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QuentinQuonce said:
Eternatus already, damn. God knows how many players that'll take to beat.


Also lmao I love how Zacian and Zamazenta are just walking on the spot at the start of this video
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The irony to this is unless they bend some rules, Zacian and Zama are better as tanks than attackers into Eternatus (best DPS being Metagross or Excadrill pending any additional releases before it) since it's not weak to Steel and Behemoth Blade/Bash are otherwise just standard DMax power.
 
pika pal said:
The irony to this is unless they bend some rules, Zacian and Zama are better as tanks than attackers into Eternatus (best DPS being Metagross or Excadrill pending any additional releases before it) since it's not weak to Steel and Behemoth Blade/Bash are otherwise just standard DMax power.
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Well, maybe they'll adhere to SwSh and we won't be able to use anything other than Zacian and Zamazenta, since Eternatus blocks dynamax :P

As for Global Go fest, I enjoyed it this year. Got a pretty good shiny haul and was able to do enough Zamazenta raids to crown at least one, and I got the shiny finally for my HOME collection. I picked the Zacian research the next day to crown my hundo Zacian. Didn't get any shiny Zacian, but I have the GameStop shiny already. Hopefully we can get some more crown energy during the final event.

I think Niantic/Scopely (not sure who is running the show right now) were probably pretty successful at tempting people into buying the ridiculous $20 pass to get the gold bottle cap, especially after the regular GO pass made it unclear how easy it was going to be to finish the pass. Without the daily cap it was super easy. While the gold bottle cap was tempting to max out my Marshadow, the news that you can't transfer hyper-trained Pokemon fully dissuaded me from considering it. Hopefully they'll remove the restriction, but until they do hyper training isn't worth it. The only reason I am ok spending money on this game is because once end of service is on the horizon I can start rapturing my good mons up to HOME.

In other news, Hisuian Zorua will be the first ultra unlock this year. Looking forward to that.

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R_N said:
For my Home Dex purposes what I'm curious about is if they'll be dumb and find a way to mess up how Eternatus works that prevents it from going to Home even when it can't turn into Eternamax.
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The Simplest solution would be Eternatus turning into Eternamax during the "Dynamax Attack" phase and no other time under player control.

Which is also how you know it won't be what the Dev team goes with.
 
pika pal said:
The Simplest solution would be Eternatus turning into Eternamax during the "Dynamax Attack" phase and no other time under player control.

Which is also how you know it won't be what the Dev team goes with.
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the simplest solution is just "doesn't turn into eternamax while under player control" and "eternatus is just treated as a normal Pokemon that has a move that lets it be used in dynamax" but I cannot ignore the possibility that doing the latter flags it as untransferrable
 
Confirmed: roaming Gimmighoul is no longer shiny-locked! Hurrah.

Looks like they may have been late in enabling it according to TSR, no reports of it until just now.

Either way, yay. Doubt I'll get to hunt this that extensively but welcome news regardless.

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RocketSurgery said:
More good ghost news:

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https://pokemongo.com/en/post/ultra-unlock-steel-and-scales

Doesn't say anything about how the form change will work, but given that it's partly gbl locked, seems like it will work like Morepeko.
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So the tricky part is that unlike Morpeko, Aegislash's form change affects its stats and thus its CP (Shield form needs to be high 40's to hit 1500-ish, Sword is in the 20's), which might make for some funky code if it's an in-battle change.

Aegislash will be interesting, because its current move spread leaves it without a bait move and it gets hard walled by Darks or Bulky Steel resists like Blastoise and Forretress. Assuming it works anything like the MSG (becomes Sword when using a Charge move, Shield if using a Shield or on entry), it REALLY would want the ability to double up on moves like Close Combat/Wild Charge Users tend to do, which makes me think its current moveset is a conscious decision
 
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Interesting tidbit about Eternatus according to the game miners today: it can't be traded. That could change before it's presumably released next month, but it suggests that we'll only get the one. I'd imagined it being in Max Battles but if that's the case then possibly it'll be through some sort of special research...? This has got me hella curious about how the finale event will work, I was all prepared to actually spend coins for once raiding Eternatus but I can't imagine there being raids for something you don't get to catch afterwars. The most low-effort version would probably just be the dogs back in raids with a requirement to complete [x] amount of raids/max battles to reach the Eternatus encounter.
 
