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toohotti32191

Hey Smogoners, This is a question i had to ask while i was in a battle. I was battling Someone on wi-fi as you know And my machamp killed a poke, my opponent then sends out swellow. I was going to let Machamp die at 28% and thinking it was going to brave bird so i stay in. Swellow Uses protect, Swellow protected itself. Machamp Used Dynamic Punch.....And It Hits 100% Holy shit My Machamp was not hacked. I thought it might be No Gaurd but can someone plz fill me in on this info and will Dynamic Punch Work against Others using protect.

PS. I watched some vids of a poke using protect and Machamp using ice punch but still not hit. Hmmm?
 
"Protect cannot always prevent the effects of attacks if the user of the attack that is being used to attack the Pokémon using Protect has the No Guard ability and is using a STAB move, nor can it always protect against those using Thunder while it is raining or Blizzard while it is hailing. In the latter two cases, the moves have a 50% chance of hitting through Protect, whereas with No Guard, the moves have their normal accuracy as their chance to hit. Furthermore, Protect will always be broken by the moves Feint and Shadow Force."

taken from bulbapedia.
 
That research from Bulbapedia is not entirely correct.

When a Pokemon with No Guard hits a Pokemon that uses Protect or Detect with a move having A accuracy, the move used will hit with 100-A accuracy. The same thing happens if the No Guard Pokemon uses Protect or Detect and the foe uses a move against him. This also works for moves that don't get STAB.

That is why a No Guard Machamp can hit a Pokemon using Protect if it uses DynamicPunch with 50% accuracy (100-50) but cannot hit a Pokemon using Protect if it uses Ice Punch (100-100). It's not STAB that's the culprit, it's the accuracy of the move.
 
X-Act said:
That research from Bulbapedia is not entirely correct.

When a Pokemon with No Guard hits a Pokemon that uses Protect or Detect with a move having A accuracy, the move used will hit with 100-A accuracy. The same thing happens if the No Guard Pokemon uses Protect or Detect and the foe uses a move against him. This also works for moves that don't get STAB.
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Is it a 50% chance that an unstabbed move will hit Because i seen some vids on utube that Ice Punched used on mismagius while using protect did not suceed.
 
toohotti32191 said:
Is it a 50% chance that an unstabbed move will hit Because i seen some vids on utube that Ice Punched used on mismagius while using protect did not suceed.
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no, what he's saying is that the chance of an unstabbed move hitting is dependent on the move's regular accuracy. the normal chance of that move missing is now the chance for it to hit if the pokemon has no guard.

thanks for the correction, x-act :') i'm not really good with d/p stuff right now, haha.
 
The reason why No Guard Machamp using Ice Punch doesn't hit a Pokemon using Protect is because Ice Punch has 100% accuracy. In effect, No Guard Machamp will hit when it usually won't and won't hit when it usually does when against a Pokemon using Protect or Detect.

And STAB isn't taken into account at all. If No Guard Machamp uses a 100% accurate STAB move against Pokemon using Protect or Detect, it will always fail. The reason why DynamicPunch hits against Pokemon using Protect or Detect is because it's 50% accurate, not because it gets STAB, and it will actually hit 100-50 = 50% of the time.
 
so let me get this straight a no guard pokemon move on a protect pokemon will only break though the protect if the move has less than 100% acc?

and the lower the move normal acc them more likely it will hit the protecting pokemon?
 
I'll jump in here and mention that this does not mean that OHKO moves have 70% accuracy through Protect if the user or target has No Guard. OHKO moves use a different kind of accuracy check and can never hit through Protect, whether or not No Guard is involved.

No Guard will always make OHKO moves hit when the target is not using Protect or Detect, though, so watch out for that if you play with OHKOs.
 
TheMaskedNitpicker said:
I'll jump in here and mention that this does not mean that OHKO moves have 70% accuracy through Protect if the user or target has No Guard. OHKO moves use a different kind of accuracy check and can never hit through Protect, whether or not No Guard is involved.

No Guard will always make OHKO moves hit when the target is not using Protect or Detect, though, so watch out for that if you play with OHKOs.
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Yes. The same applies for moves that ignore accuracy modifiers, like Aerial Ace. These moves will never hit through Protect or Detect even if the user has No Guard.
 
as the person who tested how it works I´d like to mention that:

1. rain-thunder
2. hail-blizzard (contrary to popular belief they become "never miss ignoring accuracy" moves not 100% accurate), and
3. lock on/mind reader + something

behave the same way against protect/detect (100 - normal accuracy) as no guard
 
I should also mention that when playing with PBR, No Guard does not allow hits through Protect and Detect. It does still allow you to hit Pokémon that are using Fly or Dig, though.

I tend to believe that this was an intentional fix by GameFreak, but that may or may not actually be the case.
 
i think its a genius Sonroity change because like colo and XD PBR is one of there product made with the license with minimal gamefreak oversight

they had things in XD and colo that did not happen at all in the ADV games like for instance in colo assist won't call on moves from a fainted ally while in XD (which tells me this was a fix) and the advance games it does
 
X-Act said:
The reason why No Guard Machamp using Ice Punch doesn't hit a Pokemon using Protect is because Ice Punch has 100% accuracy. In effect, No Guard Machamp will hit when it usually won't and won't hit when it usually does when against a Pokemon using Protect or Detect.

And STAB isn't taken into account at all. If No Guard Machamp uses a 100% accurate STAB move against Pokemon using Protect or Detect, it will always fail. The reason why DynamicPunch hits against Pokemon using Protect or Detect is because it's 50% accurate, not because it gets STAB, and it will actually hit 100-50 = 50% of the time.
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I believe you are wrong..

I was in a battle once, against a yanmega. It used protect (and it worked) and my no-guard machamp used Ice Punch and it hit....

I believe it was in a battle with the Smogon use Scrubs (though I am not sure)
 
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