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Should Heavy-Duty Boots be allowed


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Imagine going back to just Gen 8 and telling someone that a new Mega with higher Spe and slightly lower SpA than Calyrex-S would be made, then people unironically saying it should get a damage buff because its not as strong as significantly slower Mega Lucario that's still Uber
No.
We don't need good abilities on the Z Megas. We also really SHOULDN'T be striving to intentionally make Megas similar to already Uber Pokemon.
 
:garchomp-mega: Garchomp-Mega-Z: Rough Skin
I think that Mega Garchomp Z should have an ability that gives it STAB on its Ground moves(not sure about a name) because a) I think it's lame to give a mega the same ability as the base form, b) I think it still works for the design, and c) it doesn't remove the threat of powerful Special Ground moves, as there aren't many good special attacking Ground types, and I think that's the direction the mega should have went
 
Also not that Light Clay is available, ban base form Magearna.
:sv/Magearna:
Magearna @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Soul-Heart
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 72 Def / 12 SpA / 172 Spe or 252 HP / 72 Def / 84 SpA / 100 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shift Gear
- Calm Mind
- Stored Power
- Draining Kiss
With Reflect and Light Screen, it's extremely easy for Magearna to set up multiple boosts and tank super effective hits. The EV spread given lets Magearna survive 2 Earthquakes from Excadrill with Reflect up, and lets it outspeed uninvested Rotom-Wash before a Shift Gear boost or after Shift Gear and getting paralyzed. You can take more from speed since you can absolutely get multiple Shift Gear boosts, but make sure you outspeed Special Defense Heatran.
 
:garchomp: mega is honestly pretty busted, I'm not sure if it's banworthy but its surely a really good mon. Insane speed tier + Great coverage and good sptack means it's only really checked by like clef and thats about it.

:Meowstic: is also pretty good, its fun to consider the applications of competitive as well, you can switch it in on defog, then mega and basically anything gets OHKOed
Expanding force from a boosted meowstic is honestly just so easy to click. It has excellent coverage in moonblast and ep.
Do i actually think its getting psyterrain offically? Maybe not. if it does it'll easily be OU or MAYBE ubers.
 
Custom Abilities are NOT happening, please STOP clogging up discussion with suggestions that WILL be ignored by the council and play the metagame (which it is clear MOST of you do NOT do) so we can have informed and fruitful discussion going forward.
Speaking of fruitful discussion., can we get some answers as to why Dauntless Shield was given to Falinks? I feel like it makes it too reliant on Body Press sets, no?
 
Submission Rules

Currently no formal submission process due to the minimal speculation this Pet Mod requires. However, if you have a better idea for a speculative Mega ability, feel free to explain why in this thread with the following format:
[b]Mega Evolution:
New Ability:
Ability Description (if it doesn't currently exist):
Reasoning: [/b]
Probably a good idea to remove the “Ability Description (if it doesn't currently exist):” text or replace it with “DO NOT USE CUSTOM MADE ABILITIES” since there are people still making custom abilities for Megas.
People see the OP before some post in the middle of the almost 50 page thread, and that's gonna confuse people.
Also add to the title "(NO CUSTOM ABILITIES)" just to make sure.
 
Since both Mega Gallade and Mega Audino got their abilities modified, can we see other older megas also get the same treatement? I'd specifically like to see Mega Garchomp and Mega Steelix get new abilities, but I think some of the other underwhelming megas like Houndoom could also get something new.
Give Mega Steelix Earth Eater( cuz big metallic snake), give Mega Garchomp Mold Breaker/Rocky Payload/ orrrr something like Armor Tail( ignoring priority makes scale shots harder to revenge kill with priority) and give Mega Houndoom Sheer Force or Tinted Lens? idk that would prolly be a bit too strong, just speaking my mind overe here
 
:Garchomp-Mega:
We could give the OG Mega Chomp Technician. Taking a page out from Scyther, considering you know it having Scythes. Garchomp also has some decent options to abuse Technician with. Dragon Tail, Dual Chop, Scale Shot, Rock Tomb, etc.
It certainly would be better than Sand Force and makes sense with that Scyther connection. It's better than Sharpness since all that would boost is Slash and Aerial Ace (which Technician also boosts).