QuentinQuonce said:
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Interesting tidbit about Eternatus according to the game miners today: it can't be traded. That could change before it's presumably released next month, but it suggests that we'll only get the one. I'd imagined it being in Max Battles but if that's the case then possibly it'll be through some sort of special research...? This has got me hella curious about how the finale event will work, I was all prepared to actually spend coins for once raiding Eternatus but I can't imagine there being raids for something you don't get to catch afterwars. The most low-effort version would probably just be the dogs back in raids with a requirement to complete [x] amount of raids/max battles to reach the Eternatus encounter.
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My mundane answer is this is simply something they put on the mon because they can't figure out Spaghetti Code to send it to Home, much like Spinda, the Origin Formes of Palkia/Dialga, and Gigantamax Pokemon. It could be that Eternamax in MSG isn't keyed to any trait actually on the player-obtainable Eternatus, so maybe adding something to it here makes it funky.

As for the research prospect, fighting Max Battles in general (which Zacian and Zamazenta obviously help with) leading up to the encounter would make some thematic sense, given the Darkest Day event involved out-of-control Dynamax Mons popping up
 
pika pal said:
My mundane answer is this is simply something they put on the mon because they can't figure out Spaghetti Code to send it to Home, much like Spinda, the Origin Formes of Palkia/Dialga, and Gigantamax Pokemon. It could be that Eternamax in MSG isn't keyed to any trait actually on the player-obtainable Eternatus, so maybe adding something to it here makes it funky.

As for the research prospect, fighting Max Battles in general (which Zacian and Zamazenta obviously help with) leading up to the encounter would make some thematic sense, given the Darkest Day event involved out-of-control Dynamax Mons popping up
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If it was just "we can eternamax this, so it's treated like a g-max" that wouldn't need to trading, however.



Also it is still baffling to me that Origin Palkia/Dialga can't be transferred. I can believe there's an Issue with the transfer process preventing G-Maxes on Home's end or whatever, but Palkia/Dialga seem firmly on "this is your own damn fault" for Go.
 
I don't get how Go is incapable of changing them back to their base forms on transfer. It's not even like the Fusion mons where they have to finagle separation or something.
 
pika pal said:
I don't get how Go is incapable of changing them back to their base forms on transfer. It's not even like the Fusion mons where they have to finagle separation or something.
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Exactly, this hasn't been a problem with any other transformation, so how on earth did they set these up internally to cause this issue.
 
pika pal said:
My mundane answer is this is simply something they put on the mon because they can't figure out Spaghetti Code to send it to Home, much like Spinda, the Origin Formes of Palkia/Dialga, and Gigantamax Pokemon. It could be that Eternamax in MSG isn't keyed to any trait actually on the player-obtainable Eternatus, so maybe adding something to it here makes it funky.

As for the research prospect, fighting Max Battles in general (which Zacian and Zamazenta obviously help with) leading up to the encounter would make some thematic sense, given the Darkest Day event involved out-of-control Dynamax Mons popping up
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Hmm that's possible, I hadn't thought of that. Someone on Reddit speculated it's to stop it being transferred in Eternamax form and they've just applied the ban to the species as a whole (doesn't mean we'll get to use the Eternamax form in Go, but they have been known to release things unintentionally - hello Black/White Kyurem)

pika pal said:
As for the research prospect, fighting Max Battles in general (which Zacian and Zamazenta obviously help with) leading up to the encounter would make some thematic sense, given the Darkest Day event involved out-of-control Dynamax Mons popping up
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Would be incredibly cool if the event had basically every Gigantamax Pokemon in Max Battles at once, but they've not really released enough of them yet to make that as interesting as it could be (not that I'd complain though, I've missed so many of them). It still feels incredibly early to be releasing Eternatus, but if it's a one-and-done this time around I suppose it'll be brought back in an eventual Galar tour a couple of years from now (same goes for Kubfu/Urshifu). Basically a similar model to what they're probably going to do with Zygarde.

edit: Actually this works better than I thought, because I was thinking Calyrex+steeds would be a good bet for next year's Go Fest until I remembered it's the ten-year anniversary so Mega Mewtwo seems far more likely. It'd be really weird to debut Calyrex and not involve Eternatus somehow (not that following the lore accurately has ever been something they've prioritised)
 
