NOC Town of Salem 2 Mafia: Revival - WON BY THE MAFIA AND THE WITCH

[joey]

anyways i'm having fun with mechanics but not really getting anywhere. it really boils down to des and dbd being tvs which you don't even need the extra mechanics to justify since they're directly contradicting each other

tomorrow I plan to read back and pay a little more attention to the vibes of people reactions to stuff. I almost think we're better off finding a vibes read to vote this round than either of dbd/des unless something else can be uncovered to tilt the scales one way or the other on them

 

[a fairy]

i dont understand what world dbd redchecks first things first this cycle as a lie as scum?
but i also dont understand why des ccs the way she did if she's scum?

 

[Dead by Daylight]

Ehmcee can we get a VC

 

[Miyami~~~]

so if des is telling the truth and their transport failed because someone else was transported

- Roxie and HyHy were transported by a third party (who should not claim, we have too many probable town power roles out in the open as is)
- HyHy was targeted with both janitor and godfather, which killed Roxie
- Roxie targeted HyHy with some unknown ability, which caused them to appear to self target. Unless Alice is the janitor, it has to be an accidental self-janitor
- dbd and Alice both targeted HyHy and neglected to mention it, which caused them to both investigate Roxie (assuming town alice)
- assuming the above, if both of them are town, HyHy's role has to be on that list
- des attempted to transport roxie and dbd, but it failed due to transporter chains not actually being a thing
- no hypnotist required, HyHy would have to be telling the truth

Unless I'm missing something this would make one of Roxie or Alice the janitor

that being said, until we get confirmation that a second player was transported we're kind of stuck here.

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anyways i'm having fun with mechanics but not really getting anywhere. it really boils down to des and dbd being tvs which you don't even need the extra mechanics to justify since they're directly contradicting each other

tomorrow I plan to read back and pay a little more attention to the vibes of people reactions to stuff. I almost think we're better off finding a vibes read to vote this round than either of dbd/des unless something else can be uncovered to tilt the scales one way or the other on them

fwiw I think Alice claimed that dbd's claimed role wasn't in her list of roles it should be, so barring some more transporter nonsense they also have to be opposed to each other, right?

To the people here more experienced than me, would a transporter give a false result? EG if I watched person A, but person B swapped person A and person C, would I get a result that looks like "person A was visited by (people who visited person C)?"

 

[Miyami~~~]

There's no way for all of dbd/des/alice/hyhy to be telling the truth at this point right

 

[Lechen]

i'm like 85% sure this is not something you'd get notified about

im pretty sure you don't get notified about that either
des slot is getting sussier each message tbh

 

[Lechen]

but yeah the des cc makes no sense
this is even more confusing

 

[joey]

so if des is telling the truth and their transport failed because someone else was transported

des121 did your transport fail? Or it succeeded, but you were notified someone was already transported

My understanding is the latter but the former changes things

Roxie targeted HyHy with some unknown ability, which caused them to appear to self target. Unless Alice is the janitor, it has to be an accidental self-janitor

Roxie has to have targeted themself, because DBD targeted Roxie's spot and saw Roxie visit. No matter how the transporters shake out DBD and Roxie have to have targeted the same slot

dbd and Alice both targeted HyHy and neglected to mention it, which caused them to both investigate Roxie (assuming town alice)

Same as above, Alice has to have targeted the same slot that DBD and Roxie targeted

fwiw I think Alice claimed that dbd's claimed role wasn't in her list of roles it should be, so barring some more transporter nonsense they also have to be opposed to each other, right?

Not really, because the question always becomes: Did Alice actually hit DBD or hydro in the end - if Alice hit Hydro their result makes sense, if they hit DBD it doesn't make sense (or DBD is lying)

 

[Miyami~~~]

des121 did your transport fail? Or it succeeded, but you were notified someone was already transported

My understanding is the latter but the former changes things



Roxie has to have targeted themself, because DBD targeted Roxie's spot and saw Roxie visit. No matter how the transporters shake out DBD and Roxie have to have targeted the same slot



Same as above, Alice has to have targeted the same slot that DBD and Roxie targeted



Not really, because the question always becomes: Did Alice actually hit DBD or hydro in the end - if Alice hit Hydro their result makes sense, if they hit DBD it doesn't make sense (or DBD is lying)

how can you spell it out in a way that makes so much sense, and yet still reveals nothing?

Dead by Daylight Alice Kazumi did both of you intend to target roxie with your claimed abilities?

 

[joey]

The way to think about transporters that makes sense to me is that every action is targeted to a person's "slot". So if I target Player A with my action, I am actually targeting Player A's slot. If Player A and B are transported, their bodies swap slots. I am still targeting Player A's slot, but Player B happens to be in that slot now.

 

[Miyami~~~]

would the host still tell you that you targeted player A, even with the results actually being from player B?

 

[joey]

would the host still tell you that you targeted player A, even with the results actually being from player B?

In real town of Salem all the results you get are ambiguous. For example an Investigator targeting another investigator gets the following results:

Your target could be an Investigator, Consigliere, Mayor, Tracker, or Plaguebearer.

