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SPOILERS! Legends ZA Data Dumps - Adding Info to OP
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Most likely, as mentioned, through Pokémon HOME next year. The only other possibilities would be an event distribution or a post-launch patch of some kind, but we would have no way of knowing such things were coming.
the catch a jumbo pumpkaboo quest giver says outright that you can't really tell what variety an alpha is, thus why she doesn't accept alphas for the quest.
I guess Alpha Small is bigger than any Jumbo... Still wondering about the biggest Non-Alpha Small compared to the smallest Jumbo.
There's an way to tell the size of an Alpha if you haven't changed the moveset yet. You know how every Alpha knows a TM move? Each size has a different move. Small knows Psychic, Medium knows Flamethrower, Large knows Dark Pulse, and Jumbo knows Rock Slide.
Side Note: I'm pretty sure Hydro Pump is a TM in this game just so there's a TM for Alpha Magikarp. It was either that or Bounce and the "Oh crap!" moment from a Wild Magikarp using Hydro Pump is funnier.
Presumably, you’d be able to tell based on stats. Not on size, perhaps.
so a bunch of these abilities ended up being the ones used for the PLZA Petmod. Go me, lol.
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The PLZA what? Didn't hear of that
An aspect of the base game Megas that isn't brought up enough is how excluding both starter sets, Floette and Zygarde you have exactly 18, with each one corresponding to a type. Falinks represents Fighting, which means Hawlucha is the Flying slot, which in turn means Skarmory is meant to represent Steel, etc.
With this logic in mind I looked at the datamined DLC roster. Given that we know both Raichus remain pure Electric we have.... 18 slots again. Doesn't seem coincidental! Here's my best attempt to map them out and decipher what type additions we might see:
My conclusions are thus:
-Absol Z, Zeraora and either Chimecho or Meowstic will gain a new type (all these make sense given the unlikelihood they'd double up on monotypes across different mons, and it would make more sense for Absol to gain a new type instead of Darkrai to differentiate from its original Mega)
-Fighting, Flying and either Poison or Rock will be what they gain (Remember, using the scheme Glimmora is meant to be the rep for only one of the two despite being dual type, I also can't see anyone gaining Normal hence why Staraptor is in that slot and not Flying)
-If Lucario and Garchomp Z change types, it'll most likely be Fighting and Dragon respectively that get replaced (If Garchomp were to lose Ground Golurk would become the Ground rep, leaving nobody primarily meant as Ghost)
Psychic/Flying Chimecho checks out flavor-wise (Wind Rider would be a home run for its ability) while Electric/Fighting Zeraora would fit into the Mega Charizard X mold of meathead fanservice. Dark/Poison Absol feels like an off-kilter but semi-plausible twisting of its flavor. If there's some other possible configuration lemme know because I'm too tired to figure one out right now
Bug: Scolipede
Dark: Scrafty
Dragon: Dragonite
Electric: Eelektross
Fairy: Clefable
Fighting: Falinks
Fire: Pyroar
Flying: Hawlucha
Ghost: Chandelure
Grass: Victreebel
Ground: Excadrill
Ice: Froslass
Normal: Drampa
Poison: Dragalge
Psychic: Malamar
Rock: Barbaracle
Steel: Skarmory
Water: Starmie
Dark: Scrafty
Dragon: Dragonite
Electric: Eelektross
Fairy: Clefable
Fighting: Falinks
Fire: Pyroar
Flying: Hawlucha
Ghost: Chandelure
Grass: Victreebel
Ground: Excadrill
Ice: Froslass
Normal: Drampa
Poison: Dragalge
Psychic: Malamar
Rock: Barbaracle
Steel: Skarmory
Water: Starmie
With this logic in mind I looked at the datamined DLC roster. Given that we know both Raichus remain pure Electric we have.... 18 slots again. Doesn't seem coincidental! Here's my best attempt to map them out and decipher what type additions we might see:
Bug: Golisopod
Dark: Darkrai
Dragon: Baxcalibur
Electric: Raichu X & Y, Zeraora
Fairy: Magearna
Fighting: ???
Fire: Heatran
Flying: ???
Ghost: Golurk
Grass: Scovillain
Ground: Garchomp Z
Ice: Crabominable
Normal: Staraptor
Poison: Glimmora
Psychic: Chimecho, Meowstic
Rock: Glimmora
Steel: Lucario Z
Water: Tatsugiri
Dark: Darkrai
Dragon: Baxcalibur
Electric: Raichu X & Y, Zeraora
Fairy: Magearna
Fighting: ???
Fire: Heatran
Flying: ???
Ghost: Golurk
Grass: Scovillain
Ground: Garchomp Z
Ice: Crabominable
Normal: Staraptor
Poison: Glimmora
Psychic: Chimecho, Meowstic
Rock: Glimmora
Steel: Lucario Z
Water: Tatsugiri
My conclusions are thus:
-Absol Z, Zeraora and either Chimecho or Meowstic will gain a new type (all these make sense given the unlikelihood they'd double up on monotypes across different mons, and it would make more sense for Absol to gain a new type instead of Darkrai to differentiate from its original Mega)
-Fighting, Flying and either Poison or Rock will be what they gain (Remember, using the scheme Glimmora is meant to be the rep for only one of the two despite being dual type, I also can't see anyone gaining Normal hence why Staraptor is in that slot and not Flying)
-If Lucario and Garchomp Z change types, it'll most likely be Fighting and Dragon respectively that get replaced (If Garchomp were to lose Ground Golurk would become the Ground rep, leaving nobody primarily meant as Ghost)
Psychic/Flying Chimecho checks out flavor-wise (Wind Rider would be a home run for its ability) while Electric/Fighting Zeraora would fit into the Mega Charizard X mold of meathead fanservice. Dark/Poison Absol feels like an off-kilter but semi-plausible twisting of its flavor. If there's some other possible configuration lemme know because I'm too tired to figure one out right now
Zeraora Electric Fighting makes sense.