:Steelix-Mega:
I also agree with giving Steelix Earth Eater. That or use the "Magnets" reasoning to give it Levitate. This helps with Mega Steelix's ground weakness, and the latter would help its longevity with it being immune to Spikes and being x4 resistant to Stealth Rocks.

:Houndoom-Mega:
Would it be too much to also give Houndoom Sheer Force?
Mega Houndoom would hit really hard, but it's also frail, Stealth Rock weak, and can easily be outsped. Plus its stats are similar to Mega Pyroar's, but with less speed and more SpA, and we all know how "great" that Mega is with Drought.
 
I like the idea of adding sheer force to steelix like its base form has

What if we gave Abomasnow ice body? It already has snow warning so it can activate itself. Honestly might not be worth it but a abomasnow just feels worthless currently

I really want sceptile to get something new but not sure what adaptability maybe? Idk


Other megas I think could get something new

Chesnaught stamina-seems interesting I think

Clefable magic guard or unaware-serene grace is just not worth it

Dragonite no guard, let it happen. Just take out dynamic punch and zap cannon, they haven't been part of its movepool since gen 2 so I think it would be fine

Excadrill infiltrator? It doesn't do a lot right now that base form can't do, at least this lets it deal with screens

Floette fairy aura or soul heart-not sure if these are actually better but may be more interesting

Glimmora adaptability, I said this before but rocky payload doesn't fit as it's meant to be more of a triple type kind of ability

Hawlucha moxie? Stamina is good but I think moxie makes more sense

Malamar simple? Not necessarily better than contrary but honestly Malamar is already really bad, at least simple nasty plot stored power could be funny


Scovillin chloryphill? At least it would be a unique niche now that heat rock is in the game. Maybe Orxhalcum pulse?

Scrafty intimidate or moxie. No idea why it still has shed skin

Staraptor is good with tough claws, but it's kinda boring since skarmory has it and such similar stats. But idk what would be better

Raichu x electric surge? Idk if this would be better or nor
 
I hope that we can continue to discuss abilities on new Mega Evolutions as atm I am not fond of the fact that the abilities of Legendary Pokemon have been given to these Pokemon and usually are not thematically appropriate
I do not have perfect answers for every Mega Evolution in mind and I doubt anyone behind the Pet Mod does but that is why I think discussing abilities could help blend accuracy and viability over purely the latter
my personal list atm is :crabominable:, :darkrai:, :dragonite:, :eelektross:, :lucario: Z, :raichu: Y, :falinks:, :feraligatr:, :glimmora:, :audino: and :ampharos: (:gallade: too if you want)
:garchomp: Z is fine w Rough Skin but I think we could talk about giving it something else

Scrafty intimidate or moxie. No idea why it still has shed skin
btw btw Scrafty got Shed Skin bc Intimidate oh my God double Intimidate think about that for a second
 
I hope that we can continue to discuss abilities on new Mega Evolutions as atm I am not fond of the fact that the abilities of Legendary Pokemon have been given to these Pokemon and usually are not thematically appropriate
I do not have perfect answers for every Mega Evolution in mind and I doubt anyone behind the Pet Mod does but that is why I think discussing abilities could help blend accuracy and viability over purely the latter
my personal list atm is :crabominable:, :darkrai:, :dragonite:, :eelektross:, :lucario: Z, :raichu: Y, :falinks:, :feraligatr:, :glimmora:, :audino: and :ampharos: (:gallade: too if you want)
:garchomp: Z is fine w Rough Skin but I think we could talk about giving it something else


btw btw Scrafty got Shed Skin bc Intimidate oh my God double Intimidate think about that for a second

I really don't think double intimidate would be that strong tbh since it's effectively a one time thing and mega scrafty isn't that strong. Frankly it would probably be manageable in the current meta especially with the insane power level

And if not....just give it moxie. Or literally anything else tbh. Shed skin just feels pretty underwhelming on a mega when it's only a 33% a turn chance
 
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I like the idea of adding sheer force to steelix like its base form has

What if we gave Abomasnow ice body? It already has snow warning so it can activate itself. Honestly might not be worth it but a abomasnow just feels worthless currently

I really want sceptile to get something new but not sure what adaptability maybe? Idk


Other megas I think could get something new

Chesnaught stamina-seems interesting I think

Clefable magic guard or unaware-serene grace is just not worth it

Dragonite no guard, let it happen. Just take out dynamic punch and zap cannon, they haven't been part of its movepool since gen 2 so I think it would be fine

