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I don't think I am as excited about megas as I should be. Which is weird, because I do love the concept of it and making your favourite Pokémon (mine’s Gengar, Scizor, and Venusaur) even stronger than before. However, I do have some concerns with it.

The thing is with Megas is that, while they’re supposed to make a Pokémon more powerful than its base form, not all Megas are created equal, such as Mega Abomasnow, Beedrill, or Camerupt. Because when they were designed, there were megas which are clearly superior to everyone else: Mega Metagross, Salamence, Kangaskhan, Gengar, and Mawile. Lucario and Rayquaza are also broken in singles: the former has Adaptability with high attacking stats, while the latter can Mega Evolve and hold any item. There are some megas that could keep up with those broken mons at least in doubles, like Mega Charizard Y or Mega Scizor, but that’s really it. As such, I am unsure of whether the new megas will be able to keep up with the broken old mons, such as whether Mega Victreebel’s typing will be effective against Mega Gengar and Metagross. Granted, they can get some utility to give them a niche, like Mega Victreebel can confuse enemies similar to Pecharunt’s Poison Puppeteer, but they can’t be designed to be too broken. Fortunately, there are Smogon lower tiers where players can use low-tier Mega Evolutions without having to worry about the overpowered ones. I’m also wondering which mons really need a Mega Evolution. I love Hawlucha’s and Dragonite’s Mega design, but I would prefer it if mons like Milotic, Flygon, or Luxray have Mega Evolutions, considering that they fell off (at least when comparing to their competitors), and they’re still pretty popular (thanks Raihan for making Flygon and Gigalith loved again).

However, I would also prefer if some mons just didn’t get a Mega Evolution like Infernape, Hydregion, or Krookodile. They either had a good run and are still remarkably good, or their mega forms might make their design go over the top. The latter is why I prefer base Malamar over its Mega form; I prefer its hairline(?) and slightly bigger body, as well as its way to hypnotise people by flashing lights from its body.

I also would argue that not being a Mega form would actually allow them to be more flexible in their kits. Just look at Infernape’s competitive history: Choice Specs, Choice Band, Choice Scarf, Life Orb, Expert Belt (specifically Gen 4), that one niche set in Gen 6, where it had slackened off to take on Bisharp and Weavile (correct me if I am wrong). Or Hydregion being able to run a special attacking set, a mixed set, or run a defensive set with Roost and Defog.

This is also unavoidable and possibly nitpicky, since Megas are supposed to be a temporary boost in power (or aura farming at least), but Megas are just going to be designed as a min-maxed version of it, without any variety or differentiation from its base form. The only mons that would accomplish this are Mega Venusaur (who turns from a sunny speedster to a fat tank), Mega Charizard, and Mega Mewtwo X (Special to Physical attacker and gains a new typing), and Mega Garchomp, who trades speed in exchange for bulk and Sand Force.]
 
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I don't think I am as excited about megas as I should be. Which is weird, because I do love the concept of it and making your favourite Pokémon (mine’s Gengar, Scizor, and Venusaur) even stronger than before. However, I do have some concerns with it.

The thing is with Megas is that, while they’re supposed to make a Pokémon more powerful than its base form, not all Megas are created equal, such as Mega Abomasnow, Beedrill, or Camerupt. Because when they were designed, there were megas which are clearly superior to everyone else: Mega Metagross, Salamence, Kangaskhan, Gengar, and Mawile. Lucario and Rayquaza are also broken in singles: the former has Adaptability with high attacking stats, while the latter can Mega Evolve and hold any item. There are some megas that could keep up with those broken mons at least in doubles, like Mega Charizard Y or Mega Scizor, but that’s really it. As such, I am unsure of whether the new megas will be able to keep up with the broken old mons, such as whether Mega Victreebel’s typing will be effective against Mega Gengar and Metagross. Granted, they can get some utility to give them a niche, like Mega Victreebel can confuse enemies similar to Pecharunt’s Poison Puppeteer, but they can’t be designed to be too broken. Fortunately, there are Smogon lower tiers where players can use low-tier Mega Evolutions without having to worry about the overpowered ones. I’m also wondering which mons really need a Mega Evolution. I love Hawlucha’s and Dragonite’s Mega design, but I would prefer it if mons like Milotic, Flygon, or Luxray have Mega Evolutions, considering that they fell off (at least when comparing to their competitors), and they’re still pretty popular (thanks Raihan for making Flygon and Gigalith loved again).

