How does gallade learn wish? Kirlia nor Gallade learn wish. Only gardevoir.
Ralts/kirlia/ gallde don't learn wish and gardevoir learns wish at lvl 17.
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How does gallade learn wish? Kirlia nor Gallade learn wish. Only gardevoir.
Ralts/kirlia/ gallde don't learn wish and gardevoir learns wish at lvl 17.
According to Serebii, one of the Pokemon Center Japan events for GBA gave out a Ralts egg that knew Wish.
Incidentally, I once fought a Wish Gallade on Shoddy that had Shadow Sneak. (Shadow Sneak is an egg move, if you didn't know.)
I'm just wondering how much damage Swagger could do on a good subseeder, coupled with some spiking.
Oh those NY thingy things. The ones that gave us wishmence/wishbliss
Base Stats: 80/90/80/130/110/110
Resists: Fire, Water, Electric, Grass, Fighting, Ground, and Psychic
# of Resists: 7
Weaknesses: Ice, Bug, Ghost, Dragon, and Dark
# of Weaknesses: 5
Ok, so I was thinking today about the thread in the D/P policy makers board, and Latios could become OU. It's similar to a few other OU dragons, most notably, Salamence. I was thinking, couldn't a mixed set work? Well, here's what I came up with.
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The Set:
Latios @ Life Orb
Nature: Lonely
EVs: 180 Atk/252 Sp Atk/60 Speed/18 Sp Def
Ability: Levitate
Moveset:
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Draco Meteor
-HP Fire
First, EVs. 252 special attack is to hit as hard as it can with a neutral nature and Life Orb. 60 speed is to outspeed Choice Scarfed Heracross after a Dragon Dance. 180 attack is to 2HKO Bliss with Dragon Claw after the Dragon Dance. Rest in special defense, although it can be shifted over into HP if you'd like.
Now, moveset. This works somewhat like a MixMence, but it can't hit Blissey as hard immediately. However, it has the advantage of shooting off Draco Meteors at 405 speed, and then hitting Blissey for the 2HKO with Dragon Claw, while the only thing that it can really bother you with is Thunder Wave. If it's not carrying that, then it's just going to die to Dragon Claw. Chances are Blissey will switch out after it switches in on the DD anyways, so you can either DD up or go straight for the HP Fire/Draco Meteor, depending on what their physical wall is.
The Strategy:
Come in on something stuck on a Choiced move that can't touch it, or stuff that it resists (MixApe anyone?) during the mid-game, and Dragon Dance on the obvious switch to Bliss. They switch again, afraid of whatever's coming from a +1 attack/+1 speed Latios, and then you have two choices from there. Go straight for the Draco Meteor/HP Fire, depending on what they'll send in (you should probably know since it's mid-game), or the worse option, Dragon Dance again on the switch. From there, hit whatever hard with an according move, and possibly sweep, although Draco Meteor will likely stop you from doing this.
One notable counter to this set is Heatran, so you might want to carry a Dugtrio to come in for the revenge kill on anything that isn't Scarfed, or possibly a Milotic, which does very well against Heatran.
Here are some calculations:
Note: The physical walls will be sent into it after they see the Dragon Dance.
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Well, uh, could it work? Calcs are rather convincing. I dunno. It's always worth a try...
Can you post some damage calcs for pokes attacking latios? E.G. pursuit from tyranitar, weavile, metagross, hera's megahorn, porygon-Z dark pulse.
This could be viable. I've always thought latias should be OU. She could replace blissey!
But this isn't really the thread to discuss this at length in. Make a new topic if you feel strongly about it. ;)
This could be viable. I've always thought latias should be OU. She could replace blissey!
But this isn't really the thread to discuss this at length in. Make a new topic if you feel strongly about it. ;)
I don't know how useful it would be to see how Weavile and Porygon-Z attack the Latios... Seeing as Latios is not seeing OU play any time soon, and iirc Weavile and P-Z aren't used often in Uber play. I'd like to see some attacks from Tyranitar, Blissey (Ice Beam), Metagross, and Quaza.
Lead Jynx @ Focus Sash
Hasty @ 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Speed
- Ice Beam
- Counter
- Lovely Kiss
- Fake Out
Fake Out cancels Focus Sash. Lovely Kiss is kinda obvious, Ice Beam is for STAB and Counter is to Gyara and Weavile and all the physical leads.
Wish is an option over Fake Out, but not a good one.
Hasty @ 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Speed
- Ice Beam
- Counter
- Lovely Kiss
- Fake Out
Fake Out cancels Focus Sash. Lovely Kiss is kinda obvious, Ice Beam is for STAB and Counter is to Gyara and Weavile and all the physical leads.
