NOC Lumiose Legends Mafia - GAME OVER (Mafia Win)

Oh I figured out the thing, it was part of sunny’s case against bluedoom
sunny004 said:
TL;DR: Vote Bluedoom

My first interaction with him was in 338 where he sorta breadcrumbed that I should have voted tommy based off of our interaction w/r/t D1 rand. That struck me as odd but not damning. After all, why wouldn't have he just voted tommy himself? Additionally this is more of a playermeta thing so take it with a grain of salt but generally I have noted BD to be "nicer" when he is scum? BD is always a chill guy and is never mean which is great, but the last scumgame I played with him that sticks out in my memory (Zorbees' big city) scum BD was similarly nicer than usual. So these initially keyed me in on this slot.
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sunny004 said:
Ok after Isoing charlie my general vibe in a vacuum is actually pretty null. I think he is active and at least acting like he wants to solve, which is towny, but vote negator seems like a scummy role + a couple of his interactions have seemed a little interesting to me. The primary one I focused on was this, and it's actually going to make me walk back and reevaluate my NE read above:



My working theory here is that charlie and NE may be paired based on this interaction. Either NE did indeed copy aligning's redirection and this interaction is true or the redirection is a pretense for just vote negating CK again. Afaik this was the first time that charlie claimed (unless I just glaringly missed something here)

This post (which comes before CK's realization that he was vote negated) also indicates that either charlie is informed of the redirection when actions are resolved (which seems interesting for a passive redirector?) or it lends more credence to the false redirection theory.

I am also questioning NE's role because it seems like basic mech info that a scumteam would get anyway (excl. maybe Gengar, but by his own admission that one is pretty obvious) and very much doesn't fit the mold of "high power," but this latter fact is less alignment indicative after seeing des's horrid role.

So in short I am gonna re-iso NE. Preliminarily though I think flipping NE would give us insight into charlie's alignment so I could see some value there.
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First impression is this is a good post but I want to check something that sunny should have checked before making it
 
Vizh said:
I’m realizing somewhat ironically that’s all 3 subs, and I don’t fully want to metagame this but I think it diminishes the chances of all 3 of JALMONT/marlyne/Neon being scum slightly
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I think I agree. The votes must've been steered by scum at some point to end up at 3/3 town, especially, unless it's all just SmogonNOCTown scumreading SmogonNOCTown. But more importantly (and this really is metagaming) I think if you're a lone active scum with 3 nonposters you request subs earlier.
 
JALMONT said:
You just asked this in pm?

Can you explain to me why NIGHTEMERALD is town. CK too if you can
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Yeah

CK town because they’re a claimed vig with no counterclaim

NE town is a harder case, I’ve liked some of their posts, others have felt fairly eh. Honestly null at this point, I’ll have to do a more thorough iso but I think they’re definitely not someone I want to vote for the time being
 
JALMONT said:
Who are the four mafia for you rn. Me/???

What do you think about the recent revelations surrounding NE’s action
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My most likely towns right now are AG, HyHy, me, CK, Vizh. That kind of leaves skipper/Neon, pulsar/marlyne, NE and DBD/JALMONT as scum. With charlie and sunny somewhere in the middle. And I could be wrong on updating my AG read this much.

But as I said above I don't think all sub slots are mafia cause if I was scum with 3 inactives I'd go insane.
 
Vizh said:
Why do you say this?
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he's saying his ability steals the mega ability, gets a 1x of it, then vanillas the target for 3x (blocking them from doing their action)

so you aren't concerned at all about NE dodging the thread often, lying about mega ability for no reason, and now AG is saying what he's claimed is different from the 1x he got?
 