However, I would also prefer if some mons just didn’t get a Mega Evolution like Infernape, Hydregion, or Krookodile. They either had a good run and are still remarkably good, or their mega forms might make their design go over the top. The latter is why I prefer base Malamar over its Mega form; I prefer its hairline(?) and slightly bigger body, as well as its way to hypnotise people by flashing lights from its body.

I also would argue that not being a Mega form would actually allow them to be more flexible in their kits. Just look at Infernape’s competitive history: Choice Specs, Choice Band, Choice Scarf, Life Orb, Expert Belt (specifically Gen 4), that one niche set in Gen 6, where it had slackened off to take on Bisharp and Weavile (correct me if I am wrong). Or Hydregion being able to run a special attacking set, a mixed set, or run a defensive set with Roost and Defog.

This is also unavoidable and possibly nitpicky, since Megas are supposed to be a temporary boost in power (or aura farming at least), but Megas are just going to be designed as a min-maxed version of it, without any variety or differentiation from its base form. The only mons that would accomplish this are Mega Venusaur (who turns from a sunny speedster to a fat tank), Mega Charizard, and Mega Mewtwo X (Special to Physical attacker and gains a new typing), and Mega Garchomp, who trades speed in exchange for bulk and Sand Force.

Ack maybe put spoilers. Heh. Well I am glad victreebel gets it but lol
 
Ack maybe put spoilers. Heh. Well I am glad victreebel gets it but lol
Oh sorry, I didn't know if I have spoiled any potential leaks.
I haven't looked at any leaks from Legends A-Z, and I was saying based on information from past tournaments and hypotheticals. Like when I mentioned Mega Victreebel, I was saying on whether it could handle Mega Gengar and Mega Metagross because its Grass/Poison typing wouldn't be very effective.
That being said, if it is spoiling anything, I have hidden the text under a section in my post, in case I have accidentally leaked anything.
 
Oh sorry, I didn't know if I have spoiled any potential leaks.
I haven't looked at any leaks from Legends A-Z, and I was saying based on information from past tournaments and hypotheticals. Like when I mentioned Mega Victreebel, I was saying on whether it could handle Mega Gengar and Mega Metagross because its Grass/Poison typing wouldn't be very effective.
That being said, if it is spoiling anything, I have hidden the text under a section in my post, in case I have accidentally leaked anything.

Np. I actually heard on the radio people aren't TRULY bothered by spoilers, esp nice ppl so lol maybe. Yeah I don't keep up with much news, but I did buy za for Oct.
 
Mega Victreebel and Malamar were officially revealed, though? There weren't any leaked Megas mentioned.

Yes, but I haven't even followed official stuff TBH. I mean maybe that doesn't count then, and I'm def not bothered it's just IDK, something to think about on the off chance someone is. Put simply, there's no benefit to spoiling or near spooling as the case may be, we. If there is no harm.
 
Huh, someone liked one of my posts in Unpopular Opinions? I haven't posted here in quite some time (been meaning to jump back in, as well as the Mystery/Conspiracy thread). Wonder what post they liked... MARCH 12, 2015?! Well, um, thank you for the Like, MoonlightRose! :blobthumbsup:

Hm, what was that post about. Let's see: a delve into how they could have written Zinnia's character better, GF doing DLC, and how GF could try to fake contact damage.

Shut the f*** up about DLC, it's not happening in the main series games unless GF does a 180 with their philosophy.

TBF it did take 5 more years & 2 gens. And I think this was before we all started to get a jaded with GF.

surely they wouldn't create additional locked off areas to the power plant which look interesting to go to without having a plan for us to go there in some way. Maybe not in XY obviously, but I have hopes in XY2 especially with Volcanion's event as you said.
Zygarde: It'll probably get its story told in XY2. As of right now we only know it protects the environment and when its in disarray it'll release its secret power to restore it.

:totodiLUL: XY2, oh that's a good one past me. I was so much funnier back then.

Over the years, I've come to accept that the Dark Type is never getting a gym, not while it's name and many of the Pokemon and the moves listed under it have such negative connotations in Japan. If you ever see it as a Gym, the gym leader will most likely be working for the villains.

