NOC E.G.O Wielders Mafia - A 17P Role Madness (Game Thread) - MAFIA WIN

bluedoom said:
Can someone tell me why voting off the claimed doc made any sense to you guys? I know my slot voted them too but I've been screaming looking at the flips this last cycle(was looking forward to playing with you, JALMONT buddy)
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I felt NE was town, hated how the wagon looked and felt compelled to do something about it. There were always doubts to her claim since she was scumread from basically the start of the game and had a condition on her role that made it super hard to prove. But host WIFOM wins again, apparently, because it was all true... I of all people should expect that more tbh
 
af, m2h, jalmont nks... Did the scum team just never pocket these people or do they think they can run the game after killing the loud ones? I can't see scum!hal just giving an approval to all of them unless he thinks that none of them could be manipulated

I will say that I had realiti down as scum last night just on kill spec alone (and what looks like a d3 NE tunnel felt weird) but I haven't read anything of d2 yet and how hal got voted off here. I think d3 isn't as informative given how stagnant the votes feel
 
StupidFlandrs48 said:
I felt NE was town, hated how the wagon looked and felt compelled to do something about it. There were always doubts to her claim since she was scumread from basically the start of the game and had a condition on her role that made it super hard to prove. But host WIFOM wins again, apparently, because it was all true... I of all people should expect that more tbh
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The role stuff being reason to vote her off is so lame man, surely hosts give maf better fakes than ass conditionals that only make them look worse
 
AngryPidgeon said:
elaborate?
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Well having been partners with hal before(and I guess this is my preferred scum play too) he likes to try to keep people like af/m2h around if they can be pocketed and manipulated just because of how much more paranoia it can spread later in the game. I feel like all those three kills point towards other vets/talkers on the team, or at least no one who was tred by af/m2h is on the team. Doesn't help that most of realiti's content last phase was focused on NE from that I can tell.

This isn't a strong enough reason to case realiti ig but that was my guy reaction when I first subbed in last night
 
I guess I forgot to add but Jalmont also srd realiti fwiw(doesn't factor in to my initial thought process when I first subbed in)

I don't think I'd entertain skip/Neon votes today; can someone tell me what the case on NE is?
 
bluedoom said:
Well having been partners with hal before(and I guess this is my preferred scum play too) he likes to try to keep people like af/m2h around if they can be pocketed and manipulated just because of how much more paranoia it can spread later in the game. I feel like all those three kills point towards other vets/talkers on the team, or at least no one who was tred by af/m2h is on the team. Doesn't help that most of realiti's content last phase was focused on NE from that I can tell.

This isn't a strong enough reason to case realiti ig but that was my guy reaction when I first subbed in last night
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Realiti subbed in only after Apricity died
 
bluedoom said:
Why do you think this doesn't come from new!Town and only comes from scum?
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He claimed that he targeted Evie(?) on N1 because he could confirm if she was lying right away. But that was before she claimed. So what he said about his reason for targeting Evie N1 doesnt make sense.
He used his role to say NE and Evie were probably mafia but I dont see why he came to that conclusion given what he has said about his role.
He keeps tacking on new claims when under pressure.
 
AngryPidgeon said:
He claimed that he targeted Evie(?) on N1 because he could confirm if she was lying right away. But that was before she claimed. So what he said about his reason for targeting Evie N1 doesnt make sense.
He used his role to say NE and Evie were probably mafia but I dont see why he came to that conclusion given what he has said about his role.
He keeps tacking on new claims when under pressure.
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Also ne bullied me.
 
AngryPidgeon said:
He claimed that he targeted Evie(?) on N1 because he could confirm if she was lying right away. But that was before she claimed. So what he said about his reason for targeting Evie N1 doesnt make sense.
He used his role to say NE and Evie were probably mafia but I dont see why he came to that conclusion given what he has said about his role.
He keeps tacking on new claims when under pressure.
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Can't it be that he thinks that he can check whether she's her actual role if she lies about her claim? I'm looking at the eod3 votals and voting NE checks out with his reasoning, like if he copped her and got doc just to verify her claim.

Like it doesn't make sense but it seems consistent with him copping her or whatever
 
Ch3mdah said:
I did it because they both already claimed, if they showed up as info then I'd see that they lied, so I could then vote them
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Ch3mdah said:
I checked Evie and NE and saw that their roles weren't info roles, I checked those two because if I saw that they were info roles, then I'd see that they lied
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He doubled down on this but it couldnt have been true. It seems like a fairly big thing to forget about your motivation like that when making an action.
Ch3mdah said:
there's a chance that evie and NE are both town, but to me that seems extremely unlikely, chances are one, if not both of them are scum ....... NE claims that his role gains 0.5 votes if he guesses the number of failed actions during the night? Me personally, looking at my own role that seems off to me.
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bluedoom said:
af, m2h, jalmont nks... Did the scum team just never pocket these people or do they think they can run the game after killing the loud ones? I can't see scum!hal just giving an approval to all of them unless he thinks that none of them could be manipulated

