OU RBY OU Discussion Thread

Cholaski is a funny name. It's fun to say. As an excuse to say it more, I'm going to make a random post. No one but me is going to care about the following schizophrenic post, but I have no where else to say any of this. So I will say it here just for fun.

90 Plus Gxe was a player who was most active in 2016-2017. He topped the ladder often and as the name suggests, had 90 plus gxe. Like Cholaski, he replaced Lax with Cloyster and used the sing/ice beam/thunder bolt/soft boil set on Chansey, but other than have the obligatory tauros, the team he used differed (honestly maybe his team was even better). But in addition to using cloyster over lax and that Chansey set (which at this time, no one else used but Cholaski) he had a gameplay quirk that was also only used by Cholaski... Cholaski still does it to this day... when his chansey is face to face with a healthy Snorlax, whether his chansey is paralyzed or not, he always clicks ice beam. Almost ALWAYS. They BOTH did this. It's tantamount to a villain's calling card.

Neither Cholaski nor 90 plus gxe hid their replays. They often saved their replays against players.

90 plus gxe's earliest replay is October 2016

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-464581484

Cholaski's earliest replay is also... October 2016

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-449657696?p2

You can watch their replays of them playing all the active players at the time... Peasounay, Marco, Kaz, all the active ladder players, etc. They were both the most active at the same time; both very often near the top of the ladder, yet there is not a SINGLE replay of them playing each other. All of this to say after almost 10 years... I figured you out. If whoever is behind those accounts is reading this... WHO ARE YOU!? Why do you keep changing accounts? AND ALSO... you make really good teams and were ahead of the times <3 :) The team 90 plus gxe used was
Gengar/Cloyster/Zapdos/Alakazam/Chansey/Tauros. This team was the team I used to top the ladder for the first time somewhere around 2018. I didn't quite get a 90 gxe back then, but I got close at around 89. Still a good team. Well, there's some obscure pokemon history for ya.
 
To add: Cholaski most recently was active under the account, The Weezing Wonder. Many of you played him. I know that's him, because I was watching The Weezing Wonder play live, and I said to him, "Hey, that team you're using was used by a player named Cholaski years ago. Ever heard of him?" He privately messaged me, "One sec." Then when he was done with his match, he switched to his OG Cholaski account and said, "What's up?" I was so surprised to see him active all these years later. He told me that he tops the ladder yearly under a different account and that "No one ever knows." That last sentence he said to me, "No one ever knows," was extremely mysterious thinking back on it, because... why would he care if they did? A strange character for sure.
 
Holy shit. I haven't gone through these replays in a long time. But man... Getting a 90 plus gxe with a 1700 elo rating was not easy back then guys... this dude was insane

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-482353192?p2 Against Marco for the 1712 (TURN 13 FOR THE CHOLASKI SPECIAL)

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-487447458?p2 Against Peasounay (TURN 24 FOR THE CHOLASKI SPECIAL)

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-532475094?p2 Against Lusch

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-583331443?p2 Against Kaz

The competition was crazy and he was just stealing souls. Whoa
 
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Believer of GXE said:
If I may, very few will be believe it, but yeah, topping the ladder isn't hard running the same team over and over without even altering a thing....the competitive nature of the ladder is still relative to that of the stakes being only an ELO score.That being said, if it's possible to play the same 2 teams and top the ladder every year, yeah. And for a for a decade straight lol, and beat top players who win in the tournaments. I'll even say that Chansey should only definitively be Ubers, but no one will care. :) and Chansey is far similar to mew and Mewtwo than most care to admit.
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Topping the ladder in and of itself is not difficult. I've seen people with gxes in the 70s that have topped it. An inconsistent player can go on a lucky streak. But doing so at a very high elo (1700s say) and at a high gxe (above 90) is difficult, and most have never done it. I've topped the ladder a thousand times and haven't. Also, you'll see many people who seem to be good at getting high gxes, but for some reason can rarely hit number 1, which suggests someone prone to choking at crucial moments.

Also, gen 1 ou tournaments are not... very high stakes relative to other competitive games. It's not like tournament stakes are a huge jump from ladder. To add to that, gen 1 is also relatively simple as well, and there is no somatic skill involved, so it isn't like one needs some resource outside of ladder and replays for practice. It's been a very long time since I watched a pokemon match and didn't understand why every single move was made. And that's like... more than half the game right there. All that assuming your implied premise, that low stakes equal low quality gameplay, is even true. It probably isn't for most. High stakes make most people play sloppy and nervous, and only a few rare freaks like the pressure and perform better under it than a more comfortable setting.

ALSO, the time at which you top the ladder matters. When 90 Plus Gxe hit the 1700s at that time (with a 90 plus gxe), all the best players were on the ladder. I mean look at these back to back to back replays. He had to fight Marco 3 times in row basically (And he won all three of these games). It's pretty hard to get 1700 plus elo with 90 plus gxe today; it was even harder back then at that specific time.

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1. Chansey should not be ubers. Its not near an offensive threat in most cases and is whacked around by physical attackers. Howver this is coming from someone who thinks rby ubers shouldnt be a thing so w/e,

Leader of the Rockets said:
It's not like tournament stakes are a huge jump from ladder.
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2. I dont get this statement. Its absolutely a huge jump, with circuit tournament points, in certain scenarios a forum trophy, and even sometimes money on the line. There are very few tournaments that dont give you ANYTHING. Ladder gives you nothing but an ego to use to brag torwards
people who could not care less.