The only time you'll ever see the Dark Type used in great numbers is by the villain team and bosses, and by the Elite 4 as one of the greatest challenges the player has to prevail over on the way to becoming Champion, and even then the Elite Four members who use Dark Types are dodgy, with Karen being a member of Team Rocket in the manga, Sidney being a suspected Team Magma member and Grimsley being a fricken vampire(Gamefreak WTF?!).

My dream to face a Dark type gym is dead, lol, what am I talking about, it was never alive to start with.
Dark-type Gym:
Actually Daemul, though it is called Evil-type its more referring to them fighting dirty rather than being villain evil (I'm sure there are some exceptions (Malamar, Spiritomb), just like there are some exceptions to the opposite (Absol, Umbreon, Pangoro)). And as you noted there have been Elite Four members of the Dark-type who while have a bit of moral ambiguity (Karen is a bit of a rebel in her view of things, Sidney is styled after the punk genre, and Grimsley is a gambler who openly encourages you to do whatever possible to win). Infact the Elite Four member who is outright a villain (or part of a villain team, not counting the manga since we're talking about the games) is Malva and she's a Fire-type specialist (she doesn't even use a Houndoom on her team). So why can't we have a morally ambiguous Gym Leader? Like maybe it can be a street gang who don't like the law or government but do care for their home town. Maybe have it be a lawyer who you're told would do anything to win a case, similar Grimsley, though he justifies it saying that's his job (and maybe even throw in an Ace Attorney reference like him saying its a duty of a lawyer to believe their client is innocent and he'll let the evidence prove him right or wrong). Heck, maybe surprise us by just ignoring that aspect of Dark-type and focus on another like maybe have them be an astrologer who likes looking into the deep darkness of space (and before you say anything, Umbreon is a Dark-type yet that just seems to be because it prefers the night and darkness than because it fights dirty).
1) Okay, let the Dark-type Gym Leader be part of the villainous team. We are used to the concept since Generation I and we are, and always have been, fine with that.
2) Why not have a Dark-type Gym Leader to show us that maybe the type was misrepresented when it was named. That would be cool and it would be a reminder not to judge a book by its cover. Especially since we have seen good characters used Dark-type Pokémon on their teams, even though they weren't Dark-type specialists (Steven, Cynthia, Wallace).

1. We're certainly a dramatic bunch, aren't we?

2. Working together we've got pretty close to predicting Piers and Team Yell.

Out of all the legendary trios, I really hated the Regis because they seemed to just lack anything resembling a "personality". It looked like they were trying to build up a story behind them, but it just felt lacking and didn't explain much about them other than they existed and were then locked up. Why were they made or anything like that? They just were created and then locked up. And it doesn't help that "unlocking" their caves was a pain in the ass.
Regi Key: It does feel like we're missing something to the story of the Golem Trio. Regigigas sort of fill in some gaps they you can conclude that the Golem Trio are meant to be keys relating to Regigigas... but keys to what? To seal Regigigas? If so does that mean they would fight against Regigigas? Or is Regigigas their master and they follow its orders. But would that mean Regigigas made them? So what are they keys to then if Regigigas is the one who controls them?
We're missing their relationship with Regigigas and possibly other details. They feel almost like an ancient alien artifact in a way, maybe that's the point?
And I would have liked their puzzles to maybe be a bit more complex and sort of related to their theme (and maybe even answer some of our questions about them on the way), like a sort of mini-dungeon. Maybe even let them use the braille they put in a bit more.

Not sure I would say Crown Tundra's addition to the Legendary Giants added that much more detail or backstory, though it at very least confirmed Regigigas is the master and creator of the Giants.

Mewtwo: Made by a team of scientists (the scientists working for Team Rocket was something added by other media, in the games it was ambiguous who the scientists were doing it for) to be the ultimate weapon. According to the journal entries in the Pokemon Mansion it was either a Mew they performed genetic experiments on or it was cloned, depends on the adaption.
hanks to virtually all of us having grown up with Pokémon the First Movie, it is all of the headcanoned. Also, it had a similar origin in Adventures, being created by Blaine when he used to work for Team Rocket. Pretty much every form of Pokémon media has tied Team Rocket into the creation of Mewtwo except the games themselves and Pokémon Origins. At this point, the games might as well just make it canon.

