All Threads:- Qualifiers:- https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-regidrago-suspect-voter-id-thread.3744258/
Votes:- https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-1v1-suspect-7-regidrago.3745144/
1.) 12 Users only able to qualify to come to a final decision whether regidrago feels bannable or not compared to Gouging and Oger-h suspect tests which felt very rough.
2.) The Voting ended with 7 BAN and 5 DO NOT BAN in which after 2 really very imp. suspect test done in past, thoughts changing for regidrago getting banned is possible. King Griffin is one of them and their reason was same as others stating ''Very versatile stats with a hell lot of hp + atk nd spa which makes it a great mixed atacker can take hits nd blocks a whole lot of meta to build around with''. I still don't know what longrat think but it seems like he don't like the presence of regidrago too ig? Not sure.
Now with the context to the above paragraph, In this complete list of councils who voted, all of them had 0 uniqueness in their builds [Murm hasn't played any tour after PL so won't be targeting them and he was actually building really good compared to me and lumii (she was busy IRL)] . I don't think I need to spam their replays here and analyse it. At the end of the day, we stick to the same pattern of building because of being scared of regidrago and keep neglecting mons which can be used if regidrago has no presence in this tier.
For Radu:- Don't take this personal but in most of ur post u made until now whether its OTR or here, what I could see was you reading out the Policies which made 0 sense and didn't prove your point. You kept asking the community to provide a strong evidence (thats what felucia did rn) makes 0 sense too lol after pointing like every single thing i believe.
Rest of the Council:- (Specifically Bern, Delemon and Radu) If u have any idea to convince us that suspecting/banning Regidrago is of no use without pasting your old thread and telling us to read it would be appreciable.
After this post if this discussion continues I would ask you all 1 more thing that stop picking a line of any1 and start stretching that look we are being told that corvi loses to specs drago or some other stuff... Its better to correct them and move on! (Thanks for the Apology)
Well, I am sorry if I was rude anywhere in my post but it was necessary to point you out what seems logical and what's not to me. I hope my post not to be deleted and be open and give a great response.
Regards,
Kala Chasmah
Votes:- https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-1v1-suspect-7-regidrago.3745144/
First of all I believe comparing Regidrago's suspect test from gouging fire (not mentioned in ur post), Archaludon (not mentioned) or oger-h (mentioned) that it didn't got support above 50%. Why?Additionally, at least one person was confused about this ogerpon-hearthflame vote resulting in a suspect despite being a 50/50 ban vote. At first glance I can understand why this looks like an opposite outcome for an identical situation, but relevant context here is that this Oger-H vote was not a suspect vote. The suspect was already decided at this point and due to the timing potentially disrupting PL, the vote went between "ban and re-suspect" and "suspect immediately." In this case, just like for Regidrago, the option deviating from status quo (default is suspect) didn't get a greater than 50% support, and thus Oger-H got suspect tested and not quickbanned.
1.) 12 Users only able to qualify to come to a final decision whether regidrago feels bannable or not compared to Gouging and Oger-h suspect tests which felt very rough.
2.) The Voting ended with 7 BAN and 5 DO NOT BAN in which after 2 really very imp. suspect test done in past, thoughts changing for regidrago getting banned is possible. King Griffin is one of them and their reason was same as others stating ''Very versatile stats with a hell lot of hp + atk nd spa which makes it a great mixed atacker can take hits nd blocks a whole lot of meta to build around with''. I still don't know what longrat think but it seems like he don't like the presence of regidrago too ig? Not sure.
Regidrago's suspect test was probably the worst i have seen until now compared to the other 3 lol.The case for banning drago despite a suspect already having been done just needs to be stronger than it was before. Although I personally probably would've voted to suspect drago, I am incredibly on the fence and don't blame anyone who believes the case was not strong enough.