QuentinQuonce said:
Would be incredibly cool if the event had basically every Gigantamax Pokemon in Max Battles at once, but they've not really released enough of them yet to make that as interesting as it could be (not that I'd complain though, I've missed so many of them). It still feels incredibly early to be releasing Eternatus, but if it's a one-and-done this time around I suppose it'll be brought back in an eventual Galar tour a couple of years from now (same goes for Kubfu/Urshifu). Basically a similar model to what they're probably going to do with Zygarde.

edit: Actually this works better than I thought, because I was thinking Calyrex+steeds would be a good bet for next year's Go Fest until I remembered it's the ten-year anniversary so Mega Mewtwo seems far more likely. It'd be really weird to debut Calyrex and not involve Eternatus somehow (not that following the lore accurately has ever been something they've prioritised)
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An idea I had was to make the Raids ALSO include DMax eligible Pokemon (5*'s can be Zacian and Zamazenta if Eternatus is a one-off and thus won't be in them), show the Max stuff is running rampant and not even restricted to the usual spots for a bit. So like 1* raids could have Beldum, Drilbur, etc. Max eligible, 3-4*'s could be GMax Pokemon (Kanto Starters, Gengar, etc for the 4*'s), and the catchable Pokemon are Max Battle eligible.

Probably too wish listy but it's a fun idea
 
QuentinQuonce said:
It'd be really weird to debut Calyrex and not involve Eternatus somehow (not that following the lore accurately has ever been something they've prioritised)
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Calyrex's connection to Eternatus is in the margins, shrouded in implications anyway, so "following the lore" wouldn't really be a thing. Eternatus would always be tied significantly more to the wolves, so even if Eternatus was saved for a Go Fest it would probably be similar to whatever is about to happen.
 
With all the info on Eternatus out there, easy to see why it's so locked off. It's a one-off available to everyone for finishing the new event's go pass and the incentive to do the Eternamax raid is till give a ton of candy



Which it needs because it takes a metric boatload of the stuff compared to a normal Pokemon
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/1m7hagk/eternatus_power_up_costs_datamined

If I had to guess Eternatus probably won't be to be traded/transferred until they run Eternamax again at minimum. Could be waiting until Galar tour at the worst end.
 
The Astronomical candy cost is clearly to force people to play the event instead of using any Stockpiled Rare Candy. I'd like to note that for this to match standard raid rates, it would have to be literally 200 Candy/100 XL per Max Battle, and that's assuming you fit the ~30-40 battles inside of a weekend instead of farmed over a week or two.

This just continues a trend I've been feeling in one corner of my mind that Dynamax is trying to essentially course correct things the Bean Counters don't like about the current distribution systems:
  • Rare Candy leading people not to raid a new mon for resources led to fusion energies and now sums so astronomical they can't work outside "designated" mons like Mythicals
  • Max Particles requiring you to visit multiple stops and actively walk around (more activity and "look what those people are playing" publicity) vs Raids being able to simply pick up the pass on the spot
  • Max Battles having "tiers" with different costs while you have to use them up every day so people will bother with the weaker ones (vs Raids where the Cost-Benefit of a flat Pass usage always favors the strongest ones)
  • Dmax in the first place being a "you need Pokemon caught from Max Battles or Research to participate" to devalue existing power ups and double dip on power progression for several types (Dynamax being universal in MSG highlights this was a Mobile decision)
  • Max Spot candy rewards vs Gyms, both in what they give (Free Candy vs Free Coins) being separate from Premium and completely changing the community dynamic (Gym control encourages low activity spots so they can wait out the 50 Coin threshold, Max Spots want more battlers to get the 3+ needed for max candy reward)
  • The Battle system in general, while maybe not deliberate in doing this, is much more trying to push High Level players to NEED groups compared to duo-soloable Raids, with things like Max Meter charging being massive hindrances without bodies in the party and the restricted options preventing a faceroll with their pre-existing Tier 1 attackers like using Groudon instead of Excadrill.
  • Additionally, the 4 member limit and emphasis on tanking means casual players can't just be carried on a raid to a capture as simply as something like me and the Community Ambassador helping 6-7 Kid players with Level 20 random NFE captures to win against a Lunala raid.
  • Simultaneously, Max Battles are somehow harder to coordinate than Raids without private lobbies or things like Party Grouping, meaning EVERYONE has to be ready to do everything depending on who they get paired up with (can't designate 1-2 tanks, everyone has to be ready to be the tank in case the other people they get assigned don't have one). This will mostly come up at GMax events or high traffic stuff like the Legendary.
The whole system feels designed to correct monetization shortcomings they've found with the raid system over the years without the PR backlash of changing raids themselves too much. Then poke people to try it with things like easy Starters or Zacian and Zamazenta, before shoving into the Deep-end with GMax and Eternatus
  • Makes casuals have to play or ask around more to be capable of contributing and again pushes the community together into more events since there's only so much power creep that can make high level fights possible on Low man.
 