Excadrill infiltrator? It doesn't do a lot right now that base form can't do, at least this lets it deal with screens

Floette fairy aura or soul heart-not sure if these are actually better but may be more interesting

Glimmora adaptability, I said this before but rocky payload doesn't fit as it's meant to be more of a triple type kind of ability

Hawlucha moxie? Stamina is good but I think moxie makes more sense

Malamar simple? Not necessarily better than contrary but honestly Malamar is already really bad, at least simple nasty plot stored power could be funny


Scovillin chloryphill? At least it would be a unique niche now that heat rock is in the game. Maybe Orxhalcum pulse?

Scrafty intimidate or moxie. No idea why it still has shed skin

Staraptor is good with tough claws, but it's kinda boring since skarmory has it and such similar stats. But idk what would be better

Raichu x electric surge? Idk if this would be better or nor
Sheer Force Mega Steelix and Ice Body Mega Abomasnow sound terrible.
Mega Steelix gets Iron Head, Crunch, and Iron Miss as viable Sheer Force boosted attacks. It'd be a discount Excadrill anyways on account of it being able to either hit Rotom-Wash/Mega Heatran, or double its speed in Sand. And gets Rapid Spin. And doesn't take up a Mega slot.
Ice Body would only heal a total of 1/4th your HP at max, unless you use other Snow setting Pokemon, which ends up just being Slowking-G using Chilly Reception. You likely won't even get that 1/4th of your HP back since Abomasnow is slow with tons of weaknesses, so it'll be forced out a lot. You know what helps it stay on the field for longer? That x1.5 boost to Def.

Chesnaught should get Daughtless Shield, but Stamina is fine, if not a bit much.
Clefable should absolutely get Magic Guard. Going from hazard immune to SR weak is absolutely terrible. Becoming an arguably weaker Togekiss doesn't help either.
Dragonite I agree with.
Infiltrator is interesting for Excadrill, but we all know it should and probably will get Sand Rush. It only has Mold Breaker for balancing reasons.
Floette getting Fairy Aura would be overkill Fairy damage, but it doesn't help Floette getting past the Fairy resists. At least Regenerator helps since Floette can fire off Light of Ruin into anything, deal a good amount of damage to everything besides like Heatran, then switch out to heal.
Glimmora with Adaptability is kind of eh. A problem with Adaptability is when you have it on a Pokemon that has sucky STABs. Glimmora actually doesn’t use its Poison STAB all that much for offensive purposes (not counting Mortal Spin). So you end up with a weaker Mega since Rocky Payload provides a better boost.
Hard disagree with Hawlucha. Stamina is good on Mega Hawlucha and fits its flavor based on promotional material (then again promotion material said Mega Lucario Z would be more defensive).
Malamar would need Wonder Guard or some custom ability to be viable. Even with Simple + Contrary (yes it got that at one point), it still sucked. Mega Malamar suffers from bad defensive typing, being slow, and shitty offenses.
Mega Scovillain with Chlorophyll would just be a worse version of regular Scovillain. You do more damage with Life Orb without wasting a Mega slot, and regular Scovillain was already bad despite being the first Chlorophyll Fire type.
There is also no Drought users that aren’t Megas too, which is also another advantage regular Sc*villain has. “An advantage regular Sc*villain has” should not be a sentence uttered by anyone, yet somehow such a sentence would apply to Scovillain’s own Mega if it got Chlorophyll.
Flavor wise, I think Scrafty should get Shield Dust. Dust is partly dead skin, so it has a dust shield in a way.
An ability that would benefit Mega Scrafty however would be Regenerator. Scrafty got Parting Shot, so it can Parting Shot while healing itself. It only has Rest Shed Skin and Drain Punch as recovery, which as a more defensive Mega is what it needs help with. And shedding skin is kind of like regenerating it.
Mega Staraptor is hard to give an ability since GameFreak decided to make a bunch of Flying/Fighting types and made them all nearly the same, and made Mega Staraptor have extremely similar stats to Mega Skarmory (though Mega Pyroar is really close to Mega Houndoom and Mega Garchomp is close to Kyurem-Black, so it’s not like its a new thing)
Tough Claws is kind of the generic buffing ability for physical attackers. Its basically Sheer Force for physical attackers.
Another less generic option would be Wind Rider. Not only are multiple wind moves super effective against Mega Staraptor, but it also boosts Atk.
Mega Raichu X should get Galvenize.
Yeah it already gets the +1 Atk from Volt Tackle, but that’s really all it does and Ground types prevent that boost anyways. With Galvinize, you get Electric E-Speed, which would let it hit the main stronger and faster Megas or just Pokemon.
Even if it means giving up that +1 Atk boost from Volt Tackle, it’d be better off with Galvanize Extreme Speed and Return/Double-Edge.
 