I will say that I had realiti down as scum last night just on kill spec alone (and what looks like a d3 NE tunnel felt weird) but I haven't read anything of d2 yet and how hal got voted off here. I think d3 isn't as informative given how stagnant the votes feel
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I would highly recommend reading EoD2. it's an incredibly important part of the game
 
bluedoom said:
Where's your head at right now?
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if ne is scum the mafia team is probably fairly weak, im thinking ch3mdah/pulsar with Joey as a potential deepwolf from bussing hal. I remember unpairing NE with flandrs but ill have to find that specific post. it fits with nobody caring about voting d3 after hal died and hal wanting to self pres but just being outvoted by townies

if ne is town then joey/flandrs scum equity go up massively bc mafias plan to bus hal becomes more likely with 0 mafia voting with hal. otherwise I have no clue what they're doing at EoD2. I think skipper and especially neon are town regardless. I dont think ch3mdah is partnered with flandrs and pulsar still fits here

I townread ap off of hal interactions bc I dont think their beef was fake and I townread your slot off of constant thread presence & interaction with all slots, but there is deepwolf possibility for both of us guys (more likely in ne town world than ne scum world). regardless im not interested in voting here today.

des I dont have a strong townread on, but they are behaving similarly to previous town games where they constantly sit in thread asking questions and giving short answers. I havent seen a scum game from them which I assume would be different + involve coaching so I have shelved them as town for the time being

id rather vote NE who i find issues with his posts & voting throughout the game than ch3mdah (shaky claim) and pulsar (fits in most teams but has mostly nai content aside from their weird EoD last night and has been super afk)
 
bluedoom said:
Wait how did he go from inspecting NE to doubting his own inspect on the mayor? That's so off;
##Vote: Ch3mdah

Ch3mdah can you explain your NE read to us?
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I doubted my inspect on NE because his role showing up as non-info doesn't exactly confirm him as town, I was confused and was split between believing his claim or being suspicious of him on account of him voting with hal on n1 and n2. In short, I panicked hard which was why I was double guessing myself. Honestly, still unsure whether to think of NE as town or scum
 
realiti said:
i'll read more later. i like des' string of posts in the past couple of pages


just took a peek at the d1 votecount and i didn't realize NE was a n1 wagon. if NE flips mafia we should definitely look into the VC, but if they flip town i doubt it'll give us much insight. Personally I know I'm town and lean wisteria town too so it seems like a classic D1 Smogon Town moment.

unless his strategy is to bus his entire team, flandrs is probably not scum with NE, making the vote 6-5 so late D1 is risky if they were partners. And I doubt he starts D3 bussing Ch3mdah if they were partners after losing hal. And he's probably not partners with des. So he gets some town equity from unpairing interactions.
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realiti said:
Read hal's ISO & EoD2.

Neon is almost certainly town IMO, hal's CW seems like a genuine self-pres attempt and I don't see why he'd pick a partner over a townie. From past experience hal is pretty interactive with his team (pinging them, asking them to post & vote). Doubt he'll throw Neon under the bus for no reason especially when Neon is seemingly AFK.

Unless skipper drastically leveled up in the past six months I'm just going to assume he's town here. 4 quick votes on Neon and he votes hal, it's either a bizarre bussing gambit as mafia or he is town. I still only have a two year old game as my scum!skipper reference but he's typing like every town game he's played.

Joey is probably town off his vote but there was ton of traction for hal near EoD, so it's possible that scum made a last minute decision to bus for cred...I think his vote has less town cred than skipper but don't think there's reason to be paranoid of him right now.

Dunno how much I can read into Flandrs' vote, he and hal were lightly sussing each other throughout the day so he doesn't have the luxury to be flexible with his vote & support hal on a Neon CW. Haven't really looked too deep into this slot yet.

Leaning AP town, doubt his argument with hal was staged. Looking at the timestamps and how random it was, just seems like two big egos fighting against each other instead of an actual distancing attempt as partners. Like his posting too, doesn't feel like he's trying to force misvotes or pushing agendas.

wisteria is firing posts left and right, I have no meta reference for them but I instinctually lean them town over scum, will have to read more in depth later. Apparently there's some deep connection with them and NE that I have not read into yet.

hal's stance on NE is super weird, he & NE both deepwolfed the last game they played together and it almost feels like hal is fixated on distancing by referencing that game (#1711, #1683, #1341, #1031 is not about NE but about that game, etc)...he doesn't really make a firm read on NE either but defends him against pressure near EoD.

Personally think NE & Evie's claims are whatever, both claimed under pressure & the roles are hard to prove (aka potential fakeclaims). Seeing as hal was in self-pres mode, I kinda think KISS (keep it simple stupid) is the best option here and we just vote one of these two...I doubt hal told his entire team to leave him out to dry.
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still where im at bluedoom and you can reference the posts in the 2nd last paragraph for hal's connection w NE
 
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