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SPOILERS! Legends ZA Data Dumps - Adding Info to OP
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Out of curiosity, I just went through the list of mega pokemon and out of all of them, there are only 24/74 (less than a third of the megas) that didn't increase both offenses, and that's specifically being generous and including dragonite and zygarde, who lower their main attacking stat to boost the one they originally didn't use.
And then only a third of those (alakazam, gengar, mewtwo x, heracross, houndoom, mawile, aggron, and manectric) were in the first batch of 30 megas introduced in X and Y (26.66%). So it is actually a tradition to waste stats, yeah.
And then only a third of those (alakazam, gengar, mewtwo x, heracross, houndoom, mawile, aggron, and manectric) were in the first batch of 30 megas introduced in X and Y (26.66%). So it is actually a tradition to waste stats, yeah.
And even jokes aside it does make some sense. As a design conceit they want a consistent +100* so they (usually) have an idea of what they want to REALLY boost, more so than a normal evolution might do, they don't (usually) want to minmax. So they either try to even out the other stats (will Mega Alakazam REALLY survive a lot extra thanks to that +20 def? unlikely) or dump extra into a "potentially useful" useless stat
*Aside from Mega Zygarde since....I guess they dont want anything to break the 800 barrier?
ORAS has the most optimized stat spread of the megas. An easy example would be Gardevoir getting +20 in Atk in comparison to Gallade who has no Spa increase. I do admit ZA has some very odd/dissapointing stat distributions like Malamar/Victreebel.
I have a Victreebel on my Team and switched it using its Mega Stone and Mega to Big Roots with my Giga Drain/Leech Life/Sludge Wave, Razor Leaf set and its an unkillable tank.
Should I move back to use the Mega?
Catching up on the thread now, what is the most up to date/reliable leak for all new (to ZA) Pokemon in the upcoming DLC?
And do we know if Mewtwo's distribution will be before the DLC release or later?
Jigglypuff
Wigglytuff
Zubat
Golbat
Meowth (Kantonian, Alolan, and Galarian)
Persian (Kantonian and Alolan)
Mankey
Primeape
Farfetch’d (Kantonian and Galarian)
Cubone
Marowak (Kantonian and Alolan)
Mr. Mime (Kantonian and Galarian)
Porygon
Crobat
Igglybuff
Qwilfish (Johtonian and Hisuian)
Porygon2
Treecko
Grovyle
Sceptile
Torchic
Combusken
Blaziken
Mudkip
Marshtomp
Swampert
Gulpin
Swalot
Spoink
Grumpig
Zangoose
Seviper
Feebas
Milotic
Kecleon
Chimecho
Latias
Latios
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Starly
Staravia
Staraptor
Chingling
Mime Jr.
Porygon-Z
Rotom
Heatran
Darkrai
Purrloin
Liepard
Munna
Musharna
Throh
Sawk
Yamask (Unovan and Galarian)
Cofagrigus
Foongus
Amoonguss
Cryogonal
Golett
Golurk
Cobalion
Terrakion
Virizion
Keldeo
Meloetta
Genesect
Crabrawler
Crabominable
Wimpod
Golisopod
Sandygast
Palossand
Mimikyu
Magearna
Marshadow
Zeraora
Meltan
Melmetal
Rookidee
Corvisquire
Corviknight
Nickit
Thievul
Toxel
Toxtricity
Clobbopus
Grapploct
Perrserker
Sirfetch’d
Mr. Rime
Runerigus
Indeedee
Morpeko
Kleavor
Overqwil
Fidough
Dachsbun
Squawkabilly
Nacli
Naclstack
Garganacl
Charcadet
Armarouge
Ceruledge
Maschiff
Mabosstiff
Shroodle
Grafaiai
Capsakid
Scovillain
Tinkatink
Tinkatuff
Tinkaton
Cyclizar
Glimmet
Glimmora
Greavard
Houndstone
Flamigo
Dondozo
Tatsugiri
Annihilape
Frigibax
Arctibax
Baxcalibur
Gimmighoul
Gholdengo
We don’t know. Could go either way, but the DLC releases in two weeks, so the window is shrinking fast.