JALMONT said:
he's saying his ability steals the mega ability, gets a 1x of it, then vanillas the target for 3x (blocking them from doing their action)

so you aren't concerned at all about NE dodging the thread often, lying about mega ability for no reason, and now AG is saying what he's claimed is different from the 1x he got?
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Not gonna go to bat for NE here necessarily but I think there's a nuance to the lie about the mega. iirc he initially claimed he wasn't allowed to talk about the mega condition, then changed that a day (or not even a day?) later to something else that's kinda vague. let me see if I can find it.
 
man CK basically offered nothing all today how irritating. even less than NE lol

anyways, I guess I have to put this out here to get some convo going while I'm asleep but my mega ability does allow me in somehow access to a kill so read that as you will. I'm not really sure why DBD wasn't concerned about this at all as this was ringing alarm bells for me as soon as I subbed in but I'm probably missing something obvious or misreading my role PM. also I actually do believe there is a world in which CK is really a vig...killing dusk was a really bad way to show it tho lol
 
NightEmerald said:
Im gonna claim now and will be back later tonight,

Host Info: Gengar is in the game
Response: no shit its like one of the most popular megas

Mega Ability:
lied about not being able to talk about it, realized its more of a detriment than anything to keep secret

I automatically backed up the first protective role to die, so now I have aligning’s reflection ONLY.
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ah yeah there we go. okay that is a lie but it's a lie that could benefit town if mafia doesn't know it so i don't think of it as a great scum indicator. my initial reaction to this (2591 if you wanna read back) was that he shouldnt have claimed at all.

i just think NE's other behavior felt more scummy. he did get better with time but first impressions last for me.
 
Mekkah said:
Not gonna go to bat for NE here necessarily but I think there's a nuance to the lie about the mega. iirc he initially claimed he wasn't allowed to talk about the mega condition, then changed that a day (or not even a day?) later to something else that's kinda vague. let me see if I can find it.
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hm actually I realized he claimed backup and backed up aligning star's role (nexus) so that whole interaction is probably real...fk

still idk why you would claim that for...backup??
 
gosh I mean AG's claim just really doesn't fit in the town team. we have

a Town mega cop (idk wtf that is btw cba to look up)
2x roleblocker

and then we have a role cop/vanillize that gets a 1x of mega ability. does that really fit together? I'm not so sure

it's very plausible that's mafia!ag role or even some kind of wolf checker that checked AF, got a wolf result and they were like woah we need to off AF when convenient. and they probably did once they realized one or two of them were burned. did anyone get a burn result?
 
ok burn is not informed.

second thought - could NE's info actually have said something like gengar is the wolf? and then they put 2+2 together that ag claimed af was gengar (I'm just assuming AG said this cba to look back)

I mean surely there just is a scum with ag/ne/CK??? I don't know how CK really fits in here. the dusk vig was just so bad I absolutely hate hate hate that combined with my ability to kill I really want to know what CK's mega condition is because it doesn't make sense we have all these kills flying around. I do have an inference on a mafia role as a result but I'm not going to share unless we commit to mass claim

thx for killing off all the people that share my timezone now zz
 
stream of consciousness time

Marylene - only accused/voted des, sort of defended AG and pretty much hasn't said anything else. I mean the pulsar slot smelled bad to me from the start I think objectively I have to put them up in my scum list but it doesn't quite feel right. didn't vote day 1 x_X

vizh - does anyone else feel vizh has had a lot of thread presence but has really never said much of note? I feel like the question asking has been so much in the opposite direction, it's been tough to get real reads and opinions. but I do admit they have been committed to the game which I like

quick break here - gosh AG just has to be scum right like that ability is just so strong and given 2x town role blockers we know mafia has gotta have some stuff that goes absolutely crazy

I read one page on sunny and have decided they are town.

I can't believe no one expressed any doubt about the des vote yesterday like the play just made no sense from a scum perspective but I guess with no day talk I can see myself rationalizing scum des flailing and just going rogue

why would scum AG announce that af was town if they had a scum check? surely they wouldn't do that right? they would announce her as scum/3p and try and gain some credibility that way. hm. so then maybe NE got the info??

maybe CK is mafia then lol. let's mass claim

I wonder if Charlie/mekkah/sunny has a mafia in them

alight that;'s enough for now
 
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