Wish is an option over Fake Out, but not a good one.
Jimbo: The set is a possibility if the Lati@s become OU- they're testing it in the thread I linked apparently. Now that I'm looking at Lati@s' movesets, I'm intrigued with all the possibilities...
And Weavile can be used in ubers decently, with access to Pursuit and Ice Shard with all the psychics and dragons running around.
Jolt99: I guess I'll get up those calcs, although stuff like Hera's Megahorn will likely OHKO.
I don't think this needs another thread though.
And Weavile can be used in ubers decently, with access to Pursuit and Ice Shard with all the psychics and dragons running around.
Jolt99: I guess I'll get up those calcs, although stuff like Hera's Megahorn will likely OHKO.
I don't think this needs another thread though.
That Latios set gets its butt kicked pretty badly by Heatran anyway. Same thing against Tyranitar. You probably should've done some calcs for Cresselia as well since it's one of the most used walls (of course). Heh, what can it do to the 100% Lati counter in Sandstorm'd Shuckle?
Togekiss (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP/70 Atk/104 Spd/204 SAtk/128 SDef
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Air Slash
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Electric]
As a leader are this pokemon unique however wanna try a mixed togekiss to suprice. Maxed Speed will not out speed you after 144 Evs with investimated and all others 80 BP. 70 EV's Atk will guaranteed ohko with Focus Punch at 6 HP Tyranitar. With you will guaranteed Ohko a bulkydos with HP Electric. 4 HP EVs for make your sub to 1 HP.
Air Slash are there for a nice STAB and haxflinch someone even more fun to flinch someone when you behind Substitute. And with 128 EV's in SDef does him more defensive and can take Special hit good with 115 Base Power in Sdef. Dont need HP grass or Ice Air Slash will almost 2 Ohko Swampert anyway and has high flinch chance also.
What do you think?
It work good for me.
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP/70 Atk/104 Spd/204 SAtk/128 SDef
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Air Slash
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Electric]
As a leader are this pokemon unique however wanna try a mixed togekiss to suprice. Maxed Speed will not out speed you after 144 Evs with investimated and all others 80 BP. 70 EV's Atk will guaranteed ohko with Focus Punch at 6 HP Tyranitar. With you will guaranteed Ohko a bulkydos with HP Electric. 4 HP EVs for make your sub to 1 HP.
Air Slash are there for a nice STAB and haxflinch someone even more fun to flinch someone when you behind Substitute. And with 128 EV's in SDef does him more defensive and can take Special hit good with 115 Base Power in Sdef. Dont need HP grass or Ice Air Slash will almost 2 Ohko Swampert anyway and has high flinch chance also.
What do you think?
It work good for me.
There's absolutely no point in using Focus Punch off of Togekiss's 50 base attack when you can just use Aura Sphere off of a base 120 special attack.
The only reason you'd ever need to use any sort of physical moves on Togekiss is on a CB Hustle set.
Aura Sphere already has a pretty good chance at the OHKO and is a pretty much guaranteed OHKO with Stealth Rock down if you just use the regular 252 SAtk EV Togekiss.
The Life Orb is pretty cool on Togekiss though, considering it can actually get Roost to recover LO damage. I'd personally just not use Focus Punch, since it makes you use a -Def nature beause the set is mixed, which takes away from Togekiss's bulkiness, and is basically only for Tyranitar, since Focus Punch has a crappy chance of 2HKOing Blissey and is very unreliable.
A Togekiss without Roost raises my eyebrows already; one also with Life Orb makes me wonder how many hits it can take. But Substitute on top of that? ...Oh boy.
(For the following comments, a 31/31/31/30/31/31 spread is assumed for Hidden Power [Electric 70].)
Substitute + Life Orb makes me wonder if the HP EVs are necessary. Besides, 8 EVs are needed to Sub down to 1 HP.
As for the Atk, 84 EVs are needed to OHKO 6 HP Tyranitar. (Did you use Metalkid for the calcuation? It's not completely accurate.)
204 SpA EVs will NOT always OHKO BulkyDos. In fact, no amount of EVs with a Hasty nature will guarantee the OHKO. (not even with a 31 SpA IV)
(If all of that is wrong, I'm going to have to give my Resource a second look over...)
You did help me discover a problem in my Resource, though. I should at least thank you for that.
Hmmmm... What if I removed Dragon Claw for something else? Looking at its physical movepool, it doesn't have much to offer.
Possible physical moves it could utilize would be Return, Earthquake, Zen Headbutt and Waterfall. Honestly, that's all that I see.