level 80 here we come, not sure what to expect. Anyways my Valor alt got a 15/15/14 Eternatus but shall hold off on any power ups until I can determine if it's better to power up in CP or in its max attack move at least.
 
R_N said:
I've been tracking them for a while and I find the 2025 release schedule very interesting compared to 2024 & even 2023

For reference, 2023 released 56 Pokemon
2023 TOTAL: 56
-Jan 7 - 1 (Kecleon)
-Feb 27 - 2 (Gimmighoul line)
-March 1 - 1 (Hawlucha)
-March 8 - 1 (Bruxish)
-March 11 - 1 (Regidrago)
-April 4 - 2 (Cutiefly line)
-April 9 - 1 (Regieleki)
-April 20 - 3 (Bounsweet line)
-May 2 - 2 (Larvesta line)
-May 6 - 1 (Kleavor)
-June 6 - 2 (Sandygast line)
-June 21 - 1 (Carbink)
-June 29 - 1 (Turtonator)
-July 15 - 1 (Komala)
-July 20 - 1 (Zygarde)
-Aug 4 - 1 (Diancie)
-Aug 11 - 1 (Passimian) [23]
-Sep 5 - 11 (Gen 9 starters, Lechonk line)
-Sep 10 - 9 (assorted Gen 9)
-Oct 7 - 2 (Skiddo line)
-Oct 12 - 3 (Smoliv line)
-Oct 19 - 2 (Greavard line)
-Nov 5 - 1 (Clodsire)
-Nov 7 - 2 (Tadbulb line)
-Dec 18 - 2 (Cetoddle line)
-Dec 23 - 1 (Wyrdeer)

To that point the only year that released less Pokemon was 2021 (48). But it's a very nickle & dime release schedule. And yet, a trove of riches compared with 2024 which released 40
2024 TOTAL: 40
-Jan 19 - 1 (Annihilape)
-Jan 27 - 2 (Varoom line)
-Feb 5 - 1 (Drampa)
-Feb 14 - 1 (Enamorus)
-March 1 - 1 (Poipole)
-March 5 - 3 (Charcadet line)
-April 22 - 2 (Wiglett line) [11]
-May 23 - 3 (Naganadel, Stakataka, Blacephalon)
-May 30 - 2 (Necrozma, Marshadow)
-July 17 - 2 (Tandemaus line) [18]
-Sep 3 - 13 (Gen 8 starters, Dreepy line, Stonjourner)
-Sep 18 - 3 (Hatenna line)
-Oct 22 - 1 (Morpeko)
-Nov 16 - 2 (Toxel line)
-Nov 27 - 1 (Cursola)
-Dec 3 - 2 (Sinistea line)

And the bulk of that number comes from the Gen 8 drop. It's very thin otherwise.

Meanwhile 2025 to this point has already released 23 Pokemon (24 counting Volcanion since we know when that's coming)
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-Jan 3 - 2 (Fidough line)
-Jan 15 - 2 (Shroodle line)
-Jan 21 - 3 (Rookidee line)
-Feb 11 - 1 (Dhelmise)
-March 5 - 1 (Kubfu [Untransferrable])
-March 19 - 2 (Nickit line)
-March 26 - 2 (Sizzlipede line)
-March 31 - 2 (Mudbray line)
-April 9 - 2 (Gossifleur line)
-April 16 - 3 (Tinkatink line)
-April 24 - 3 (5) (Applin line [Dipplin & Hydrapple Home only])
-Go Fest - 1 (Volcanion)

I added a few points above around july/august showing how many mons had come out respectively; we've blown past July 2024 and are at the same number (exceeding, technically) as August 2023. They've released a new Pokemon almost every week -february was the most barren so far-. It's very peculiar since the drip feed felt very purposeful considering the number of Pokemon they have left to release.


