70 BP spin :fire:
Also offense is by far the most common style rn. Balance and fat aren't very good right now comparatively.
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Also offense is by far the most common style rn. Balance and fat aren't very good right now comparatively.
I see many more knock off Tusks that severely punish Gholdengo switching in, more than Spinner. I also see more teams including Temper Flare. You have to sacrifice slots to do this, but I think Gholdengo is currently suboptimal as the only spinner of the team. 302 Pecharunt and Sinistcha work better imo, and I've seen some teams run double ghost and it's practically impossible to get a spin vs those teams.
statistically, way more tusks are running spinner than knock, and temper flare has fallen off to the point it doesn't even appear on the stats anymore. balloon gholdengo is still a very good option against the vast majority of tusks. i do agree that it can definitely be worth it to run two spinblockers if you have a very hazard-heavy team or if you just really hate rapid spin, but one of them probably should be ghold, not least of all because it also blocks the much harder-to-block defog
Temper Flare is an amazing option on Great Tusk, especially on Sun. I am genuinely really surprised to see it so underrated when it thuds into immunities often and when it unilaterally threatens one of its best checks in Corviknight and immediately threatens Air Balloon and the superior Shuca Gholdengo. Especially on Attack Booster Great Tusk it is a very real and viable 4th slot alongside the popular 3 on Max Attack variants.
shhhh stop saying it out loud i wanna be the only one with temper flare sun tusk
Dont worry, i already did
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2276339643
No, they didnt run any speed on pult, and no, i dont know why
Mixed pult with evs on both attack and special attack with DD and Shadow Ball to take advantage of webs. some people don't run any fast mon on webs teams because they rely on webs for all speed control. obviously a mistake since boots exists and rapid spin exists and fast leads exist and they just got annihilated by a lead sub paraflinch jirachy in spectacular fashion.
If only he had a Zamazenta at the back, or even Ogerpon, who is a decent webs abuser and can hit 350 speed, which is usually enough for speed control in webs, Jirachi is slow af for gen 9 standards.
Okay ceaseless edge is one of the greatest moves of all time in singles though for sure
Glad that gamefreak gave samurott the glowup it deserved design wise and comp wise
This team can be made even more annoying. Here's some recommendations:
1. SubHex Pult with Lefties.
2. Spdef Gliscor for Protect Spamming and capitalizing on para turns by healing.
3. (actually insane suggestion) Focus Punch Darkrai to punish Gambit switch-ins as well as catch it on any paras.
or you could yknow... focus blast... or wisp... but focus punch technically hits blissey so? could be interesting
Focus Blast doesn't inflict pain on the enemy when it hits (also it doesn't). I've unironically run Life Orb Drain Punch Darkrai to have something safe to click into Gambit switches. I think I EV'd to kill no HP Gambit after a Dark Pulse. (correction it's Naive 4 Attack EVs which kills 62% of the time after a mid roll Dark Pulse and guaranteed after Rocks)
this isn't about being optimal, this is about making your opponent feel like shit because they got hit by focus punch. the whole team comp is designed to inflict rage and misery
(this is actually kind of a legit strategy outside of ladder because tilting lasts for more than one match and can happen regardless of the actual match results, so you have the chance to fuck up your opponent's entire set, tour, or career in a single game without even winning)
(note: do not do this)
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Focus Blast is to damage the Mon. Focus Punch is to damage the opponent themselves.
Real talk though I miss when mons could mess around with stuff like SubPunch. Nowadays it feels like Power Creep's made things too good at "straight up" offense to reward playing with strong-but-gimmicky stuff like that or Victini running V-Create for a self-debilitating Nuke.
And tangential to that, also a bit bummed by the increasing prominence of "unswappable" abilities like Beast Boost, Protosynthesis/Quark Drive, and the like, both because several of these Pokemon are power-creeping WITHOUT the ability as a result, and also because I liked Ability reliance as an aspect to build around or potentially exploit with things like Neutralizing Gas or even weird stuff like Gastro Acid. I remember proposing Skill Swap Victini in SwSh "Lure that Threat" to Uno-Reverse Volcanion, and while I only pulled it off once in a winning battle, it was really satisfying the time I got it, and messing with abilities could lead to some funny (even if impractical) situations.
Users with OU viability (whether or not they could try to work it): Blissey, Clefable, Deoxys forms, Tinkaton. List is really narrow which is another issue. I will now hide in a spoiler list funny scenarios that could happen in the sense that the switch/alignment isn't impossible for their standard sets.