Zen Headbutt can be taken away immediately because it wouldn't hit Tyranitar at all and Heatran for little damage. Return hits T-Tar and Heatran for not very effective, so that leaves Waterfall and Earthquake.
Earthquake would would hit Heatran and T-Tar a lot harder, but Waterfall would hit Shuckle super effective. Is it worth it to sacrifice a little power for a Pokemon that doesn't see much play?
Next, I would have to see if it's possible to still 2HKO Bliss with either of those. Ahhh, why can't they get 101 HP Subs...
Earthquake, after a Dragon Dance, from your Latios can never 2HKO 148 HP / 252 Def Bold Blissey if she has Leftovers--critical hits notwithstanding. (It can't ever be guaranteed, either.) You'll need Dragon Claw or Zen Headbutt.
Crap. :\ Well, there goes that idea...
Edit: Wait- you said "from my Latios". I would need to modify the EVs, of course. >_>
HOPE IS ALIVE!!!
I've been testing the standard dragon dancer latios set that is deemed to be "standard" if he becomes OU. In short... it sucks. It hasn't really gotten any swee.ps.
However, Bentendo, your set is very creative. I will DEFINATELY make sure to test it.
An idea, Bentendo, is that I've been pairing him with Maggy to rid the field of steels. He can learn other moves to effectively take out the non-walls and use Draco Meteor to take out the heavier walls like Cresselia and Dusknoir. (I'm sure a Dragon Claw + Draco Meteor will take care of them).
Grass Knot and Ice Beam can take care of the physical walls fine. And Thunderbolt for Skarm or bulky waters. These are great alternatives to lowering your special attack immediately. Imagine mixmence, with sweeping power... OMG.
However, Bentendo, your set is very creative. I will DEFINATELY make sure to test it.
An idea, Bentendo, is that I've been pairing him with Maggy to rid the field of steels. He can learn other moves to effectively take out the non-walls and use Draco Meteor to take out the heavier walls like Cresselia and Dusknoir. (I'm sure a Dragon Claw + Draco Meteor will take care of them).
Grass Knot and Ice Beam can take care of the physical walls fine. And Thunderbolt for Skarm or bulky waters. These are great alternatives to lowering your special attack immediately. Imagine mixmence, with sweeping power... OMG.
Maggy still wouldn't take care of Hetran, unless it decides to carry HP Ground, which is really a waste of a Hidden Power on Magnezone... Plus Magnezone would need to outspeed Heatran, which can be a real problem. Maybe a Magnezone AND Dugtrio? Duggy would take care of any Heatran that isn't Scarfed. If not Duggy, Milotic would work as well being resistant to its main STAB.
Grass Knot, Ice Beam, and T-Bolt are all good, but it just doesn't have the pure power of Draco Meteor, and taking that out would mean Latios would be more specialized in taking out a certain wall, but it would help with the sweep. Say if I ran Grass Knot over Draco Meteor, it would deal better with Hippowdon, but not as well with something like Cresselia or whatever.
You could always take out Draco Meteor for whatever and then make sure the rest of the team can take out whatever resists the set. *shrugs*
I was thinking drop Earthquake, not Draco Meteor.
Oh, you said "these are alternatives to dropping your sp atk immediately" or something similar, so I assumed you were dropping Draco Meteor. :P
Salamence (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP/216 Def/40 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Wish
- Protect
- Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw
Makes a very nice Heracross/Lucario counter (bare Specs/Mix sets). A +Def can be used if you don't desire to outspeed Adamant Heracross. Draco Meteor can be used over Claw if you want to be able to use a -Attack nature so Fire Blast can most likely ohko Skarmory, but I prefer Claw so it can stay in longer and still be a somewhat attacking threat.
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP/216 Def/40 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Wish
- Protect
- Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw
Makes a very nice Heracross/Lucario counter (bare Specs/Mix sets). A +Def can be used if you don't desire to outspeed Adamant Heracross. Draco Meteor can be used over Claw if you want to be able to use a -Attack nature so Fire Blast can most likely ohko Skarmory, but I prefer Claw so it can stay in longer and still be a somewhat attacking threat.
Sweet lead clefable I've been using on Shoddy:
Clefable @ Toxic Orb
Calm Nature 252 HP, rest in whatever your team needs
Ice Beam
Encore
Protect
Wish
This clefable screws up those leads that either try to status, set up, or lay down the rocks. It basically gives you a free turn to do whatever you want.
Clefable @ Toxic Orb
Calm Nature 252 HP, rest in whatever your team needs
Ice Beam
Encore
Protect
Wish
This clefable screws up those leads that either try to status, set up, or lay down the rocks. It basically gives you a free turn to do whatever you want.
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