It's possible it's just them reflecting on the drip feed complaints, but the cynic in me wonders if it's just a way to juice revenue for the buy out + trying to keep people on board during the transition to Scopely. I'll be curious if this continues the rest of the year
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So now that we're done with August , I thought I could do another checkin.

-May 10 - 1 (Kingambit)
-June - 1 (Urshifu)
-Go Fest - 1 (Volcanion)
-June 20 - 2 (Yamper line)
-July 15 - 1 (Tatsugiri)
-July 22 - 3 (Honedge line)
-July 29 - 2 (Toedscool line)
-August 6 - 2 (Snom line)
-August 18 - 1 (Eternatus [cannot be transferred])
-August 25 - 1 (Dondozo)

May was like February, just kind of a dead month. June, July & August however all had 3 lines added, though in all it's still less than the first four months along had (23 vs 14). Still that puts us at 37 and we already know Indeedee is coming September 16 and that this season will bring Duraludon, Dipplin, Hydrapple, & the Impidimp line for the Wild Area. That alone puts us at 44 and there will presumably be a few other releases (ala Indeedee) this season and we'll definitely get some more for December. Likely it wont break 2023's amount but probably get close to 50 depending on what they decide to release. =

And some people think Sinistcha & Poltchageist might come this season too since there was some matcha props in the trailer. I'd say halloween but they released their OG counterparts in December last year so ??


Meanwhile, once the announced ones are out...
Gen 4 is still waiting on Phione, Manaphy & Arceus. I strongly suspect that Arceus will be treated like Eternatus in terms of power.
Gen 6 is now complete thanks to Volcanion & Honedge. Home, however, still can't fill in all the slots due to Zygarde being untransferrable. Z-A should force their hands on this and make them release more Zygardes, though. Probably why it's in the anniversary art.
Gen 7 still lacks 9 Pokemon: Wishiwashi, Pyukumuku, Minior, the ever waiting Mimikyu, Type Null/Silvally, Magearna & Zeraora. Type Null I think will be a season long research thing and hwo they decide to handle Silvally's forms will reflect on how they'll handle Arceus. We've all the UBs so it's posible they make us wait for these until they decide to do Ultra Necrozma. Who knows how long that'll be.
Gen 8's made good progress. Only 28 remain after Impidimp is out. I assume that Calyrex & the horses will be the centerpiece of a Go Fest. Maybe next year? Very unfortuante for me, Eternatus being a one-off gift Pokemon means you can't transfer it ala Zygarde. Who knows when they decide to release a second one.
Hisui is still only missing Basculegion. Cosnidering this season's gimmick is transformation, I think we can see it happen this year. White Stripe's been waiting for ages now.
Paldea, predictably, is missing a lot. 32 regular Pokemon; 3 of those are evolutions for Archaludon, Farigiraf & Dudunsparce. 34 legendary pokemon. The anniversary did tease paradoxes, perhaps we could start seeing those later in the year? Could also see Cyclizar as a prelude to the raidons.
 
I live on the eastern side of the Meridean line but work on the western side, so I've been accustomed to seeing the different forms of Shellos (still hunting the shiny blue form...) but noticed on Tuesday that blue Shellos was spawning near my workplace. Reddit seemed to confirm they'd swapped...

...until I saw the blue one by my house today, where it shouldn't (now) be.

So are both forms spawning worldwide now?
 
0h I just noticed a go thread cool. Can any mon have full red(hundo?) I mostly ask cause I have a mellan 1 Alice off hundo. Not sure if I should go back to using mystery box every few days. I mean even if I can improve it 1 point might just forego that but...good to know I guess.
 
Omastar68 said:
0h I just noticed a go thread cool. Can any mon have full red(hundo?) I mostly ask cause I have a mellan 1 Alice off hundo. Not sure if I should go back to using mystery box every few days. I mean even if I can improve it 1 point might just forego that but...good to know I guess.
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I think the only Pokemon that can't roll a 100% are Shadow pokemon (I think those can only ever be 97% which purifies into a 100%?). So you can just keep rolling meltans.
 
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