3. Tournament is also against way better players. Beating little timmy at 1300 is not equivilant to beating amaranth or kenix.

Leader of the Rockets said:
and only a few rare freaks like the pressure and perform better under it than a more comfortable setting.
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4. Alot of people play better in tournaments than on ladder or in friendlies. This isnt universal and isnt near true.
 
Soda_Eesti said:
1. Chansey should not be ubers. Its not near an offensive threat in most cases and is whacked around by physical attackers. Howver this is coming from someone who thinks rby ubers shouldnt be a thing so w/e,


2. I dont get this statement. Its absolutely a huge jump, with circuit tournament points, in certain scenarios a forum trophy, and even sometimes money on the line. There are very few tournaments that dont give you ANYTHING. Ladder gives you nothing but an ego to use to brag torwards
people who could not care less.

3. Tournament is also against way better players. Beating little timmy at 1300 is not equivilant to beating amaranth or kenix.


4. Alot of people play better in tournaments than on ladder or in friendlies. This isnt universal and isnt near true.
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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2331502592?p2
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2329625088

I haven't entered a tournament in years (I've only entered two life time. Won one. Lost one.) and it personally, to me at least, didn't feel different from playing the same guys on the ladder. I have not entered a tournament in many years, yet for all I know I'm positive against the player you mentioned, Amaranth, in games. What am I to do with this data? You know what I mean? I know I'm super good, but I just don't feel like entering tournaments. So, from my personal point of view, it is hard for me to hold tournaments in the same esteem that you do.
 
Leader of the Rockets said:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2331502592?p2
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2329625088

I haven't entered a tournament in years (I've only entered two life time. Won one. Lost one.) and it personally, to me at least, didn't feel different from playing the same guys on the ladder. I have not entered a tournament in many years, yet for all I know I'm positive against the player you mentioned, Amaranth, in games. What am I to do with this data? You know what I mean? I know I'm super good, but I just don't feel like entering tournaments. So, from my personal point of view, it is hard for me to hold tournaments in the same esteem that you do.
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i dont ladder outside of ladder tournament season so you are indeed probably 2-0 lifetime against me. good work!
you dont need to listen to people telling you how to enjoy yourself, if you like jerking it to your elo going up you can keep laddering for the rest of your days, nothing wrong with it
you're going to have a hard time convincing anybody that you're the greatest with no smogon tournament evidence, but that's okay. you're good enough to give players like me a fight, that means you're a solid player, everything beyond that is pretty much a matter of opinion

would be fun to see you in tours, otherwise we'll meet again on the ladder next time ladder tour comes around. have a good day man
 
Amaranth said:
i dont ladder outside of ladder tournament season so you are indeed probably 2-0 lifetime against me. good work!
you dont need to listen to people telling you how to enjoy yourself, if you like jerking it to your elo going up you can keep laddering for the rest of your days, nothing wrong with it
you're going to have a hard time convincing anybody that you're the greatest with no smogon tournament evidence, but that's okay. you're good enough to give players like me a fight, that means you're a solid player, everything beyond that is pretty much a matter of opinion

would be fun to see you in tours, otherwise we'll meet again on the ladder next time ladder tour comes around. have a good day man
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Yeah, it wasn't meant to belittle you (you're obviously really good), and I have no desire for the title "greatest of all time." I'm good enough to put up a fight and win against anyone like you said, and I'm as knowledgeable about the game as anyone. If you want to jerk it to ephemeral tournament wins that's cool too lol. You can maybe be the next GGFan if you keep trying xD . But yeah bro, egos aside, I think you're great, and maybe I will be in a tour one of these days. It'd be fun to play you in an environment you value.
 
Believer of GXE said:
I found his alt, it's "Meta4International" on the replays of that account is that same exact team.
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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2159938843

it took me forever to find this, but I remember watching that account play, and I stole the team in this replay from him. The team in this replay is the only one I ever saw that account use, and I thought it was interesting. Never knew it used the Cholaski team, though I should have suspected it by the similar team structure and Chansey set. For whatever reason, this team works. It looks like it sucks, but it is actually not bad. I had forgotten all about that team and that account until you just mentioned it. People think this team sucks as well, so a lot of people rage when you beat them with it, but it is actually not bad.

Raticate/Chansey/Tauros/Golem/Starmie/Gengar

And sometimes he would use a variation where he replaced Gengar with Jynx.
 
As much as Chaneyless has grown, and is obviously now going to be a big part of the game, I do think it is only the next evolution. I don't personally think the game's meta ends with aggressive Chanseyless teams. I just think Chaseyless exposes that the old Chansey teams weren't all they were cracked up to be. Good, but no where near as dominant as they were once thought. In an earlier post regarding stall teams, I said something to the effect of: once the lead is gotten with a team prioritizing defense, one feels very safe in comparison to gaining the lead with a team prioritizing aggression, and that if only one could find a way to consistently gain this lead with a defense heavy team, it would be game-changing. I think that is the last evolution of gen 1 ou's meta. In the end I think we will be playing very long games. I've been playing with some defense strats lately and... yeah... High crit chances and tauros have fooled people. Defense in this game is actually crazy and will most likely turn out to be king. It's no where near as fun to play as something like Chaseyless, but the next evolution of the meta is just waiting for patient players who can have fun playing games most people find boring to watch.
 
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