Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4

[Avira]

I agree with your analysis, the only thing I will say is that all of these things are inextricable screens, Dragonite, Kyurem, Tera blast, Gambit, and Oger all are aiding HO or offensive play styles which make it feel really oppressive. Building to handle all of those threats at once feels a bit overwhelming and people typical don’t have concrete answers besides “sequence” or “get hazards up.” Sort of a bummer that there’s no changes for the rest of the gen, but understandable.

Finchinator didn't say there'd be no changes for the rest of the generation, just that he doesn't think there's anything banworthy in the meta but would allow a suspect test depending on whether the qualified demographic of survey takers score something at 3.5 or above (This part is implied based on past statements. Dragonite had a 3.44 on the last OU Tiering Survey, and Finchinator said that Dragonite was close to getting a suspect and previously stated that 3.5 is automatic suspect territory provided no other mon had a higher score than that, and it isn't a score for something previously tested already). Dragonite is the only thing I can maybe see getting a suspect test as support for it getting banned has been growing over time. Whether we have reached critical mass for a suspect test to happen is what we will see with the upcoming survey.

 

[Magcargo]

I agree with your analysis, the only thing I will say is that all of these things are inextricable screens, Dragonite, Kyurem, Tera blast, Gambit, and Oger all are aiding HO or offensive play styles which make it feel really oppressive. Building to handle all of those threats at once feels a bit overwhelming and people typical don’t have concrete answers besides “sequence” or “get hazards up.” Sort of a bummer that there’s no changes for the rest of the gen, but understandable.

Aren't a lot of these mons like Dragonite & Gambit really good into offense because of their strong priority? Most HO or bulky offense teams I've seen struggle with Dnite esp because their defensive backbone against it can be a bit fake. I'd imagine dealing with Sun, TR or Webs would be harder if they were banned.

 

[RightOnTime]

Aren't a lot of these mons like Dragonite & Gambit really good into offense because of their strong priority? Most HO or bulky offense teams I've seen struggle with Dnite esp because their defensive backbone against it can be a bit fake. I'd imagine dealing with Sun, TR or Webs would be harder if they were banned.

Good point. Dnite and Gambit are sort of flexible any way you cut it. I don’t think either are broken, but I do think the meta advantages HO/offense more than bulkier playstyles right now.

 

[cat111ca]

Can we talk about ? Like. How does it rise but not hydraplle or sinistcha?

 

[Hon07rial]

Can we talk about ? Like. How does it rise but not hydraplle or sinistcha?

There is a triple weather team spammed by a bot on ladder that massively inflated its usage.

Torkoal recently hit 4.54% usage on the OU ladder for November. 56% of these Torkoal were ran on a single team spammed by a bot on the OU ladder. Excadrill hit 6.68% usage, with 38% of the usage coming from this same bot. If trends continue, two mons that would otherwise get about 2% and 4.1% usage respectively will end up rising to OU not off of real people, but off of a bot using a gimmick triple weather team.

 

[Finchinator]

Sand got better over the last few months regardless of the bot. We saw a number of Tar Drill uses in SCL, for example.

 

[cat111ca]

Shouldn't we do something about bots? But what could we do? I think usage should be determined by different teams used on ladder and not amount of use (using the exect same team doesn't add to usage)

 

[UltraSword]

There is a triple weather team spammed by a bot on ladder that massively inflated its usage.

In my opinion, if there is a bot that is inflating the usage of certain pokemon then the usage by that bot should not count. Is it really fair to let Excadrill rise to OU if it isn't getting enough usage from actual human players? I am aware that this is probably a post I should make in some tiering discussion thread so I apologize. (Also what is Tyranitar's usage without the bot inflation? I am sure it will still rise to OU anyway from actual human usage but I am still a bit curious.)

 

[KamenOH]

There is a triple weather team spammed by a bot on ladder that massively inflated its usage.

But how do we even know its a bot? Is it a bot, or is it just one person playing a lot of games?

If its one person playing like, 5 or so games simultaneously, then yeah its a bot i wont disagree, but how do we know?