs? My pick is Iron Hands, it's just straight up one of my favorite mons and always has funny things it can do. It's a lot more versatile than I think people give it credit for tbh.
Zamazenta. Always strong, good defenses, speedy, always reliable, can round up so many teams because it can switch in to anything physical.
Kommo-o, its extremely hilarious with its versatility so I can run whatever the heck I want with it when i'm bored (clangorous + drain punch is the goat)
Kingambit.
pretty niche pick but it’s a decent priority revenge killer/endgame cleaner.
yeah no way stall is a top 3 playstyle right now I think it's more that the people who top ladder with stall are just really good at playing it
Until my dying breath, I will always standby Iron Crown being awesome. I went from feeling indifferent to it, to the pokemon being one of my favorites of the whole gen. Be it Assault Vest (standard or bulkier variants) or Choice Specs sets being a deceptively good breaker. Haven't had the chance to test out Calm Mind sets, but i've seens them my fair share of times. They look pretty neat for what it's worth. I will gladly sing it's praises even when this stops being current gen
grass knot lando-t. really fun set, ohkoing your opponent's spinner with your hazard setter is very cool.
I usually like dragapult, purely for how much it can do for any team. It can either go utility with status to check some of the most crazy threats(wellspring, zamazenta), with either wisp or twave and hex + darts. Theres also specs, which is great at annoying and chipping checks down in the long term, and band(the most underrated set), which with tera dragon darts can break nearly every non fairy check.
I think if blast fails to get banned I think you gotta suspect the mechanic as a whole, since it is the most logical next step from there.
If blast secures the ban though that would not be required though
Scarf hamurott is a comfort pick, just fast enough to get the jump on other leads and can really get a ton of value
if Tera Blast fails to be banned Tera sure as Distortion Realm won't be
Ehh, crazier things have happened. I mean Natdex didn't even consider a blast ban ever, and somehow got tera banned the third time
I know this isn't a fair comparison but my point being stuff that you wouldn't think would happen at first can happen as proven with the potential palafin drop as there were no plans to test anything into OU before this event, prior to the huge Palafin unban community support as of recent
Point being povs change with time. Thus why I never say something is impossible unless its a pokemon that is too good to even test
If people are still fed up with the meta if blast fails to get a ban it could happen but who knows?
No point in thinking about the future at the moment
i get what you're saying, but if a tera blast suspect can't get traction i struggle to see how a suspect of the mechanic as a whole would succeed. i'm sure there are people who would vote against a tera blast ban but in favor of a tera ban, but i don't think that makes up a large enough collection of people to sway the results
Terastalization won't get tested unless and until there's enough support for action on a survey to make it a plausible ban candidate. The last two surveys both came in around 25% support for a suspect, so you'd need to double that just to get into range to hold a suspect, and you'd need 150% increase to actually remove it.
Don't hold out hope, and certainly don't try to strategically vote to retain Tera Blast trying to force a general Tera ban.
Don't hold out hope, and certainly don't try to strategically vote to retain Tera Blast trying to force a general Tera ban.
Tio Chico, please participate in the suspect tests! It's people like you who make change possible. Had LoseToRU? not trollvoted DNB 'cause he thought the vote was going to be a landslide in favour of a ban, Kyurem would've been booted from the tier, and your vote would've been so important in making that happen. I know you're discouraged after the back-to-back DNB votes from the Kyurem and Gliscor suspect tests, but change only happens when people who have the ability to fight for change participate. Your contibutions are important to this community, and I want you to not lose sight of that.
Tera itself might also get a lot of people who stopped playing gen 9 OU due to getting Tera to come out of the woodwork to get it banned. These people probably couldn't care less about a Tera Blast suspect.
I will say that even if Tera gets banned (unlikely) I would want it immediately unbanned at the end of the generation. Unlike gen 8 where no-one cares about dynamax, gen 9 nostalgia is definitely going to be about playing the Tera gen again.
I will say that even if Tera gets banned (unlikely) I would want it immediately unbanned at the end of the generation. Unlike gen 8 where no-one cares about dynamax, gen 9 nostalgia is definitely going to be about playing the Tera gen again.
I get the reasoning but also what? The council wouldn't unban tera just because of nostalgia? If people don't want to play Gen 9 ou without tera that is their loss. (I don't support a tera ban BTW I am just sharing how I feel)
i always laughed at people who wanted bolt banned. but after building teams without gking, i understand it now. tera fairy raging bolt ALWAYS gets a kill if you don’t have like, Blissey/Clod.
edit: btw we need more pivots. unban Solgaleo
edit: btw we need more pivots. unban Solgaleo
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Doing a little math, and going off a baseline voting pool of 120 - partly for a number that's easy to do math on, and partly because it's right around how many voters we'd expect in a generic suspect given the Kyurem and Gliscor suspect tests - and assuming that the 25% ban support from the last two surveys remains accurate, our starting point would be:
Ban: 30
Do Not Ban: 90
Assuming that every single extra person who is motivated specifically for a Tera suspect comes in with the intent to vote Ban, you'd need to get those 90 DNB votes to become a 40% minority, which would mean a total voter pool of 225. That requires an additional 105 Ban voters, with zero DNB votes, which isn't happening; it'd almost double the voter pool from our starting point.
Unless the base support for a Tera ban, among existing OU players, has increased, there is no scenario where "Players who dropped SV OU because they hate tera" flip the result from DNB to Ban.
D-speed. The mixed attacking sets are nearly always good on offensive styles or even a lot of balance. There is even that one PP stall set, although I don't play stall. It's surprisingly versatile for a glass cannon with 95 base attacking stats, but the all out mixed attacking sets are best. Specifically, Tera Dark LO with minimal EV investment in speed. Then you usually play it like a really fast wallbreaker, not necesarrily as a sweeper.
Everyone who uses it should know you only need a + speed nature to outrun the entire unboosted tier. So you can actually go 252 EVs in both attacking stats. The only reason why you would even add speed investment is speed creep or to be faster than certain levels of boosted mons, like say a +1 Kyurem or something. Within some testing, it was discovered that D-speed's damage was not very dropped at roughly 200ish EVs per attacking stat. (Though for reference, +1 Kyurem might require more like 180ish.) This could free up maybe 100 or so speed EVs if you wanted to. However, I've not fully tested the thresholds for how far to push that or for most specific important calcs because I found it to be largely unnecessary. We are talking comfort, right? What's more comfortable than just dumping 252 in both attacking stats and going ham? You already outrun the entire unboosted tier. Just use different things for the boosted tier.
My comfort D-speed:
Deoxys-Speed @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Naive Nature
- Psycho Boost
- Ice Beam
- Knock Off
- Superpower
Kingambit is not holding the metagame tbh, and is probably the main reason why teambuilding in SV seems so hard if you're not running stall, HO or Weather (tho HO usually runs Gambit). I think that I'm not exaggerating, when I say that most of the time, either you run it, or you need to have multiple answers in your team for him. There's of course a skill in using Kingambit, since you need to preserve it and don't let it get statused / chipped.
But I don't think that those flaws compensate the extreme power and pressure it adds to the builder. A Pokémon that can OHKO a Kyurem just with tera dark Sucker Punch is something that I don't think that belongs in OU.
But I don't think that those flaws compensate the extreme power and pressure it adds to the builder. A Pokémon that can OHKO a Kyurem just with tera dark Sucker Punch is something that I don't think that belongs in OU.