- Steal Water Absorb from Ogerpon-W and proceed to Wall it when Grass STAB can't break Tinkaton's Steel typing or Crit you through Cosmic Power if you're a lunatic with Clefable.
- Neuter Samurott-H by stealing Sharpness with Clefable (bonus points if he swaps out and then you stick it on something that can't use it either)
- Intimidate Lando-T to make people regret not using Earth Power.
- Take Glimmora's Toxic Debris away and throw Turn 1 momentum for a loop on the Deoxys Lead
- Steal Regenerator from Glowking/Mola Pivots so they can't actually get their health back (assuming I remember right that Regen checks on Switch out before regaining it, not switch-in later)
- Give Unaware on a Sac to threaten 2 "full power" Dracos on a Fat Tank like Glowking
- Take away Guts to double-Neuter a Burned Ursaluna without setting up (also something funny that applies to the last thing I list also goes here in a way)
And now for probably the most stupid specific interaction on this list
- Gliscor loses its Toxic Orb since its a Knock Absorber. Switches into Blissey to set up SD or Spikes. Blissey swaps Natural Cure to it meaning it not only loses Poison healing, but then loses its Poison if it switches instead of being sacced.
Again almost none of these are practical enough to build around with the limited options, but they COULD happen once in a thousand games, and might be funny for those playing with "I just want to mess with people" teams like prior messages included
When I see someone using Focus Punch I breathe a sigh of relief that they’re not using a real move, I don’t feel emotionally damaged.
It's because Close Combat made 3G Fighting moves (Brick Break, Cross Chop, Focus Punch and even Superpower) obsoletes.
that's because either they didn't hit their target or you interrupted their move. try sighing in relief when you get read like a book and blown away by focus punch (this is the only time it will happen to you in modern gens)
I miss plays like that instead of “her der he’s using a normal move I’ll just become a ghost type I’m so smart”
Me when I Knock on your tera Ghost:
Zoroark-Hisui @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Illusion
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hex
- Hyper Voice
- Trick
- U-turn
Very fast, pretty strong, and has Trick and U-Turn. You can fool your opponents! Imagine they go into their Gliscor while you're disguised as like, Lando or whatever and you Hex. Awesome sauce.
Anyone else always get owned by Illusion every time on ladder? Sometimes I don't look at team preview thoroughly enough and miss that the opponent even has a Zoroark until like, turn 8. One time I was flabbergasted that my Tusk got OHKOed by Delibird's Hyper Voice. It was, in fact, Horoark, which I didn't realize until finally breaking Illusion 4 turns later after sacing 2 mons (turn 20 btw). To be fair, it was 1am and I was in splitscreen mode watching a blunder vid probably.
I've been using Hisuian Samurott a lot in Monotype and my respect for it has grown
specifically any set that doesn't utilize the Focus Sash
being able to setup hazards while attacking feels much more rewarding when I actually have to earn the ability to get in safely (poor bulk, middling Speed tier) as opposed to 'lead off click move die', it's pretty cool honestly
specifically any set that doesn't utilize the Focus Sash
being able to setup hazards while attacking feels much more rewarding when I actually have to earn the ability to get in safely (poor bulk, middling Speed tier) as opposed to 'lead off click move die', it's pretty cool honestly
this guy has to be baiting and hes secretly like ctc or something this is way too accurate to be from the same guy who thinks mola is banworthy
he's studied stall more extensively than anyone else so he can most efficiently and accurately complain about it. know thine enemy
yall dont listen </3 he's obv baiting
stall... bible... VR update soon...
anyways. yall tried ghostless webs? duckular made a fantastic RMT on it. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/fairy-webs-peak-1-2078-elo.3757908/#post-10398326
finchinator fucks with this team so it has to be good.
gholdengo is not necessary on webs. ghosts are not necessary on webs.
open your third eye, blink twice, and see.
CTC alt since the main is banned
I dont think its a CTC alt, some people are just...different :)
in a good way! everyone has their unique personality.
Im a little terrified of how gen 10 is gonna further power creep tbh. I can fully see some move setting 'stealth fire' while burning the opponent and being a 80 bp move. I know this isn't really the thread to discuss that, but im a bit nervous D=
in a good way! everyone has their unique personality.
Im a little terrified of how gen 10 is gonna further power creep tbh. I can fully see some move setting 'stealth fire' while burning the opponent and being a 80 bp move. I know this isn't really the thread to discuss that, but im a bit nervous D=