And with USUM they pretty much did, and now Mewtwo has pretty much been made Giovanni's Legendary ace.

Arceus: In the beginning there was nothing but a chaotic void. From the void an egg appeared which hatched into Arcues. Arceus used its power to create the Creation Trio thus creating the universe. It then created the Lake Guardians to give the universe spirit and consciousness. It then fell into a deep slumber in the Hall of Origins. Using the Azure Flute on the peak of Spear Pillar would create an ethereal stairway to the Hall of Origin where a now awakened Arceus awaits.

Legends: Arceus certainly shed a bit more light here, didn't it?

I want to see the next evil team being ALL Fairy Types now. That would really shake everything up. Something something anti-dragons.
I'm of the opinion that's a sailed ship. The prime opportunity for an evil team using Fairy-types was when they were first introduced in XY, with something of a "brainwash the fairies and make them do all our bidding!!" modus operandi... or anything equally or less cheesy. You catch my drift, I'm sure.
Actually since they went with steel and poison weakness they could have gone with the true grotesque nature of the fairy folk.

Still no Fairy-type evil team, though GF has leaned into the "fair folk" side of Fairy-types a few times now. And not just with Pokemon like the Impidimp line, but we've gotten quite a few "twisted" Fairy specialists (Pink... oh, and Ortega).

I'm not sure if they'd do a Grass E4 simply because the type is less than stellar defensively. All I know is they should do a first gym that's actually reasonably fair to all three starters. Having a Rock gym so often is just killer for anybody going Fire. (Especially Gen IV with that damn Cranidos.)

Well, we all can't be wrong. :bloblul: Poor Grass, I guess we did have Milo though we never battled him in Rose Stadium in the main game (worst he got matched with Raihan in Round 1).

As for first Gym Types fair to Starters: SM was Normal which is as fair as you can get to most any Type; speaking of Milo, SwSh was Grass was obviously wasn't balanced; and SV was technically Bug going by Levels so once again not balanced. Of course SwSh and SV had plenty of wild options to deal with Milo and Katy so it was really a non-issue.

Well, that was certainly a walk down memory lane with 20/20 hindsight glasses. :blobuwu:
 
Huh, someone liked one of my posts in Unpopular Opinions? I haven't posted here in quite some time (been meaning to jump back in, as well as the Mystery/Conspiracy thread). Wonder what post they liked... MARCH 12, 2015?! Well, um, thank you for the Like, MoonlightRose! :blobthumbsup:

Hm, what was that post about. Let's see: a delve into how they could have written Zinnia's character better, GF doing DLC, and how GF could try to fake contact damage.

TBF it did take 5 more years & 2 gens. And I think this was before we all started to get a jaded with GF.




:totodiLUL: XY2, oh that's a good one past me. I was so much funnier back then.





1. We're certainly a dramatic bunch, aren't we?

2. Working together we've got pretty close to predicting Piers and Team Yell.




Not sure I would say Crown Tundra's addition to the Legendary Giants added that much more detail or backstory, though it at very least confirmed Regigigas is the master and creator of the Giants.




And with USUM they pretty much did, and now Mewtwo has pretty much been made Giovanni's Legendary ace.



Legends: Arceus certainly shed a bit more light here, didn't it?





Still no Fairy-type evil team, though GF has leaned into the "fair folk" side of Fairy-types a few times now. And not just with Pokemon like the Impidimp line, but we've gotten quite a few "twisted" Fairy specialists (Pink... oh, and Ortega).



Well, we all can't be wrong. :bloblul: Poor Grass, I guess we did have Milo though we never battled him in Rose Stadium in the main game (worst he got matched with Raihan in Round 1).

As for first Gym Types fair to Starters: SM was Normal which is as fair as you can get to most any Type; speaking of Milo, SwSh was Grass was obviously wasn't balanced; and SV was technically Bug going by Levels so once again not balanced. Of course SwSh and SV had plenty of wild options to deal with Milo and Katy so it was really a non-issue.