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Will Hoopa just be available as a character or can you catch one? Not seeing it on the list or image.
Yeah the time to DLC is coming up. I guess Mewtwo will be post DLC and before the Champions release.
It hasn’t been confirmed, but I’d be really surprised if it weren’t obtainable, especially considering that Legends: Arceus made all five of Sinnoh’s Mythicals obtainable.
The reason why Hoopa isn’t on that list is because the list is derived from the Pokédex entries that are stubbed in the current game version’s data. Essentially, it’s a list of Pokemon that do have a Dex entry, but have had the information removed (as opposed to just not having an entry at all, which means not being compatible with the game). That’s how we can conclude that the Pokémon in the list are the ones that will become compatible once the DLC releases. However, Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion were all already fully included in the base game’s Pokédex without being stubbed, which is why we already know what Hoopa and Volcanion’s entries say even though they haven’t been made available, whereas we don’t know what the Dex entry for, say, Baxcalibur is.
Hoopa Confined: It uses loops to gather things it likes and take them to its secret home. It also teleports through a loop.
Hoopa Unbound: This is Hoopa's true form, in which it has regained its sealed powers. The hole in its chest is said to connect to another dimension.
Volcanion: It expels its internal steam from the arms on its back. It has enough power to blow away a mountain.
Hoopa Unbound: This is Hoopa's true form, in which it has regained its sealed powers. The hole in its chest is said to connect to another dimension.
Volcanion: It expels its internal steam from the arms on its back. It has enough power to blow away a mountain.
I really feel they are gunna go all in on making accurate spread sleep Mega Darkrai's gimmick. They hate fast sleep these days; just look at Toedscruel, so this is probably the compromise to making Dark Void not ass on him anymore. Which I'm ok with tbh.
Why would you run Thunderbolt over Plasma Fists?
I'm kinda thinking the same, especially since they've been playing with making mythicals legal in VGC recently. So far it's only really been with post-championships formats towards the end of the generation (SS series 13 and SV reg J), but the fact that we're getting nearly half of the mythicals available in the DLC with a whole 3 of them getting megas makes me think that champions might have more types of mythical-allowed formats at some point.
Why gamefreak would want to make a format with accurate spread sleep is beyond me, though. Did Smeargle teach them nothing?
I do still feel like they wouldn't make all of them available in the DLC, but it is a lot of them in a game with a purposely limited dex huh.
It'd go a long way to making more of them available, too. Zeraora & Hoopa have the obvious first-timers, Magearna becomes better future-proofed if Bank ever finally goes down, Genesect & Marshadow would all get to be enshrined. And I mean if Diancie & Hoopa are hand outs it'd be nice if Volcanion was too, surely...
Darkrai, Keldeo, & Meloetta are kind of redundant comparatively but it's not like they approach these with that kind of mindset anyway (remember when Platinum had the legendary birds right before HGSS, also, let you get the legendary birds).
That said if theyr'e ALL available in-game would it have killed them to include Victini and honestly Deoxys would have been nice too
Mythicals take a restricted slot when they're legal, Smeargle doesn't. Smeargle has no cost to slap on a team. Darkrai comes at the cost of a restricted slot that could've instead been used for Xerneas or Arceus or Deoxys or Primal Groudon or any other restricted, and Mega Darkrai also comes at the cost of using your Mega slot. Which means that you'll have to not use one of your restricteds if you're running another Mega or else have to deal with Darkrai basically not having an item.
I thought about that, but it seems like Darkrai is still having *some* success in regulation J even with Dark Void's 55% accuracy, so I don't know whether or not GF would feel a need to rebalance it again. Either way, all this relies on the idea that they would make Mega Darkrai VGC legal, which probably wouldn't happen for a while regardless.
You're right -- I meant that more as a point against my idea rather than against the devs, but I could've worded it better, my bad.