I disagree with Chimecho gaining Flying type, however. No wings, nothing that resembles Flying, not a single Flying move learned. It would have to either get Aerilate or a lot of movepool addition. What Chimecho might actually get is Ghost. Levitates and found on Mount Pyre originally, among the Shuppets and Duskulls.
If there absolutely has to be a Flying slot, Absol has the best shot. Its original Mega already has Wings, so they might double into that. It learns Air Slash, Aerial Ace and Bounce, that should be enough, though they might add Hurricane since its a natural disaster.
I disagree with Chimecho gaining Flying type, however. No wings, nothing that resembles Flying, not a single Flying move learned. It would have to either get Aerilate or a lot of movepool addition. What Chimecho might actually get is Ghost. Levitates and found on Mount Pyre originally, among the Shuppets and Duskulls.
If there absolutely has to be a Flying slot, Absol has the best shot. Its original Mega already has Wings, so they might double into that. It learns Air Slash, Aerial Ace and Bounce, that should be enough, though they might add Hurricane since its a natural disaster.
The Zygarde we have in ZA, do you know if internally, it's with Aura Break or Power Construct?
I'll be super disappointed if Lucario is the Steel mon rather than the Fighting mon. It being 99% Fighting and still seeming to count for "we have a Steel type represented, don't need another one" is exactly why I don't like it. You're telling me that there's a significant chance that line of thought is actually happening?
I think Garchomp becoming the Flying type rep is not impossible given it does fly in the air (somehow)
maybe this new mega garchomp just becomes steel/dragon and fully turns into a jet lol
I think also that Lucario losing the Steel type is a lot more likely than it losing the Fighting type. Could become pure Fighting or Fighting/Psychic
Counter-point: It is a wind chime. Just give the base form Air Slash like Clefable got.
Yeah I also thought that seemed strange but again I can't deduce an alternate configuration (this would lead to losing either the Fairy or Grass rep slot, I could see someone else maybe getting the former but certainly not the latter. Remember, official Megas are generally much conservative with type changes). Most likely outcome imo is that Lucario remains Fighting/Steel
that's true but I feel like if they are revisiting Absol, Garchomp, and Lucario that they are going to get wild with them otherwise it feels like there's no point, especially given the megas for those 3 were already just "make them more what they already were"
this is also like alternate hyperspace lumiose so the odds of all the new megas in the dlc being weird or out there are higher than normal
random thing I thought of is that Golisopod might lose its Water typing much like Barbaracle did.
I understand what you mean here but also the same DLC is introducing 2 Megas for Raichu and both are pure electric.
So just something I feel the need to point out, thus far no Mega has ever replaced the primary type of the base Pokémon, it's always the secondary type. The only Megas that started as dual type and changed type on Mega Evolution:
If Garchomp or Lucario were to change types, they'd lose Ground and Steel respectively, not Dragon or Fighting.
- Charizard X: Fire/Flying -> Fire/Dragon
- Gyarados: Water/Flying -> Water/Dark
- Altaria: Dragon/Flying -> Dragon/Fairy
- Aggron: Steel/Rock -> Steel
- Barbaracle: Rock/Water -> Rock/Fighting
If Garchomp or Lucario were to change types, they'd lose Ground and Steel respectively, not Dragon or Fighting.
While I definitely think GF intends for there to be at least one mega of each type, I am skeptical that they internally think of the list in terms of representatives. That is, their internal list might include Hawlucha on both fighting and flying, for example, and they primarily care about each type having at least one entry. If it had happened that one dual-type mon was the only entry for its two types, they might consider adding another mon to one of them but I think they wouldn't be fussed about having one mon count for both types. If that's the case, then all types are currently covered in the DLC list, just with some mons covering two types.
Even having all types covered isn't necessarily a sure thing. As was pointed out earlier in this(?) thread, ORAS did not introduce a new electric type mega.
That said, it could be the case that GF is thinking of one representative per type, in which case this is an interesting exercise to try and predict some type changes. It's just always useful to remember that we care more about patterns than GF does. :)
I'm rooting for Dark/Ghost mega Darkrai.
We got mega zygarde, we're getting a second mega Garchomp, and the OG ground dragon Flygon isn't even making it into the game. GF does not care about our desires, we are not getting electric/fighting Zeraora, it will be electric/fire because of its volcano lore and we will be grateful. :P
Honestly I’ll take it. Volcano lightning is cool and anything is better than an infamously mono-Electric Pokémon getting a mono-Electric Mega in the same DLC that has Raichu X and Y.
Plus, at the very least, we ended up getting three Electric/Fighting types in SV, while Heat Rotom is still the only Electric/Fire type.