Since starting of the discussion for regidrago 1 thing was always mentioned, it can be used in any team and forces to use their real counters and we can't enhance our skills by using any other mon. Before radu say that ''What do u wanna use, a grass type?'', I would like to mention that Bo Bobson (If I am not wrong) said in his post that we just don't want to be creative! Nah, hell na.... Firstly, I feel like using some sort of a mon that runs av and have great def and have the capability to defeat regidrago feels very hard due to their bulk and power. Secondly, If we achieve to do the first, the problem begins is losing to other mons and it gets to hard to cover rest of the mons we usually have in our threalist due to 1st mon being less able to face others. Well I have tried it so I thought it made a sense to write it here.Lastly, I want to reassure everyone who thinks the votes are not public. We are not hiding who voted what, and have in fact mentioned it on discord more than once. I didn't think it was important to include something like that in the OTR closing post, but since some people want it in writing on smogon here it is:
- bern: Do Not Suspect
- delemon: Do Not Suspect
- lost heros: Suspect
- Murm: Suspect
- neomon: Suspect
- RADU: Do Not Suspect
Now with the context to the above paragraph, In this complete list of councils who voted, all of them had 0 uniqueness in their builds [Murm hasn't played any tour after PL so won't be targeting them and he was actually building really good compared to me and lumii (she was busy IRL)] . I don't think I need to spam their replays here and analyse it. At the end of the day, we stick to the same pattern of building because of being scared of regidrago and keep neglecting mons which can be used if regidrago has no presence in this tier.
For Radu:- Don't take this personal but in most of ur post u made until now whether its OTR or here, what I could see was you reading out the Policies which made 0 sense and didn't prove your point. You kept asking the community to provide a strong evidence (thats what felucia did rn) makes 0 sense too lol after pointing like every single thing i believe.
Rest of the Council:- (Specifically Bern, Delemon and Radu) If u have any idea to convince us that suspecting/banning Regidrago is of no use without pasting your old thread and telling us to read it would be appreciable.
After this post if this discussion continues I would ask you all 1 more thing that stop picking a line of any1 and start stretching that look we are being told that corvi loses to specs drago or some other stuff... Its better to correct them and move on! (Thanks for the Apology)
Just like that^If the arguments were made using faulty evidence then yes the arguments can be unconvincing even if a lot of people believe it. Just because someone said corv loses to specs drago does not mean it is true and if that’s one of the reasons a person uses as justification for a position then of course it’s possible a community can rally behind a non suspect worthy mon by providing bad arguments.
Well thats understandable someone saying ''surveys are useless'' after pointing out 1000 times but ye thats not right. IDK but it seems funny to ME how everyone are stuck in 1 loop of building a team and we think 1v1 will become the best it can be.What's next?
I would genuinely like to hear if there are notable improvements to be made to the entire process that we just went through. I've seen a lot of conflicting feedback that is incredibly hard to work with, ranging from "surveys are useless" to "we should've done a survey." Please engage in serious discussion about this so we can make 1v1 the best it can be. I heard a few suggestions about tiebreakers, and am willing to look into them provided they fit into tiering policy or precedent elsewhere. Even if we make a change to tiebreakers though, we won't be retroactively applying them to this vote.
Roompoll's are usually terrible imo. People usually enter different room's and vote and then leave with 0 knowledge what and why they should vote. Its exactly like my teacher's asking complete class to vote in 4 options and more than half of the students love to click option 1.Also, the aforementioned roompoll (if you read my tangent) showed almost 50% support for an Iron Crown suspect test, so despite it being overshadowed by Regidrago on OTR, now might not be a bad time to start giving your thoughts about it in an organised way.
Felu out o/
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Tbh I am on deg side and idr mind whatever he wrote in every single post above. I think reactions system in smogon is great to express your feelings how much do u like what a person wrote and I think most of the people are agreeing what he's saying who wants to get regidrago banned. Maybe, yeah maybe you are trying to say indirectly that he's trying to put words in our mouth but idt that's true.Also, as a member of the council I speak for myself, not for the whole council, so DEG as a member of the community please speak for yourself, not for the entire community. If this sentiment is as you say, then the community would have/will follow suit on its own.
Well, I am sorry if I was rude anywhere in my post but it was necessary to point you out what seems logical and what's not to me. I hope my post not to be deleted and be open and give a great response.
Regards,
Kala Chasmah