Well, that was certainly a walk down memory lane with 20/20 hindsight glasses. :blobuwu:
Maturing is realizing the ORAS and USUM were the precursors to the DLC expansions all along. This was their plan ever since Shigeru Ohmori took over as executive director of original releases. It’s a bit less evident with the Hoenn remakes but you (other people) can’t deny that those games have a lot in common with the DLCs- returning Legendaries primarily for the sake of VGC, more postgame story and some extra content I never said it was good content but y’all aren’t ready for that discussion, explanation for the generational gimmick’s origins, all of those started here. You even get some Mythical Pokémon out of this trend as a nice bonus if you’re into that sort of thing.
 
Huh, someone liked one of my posts in Unpopular Opinions? I haven't posted here in quite some time (been meaning to jump back in, as well as the Mystery/Conspiracy thread). Wonder what post they liked... MARCH 12, 2015?! Well, um, thank you for the Like, MoonlightRose! :blobthumbsup:

Hm, what was that post about. Let's see: a delve into how they could have written Zinnia's character better, GF doing DLC, and how GF could try to fake contact damage.

TBF it did take 5 more years & 2 gens. And I think this was before we all started to get a jaded with GF.




:totodiLUL: XY2, oh that's a good one past me. I was so much funnier back then.





1. We're certainly a dramatic bunch, aren't we?

2. Working together we've got pretty close to predicting Piers and Team Yell.




Not sure I would say Crown Tundra's addition to the Legendary Giants added that much more detail or backstory, though it at very least confirmed Regigigas is the master and creator of the Giants.




And with USUM they pretty much did, and now Mewtwo has pretty much been made Giovanni's Legendary ace.



Legends: Arceus certainly shed a bit more light here, didn't it?





Still no Fairy-type evil team, though GF has leaned into the "fair folk" side of Fairy-types a few times now. And not just with Pokemon like the Impidimp line, but we've gotten quite a few "twisted" Fairy specialists (Pink... oh, and Ortega).



Well, we all can't be wrong. :bloblul: Poor Grass, I guess we did have Milo though we never battled him in Rose Stadium in the main game (worst he got matched with Raihan in Round 1).

As for first Gym Types fair to Starters: SM was Normal which is as fair as you can get to most any Type; speaking of Milo, SwSh was Grass was obviously wasn't balanced; and SV was technically Bug going by Levels so once again not balanced. Of course SwSh and SV had plenty of wild options to deal with Milo and Katy so it was really a non-issue.

Well, that was certainly a walk down memory lane with 20/20 hindsight glasses. :blobuwu:
This thread makes for good reading when you're bored at work

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To keep this post relevant to the top, I don't like Dragonite. Even leaving aside that it doesn't look anything like Dragonair, I just find it ugly.
 
I don't know if this is a hot take, but as time goes on, I like Incineroar more and more. It's played the role of heel so perfectly that it's the scourge of not only trainers in the lore:

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...but also in real life competitive VGC.

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However, like with any heel, it's all just a character. Incineroar has a soft side to it:

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Honestly I think a lot of these wouldn’t really be unpopular? Mega Sableye and Mega Mawile preempting the base forms out of potentially receiving proper evolutions has been a sour note for people for over a decade, lots of people wished Sirfetch’d had just been a straight Farfetch’d evo instead of a regional branch, lots of people think Galarian Corsola and Cursola should have been Ghost/Rock (even I do, and I barely ever object to official type designations), Poison/Ice is a very common wish-it-could-have-been for Sneasler, we all think the way they handled Kleavor and Wyrdeer outside of Legends: Arceus was asinine, and everyone knows Mega Ray getting to use a held item is mad busted and would like to nerf it.

I think retconning stuff like Electivire and Ursaluna into Megas would probably be more contentious, if only because of the aforementioned phenomenon of people seeing a Pokémon get a Mega and saying, “Why couldn’t this be a regular evo instead of a temporary form?”, which is a tension that’s really just intrinsic to the sheer existence of Megas as a concept.