It's ambiguous on purpose because they don't want you to know who you actually hit. I'm assuming it's the same here

 

[Aura Guardian]

In real town of Salem all the results you get are ambiguous. For example an Investigator targeting another investigator gets the following results:



It's ambiguous on purpose because they don't want you to know who you actually hit. I'm assuming it's the same here

From what I remember of the role cards, it's mostly the same, here.
Which one of our huge ball of claims should be voted is over my head right now. Tired.

 

[des121]

des121 did your transport fail? Or it succeeded, but you were notified someone was already transported

My understanding is the latter but the former changes things



Roxie has to have targeted themself, because DBD targeted Roxie's spot and saw Roxie visit. No matter how the transporters shake out DBD and Roxie have to have targeted the same slot



Same as above, Alice has to have targeted the same slot that DBD and Roxie targeted



Not really, because the question always becomes: Did Alice actually hit DBD or hydro in the end - if Alice hit Hydro their result makes sense, if they hit DBD it doesn't make sense (or DBD is lying)

It failed because it said another person was targeted

 

[joey]

Why would dbd not get the notification of me transporting him

Why would you say this if you knew it failed

 

[JALMONT]

so either there’s another transporter or there was no transport last night

Is that our working theory?

 

[joey]

I think the mechanics work out if des's transport failed or doesn't exist and the other transport is hydro <-> roxie

 

[Aura Guardian]

I think the mechanics work out if des's transport failed or doesn't exist and the other transport is hydro <-> roxie

Do we want an open call for another transporter to claim? (When I asked for a transporter to claim before, I forgot that roles aren't always unique.)

 

[Lechen]

Why would you say this if you knew it failed

honestly maybe we just vote des here- their story is pretty inconsistent and if they are town/scum we can sort of have a better read on alice/dbd

 

[Lechen]

Do we want an open call for another transporter to claim? (When I asked for a transporter to claim before, I forgot that roles aren't always unique.)

not sure how i feel about mafia knowing our transporter, esp if des is town (then we reveal both of our transporters)

 

[Miyami~~~]

I feel like we've had too many power roles hard claimed already, right? We still don't even know what or how many we're up against

Why would you say this if you knew it failed

seconding this; it's one thing to get caught in a lie with someone else and another thing to get caught in a lie with yourself

I kind of get the feeling we'll get more information out of des's flip than an alive and posting des at this point

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

so if i'm getting this right:
alice had a inves which targeted roxie
roxie died and got janitor
dbd is a watch/lookout that caught roxie and alice on roxie
i got transported
des swapped roxie and dbd but it failed because one of her targets were already swapped?//

 

[JALMONT]

so if i'm getting this right:
alice had a inves which targeted roxie
roxie died and got janitor
dbd is a watch/lookout that caught roxie and alice on roxie
i got transported
des swapped roxie and dbd but it failed because one of her targets were already swapped?//

but you're saying you were transported - so either you are des is lying if there isn't another transporter?

tbh I'm getting the sense this is some kind of weird gambit play. I have to assume in the case there's another transporter they either whisper or claim so the longer this charade goes on I move to the conclusion someone is lying. and if someone's lying without a good reason then I assume they are panicking scum so.

what doesn't align for me is the end goal of lying here. I still need to work that out

 

[Alice Kazumi]

how can you spell it out in a way that makes so much sense, and yet still reveals nothing?

Dead by Daylight Alice Kazumi did both of you intend to target roxie with your claimed abilities?

I did target roxie.

it looks like my action was transported to hydro not dbd by the results but I guess that's wrong.

Also i just noticed but since lookout is way slower than transporter shouldn't he be transported to himself and get the result from himself? I did ended up hitting him because of the transporter and nothing happened to him so no idea why people want to vote me out over nothing when he is alive??? Seems to be people pushing a narrative because they are interested in it.

i dont understand what world dbd redchecks first things first this cycle as a lie as scum?
but i also dont understand why des ccs the way she did if she's scum?

Likewise I don't see why scum alice would claim a result not in lookout list knowing the target would be dbd who claimed lookout early and confirmed his role. Scum Alice would have full knowledge of the situarion, I have no idea what's happening. Also what I said above; dbd's lookout action got transported to himself so he watched me on him doing no harming thing and I'm apparently your vote target when roxie was the one who got cleaned and died? I'm getting annoyed at this gamestate because we are not advancing and just going in circles.

I don't see why scum hydro would save town alice when I was an easy mislynch target and he put himself in the spotlight for no real gain. Celever asked me something about it but I didn't understand it well and the conversation died.

My guess is that there has to be a second bus driver or that des confused who she targeted because the bus driver thing is the main problem here. I likely got hydro results not dbd. Dbd or des lying for some reason can be a possibiltiy but I fail to see the logic behind it. I still won't rule it out because people make mistakes or questionable decisions a decent amount of times in mafia but I will make a post later about my thoughts about other slots. That's something that only me has done this game previously and apparently will continue to be like that

 

[AirC]

I fail to see why you wait to have 10 pages in the thread to mention that the transport failed, and I also assume if there was another transported he would already have came forward no?