I suppose my unpopular counter-take is that I kind of like stuff like Galarian Farfetch’d existing as a platform for Sirfetch’d, even if it comes at the expense of regular Farfetch’d, but that’s because I’m a lot less interested in Farfetch’d ever becoming viable, and am more enthused by the cross-cultural joke that is Galarian Farfetch’d. It’s all just personal preference, of course, so I respect why people think it should simply be a regular Farfetch’d evolution, but for me, with Pokémon, the creature and world design has always come first, the accessibility of each Pokémon second, and then the actual viability of them in battle at a distant third (I know I’m saying that on Smogon of all places, lol)
 
I think Rhyperior/Electivire/Magmortar/Porygon-Z feel too fundamentally distinct from their pre-evolutions to really make sense as Mega Evolutions for Rhydon/Electabuzz/Magmar/Porygon2. I could see an argument for retconning PorygonZ into a Porygon2 mega evolution, though, but even then I think Porygon-Z works better as a regular evolution, not a mega evolution. It's simply too distinct from Porygon2 imo - Mega Evolutions generally should stay somewhat close to the base forms, and Porygon-Z doesn't do that enough to warrant retconning it into a mega evo.

Retconning Ursaluna and Kingambit into Mega Evolutions, I could somewhat see an argument for, but again, those arguments fall apart the moment you realize that they're just too distinct from their base forms to really make it happen.

Finally, I don't get the argument for making Primal Kyogre Water/Electric (ok, maybe I do, but it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense in terms of flavor), nor the changes to the Primals' weathers. Primal Groudon's weather basically changes nothing because it's already a fuckin Ground-type, and Primal Kyogre's weather changes a little more for it, but also not enough to really justify changing it like this.

I'm not saying that these proposed changes are necessarily bad - in fact, I like a few of them, actually! (mostly retconning Sableye/Mawile/Banette mega evos as regular evos, though for Sableye and Banette it feels like you couldn't really port their designs 1:1 into a regular evolution - Audino's mega can stay, but I do see the argument for retconning it into a regular evolution.) Still, a lot of them feel like they're changing things for the sake of change.
 
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Porygon-Z is literally Porygon2 rearranged. Literally its head and boy upside down, and its limbs flared out. Hell I believe there is a Legends Arceus animation where it stands like Pory2.

Seriously:

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Rhyperior is Rhydon with plate armor. Mega coded design if there ever was one.
 
There was some discussions about x type should resist and/or be SE to x. I think rock should resist dragon, kinda.

Rock is medium at best for defensive type, it could use the buff. Moreover, dragons are famous for fire, despite being a separate type from that, and rock resists fire ofc. Other than fire dragons fly, which rock resists. So just the dragon swooping at a rock won't so as much I'd imagine. And this probably wouldn't make dragon too much weaker, it's just improve their coverage options for rock(eq,) and serve to further discourage outrage, or even the main STAB in general since it's crap coverage.

I like this thread lol. Either I get many to agree(yay,) or I can point out the name is UNpopular opinions
 
I, personally, am absolutely fine with Sableye being locked out of an evo. We really don't need a fat Prankster user with a good movepool and only one weakness.

Plus Mega Sableye was already one of the best Megas in ORAS, to the point it got banned. Why would you functionally buff it lol.
 
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I, personally, am absolutely fine with Sableye being locked out of an evo. We really don't need a fat Prankster user with a good movepool and only one weakness.

Plus Mega Sableye was already one of the best Megas in ORAS, to the point it got banned. Why would you functionally buff it lol.
See, what makes this even funnier is that this was effectively the same outcome as giving regular Sableye an Eviolite anyway. Except this time it gets to be immune to Knock Off’s item removal too!
 
In that image, I explicity worked the stats of the defensive evolutions as to not have the Eviolite preevos be superior.

As, in terms of unpopular opinions, I find eviolite 'mons being better than their evolutions to be gross.

Also, another unpopular opinion: Return and Frustration being gone is no issue IF Body Slam and Double Edge are widely spread.

Normal moves being better than other types to compensate for not dealing SE damage is IMO good; Flare Blitz and co going down to 110 BP while Double Edge remains at 120, for instance. We don't need elemental Boombursts.

Pursuit should work like priority moves and not give extra damage to stuff switching out: 40 base power, but hits the 'mon switching out, is already a fine compromise.

Hydro Pump has the best balance of accuracy vs power; 80% is the way to go.

Surf and Hydro Pump should get the flinch chance Waterfall has; their lack of secondary effect has always been weird.

Cross Chop and Stone Edge becoming Leaf Blade variants would be just fine.

Dynamic Punch and Inferno should follow Zap Cannon's example and go up to 120 BP.
 
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