Sheer Force Mega Steelix and Ice Body Mega Abomasnow sound terrible.
Mega Steelix gets Iron Head, Crunch, and Iron Miss as viable Sheer Force boosted attacks. It'd be a discount Excadrill anyways on account of it being able to either hit Rotom-Wash/Mega Heatran, or double its speed in Sand. And gets Rapid Spin. And doesn't take up a Mega slot.
Ice Body would only heal a total of 1/4th your HP at max, unless you use other Snow setting Pokemon, which ends up just being Slowking-G using Chilly Reception. You likely won't even get that 1/4th of your HP back since Abomasnow is slow with tons of weaknesses, so it'll be forced out a lot. You know what helps it stay on the field for longer? That x1.5 boost to Def.

Chesnaught should get Daughtless Shield, but Stamina is fine, if not a bit much.
Clefable should absolutely get Magic Guard. Going from hazard immune to SR weak is absolutely terrible. Becoming an arguably weaker Togekiss doesn't help either.
Dragonite I agree with.
Infiltrator is interesting for Excadrill, but we all know it should and probably will get Sand Rush. It only has Mold Breaker for balancing reasons.
Floette getting Fairy Aura would be overkill Fairy damage, but it doesn't help Floette getting past the Fairy resists. At least Regenerator helps since Floette can fire off Light of Ruin into anything, deal a good amount of damage to everything besides like Heatran, then switch out to heal.
Glimmora with Adaptability is kind of eh. A problem with Adaptability is when you have it on a Pokemon that has sucky STABs. Glimmora actually doesn’t use its Poison STAB all that much for offensive purposes (not counting Mortal Spin). So you end up with a weaker Mega since Rocky Payload provides a better boost.
Hard disagree with Hawlucha. Stamina is good on Mega Hawlucha and fits its flavor based on promotional material (then again promotion material said Mega Lucario Z would be more defensive).
Malamar would need Wonder Guard or some custom ability to be viable. Even with Simple + Contrary (yes it got that at one point), it still sucked. Mega Malamar suffers from bad defensive typing, being slow, and shitty offenses.
Mega Scovillain with Chlorophyll would just be a worse version of regular Scovillain. You do more damage with Life Orb without wasting a Mega slot, and regular Scovillain was already bad despite being the first Chlorophyll Fire type.
There is also no Drought users that aren’t Megas too, which is also another advantage regular Sc*villain has. “An advantage regular Sc*villain has” should not be a sentence uttered by anyone, yet somehow such a sentence would apply to Scovillain’s own Mega if it got Chlorophyll.
Flavor wise, I think Scrafty should get Shield Dust. Dust is partly dead skin, so it has a dust shield in a way.
An ability that would benefit Mega Scrafty however would be Regenerator. Scrafty got Parting Shot, so it can Parting Shot while healing itself. It only has Rest Shed Skin and Drain Punch as recovery, which as a more defensive Mega is what it needs help with. And shedding skin is kind of like regenerating it.
Mega Staraptor is hard to give an ability since GameFreak decided to make a bunch of Flying/Fighting types and made them all nearly the same, and made Mega Staraptor have extremely similar stats to Mega Skarmory (though Mega Pyroar is really close to Mega Houndoom and Mega Garchomp is close to Kyurem-Black, so it’s not like its a new thing)
Tough Claws is kind of the generic buffing ability for physical attackers. Its basically Sheer Force for physical attackers.
Another less generic option would be Wind Rider. Not only are multiple wind moves super effective against Mega Staraptor, but it also boosts Atk.
Mega Raichu X should get Galvenize.
Yeah it already gets the +1 Atk from Volt Tackle, but that’s really all it does and Ground types prevent that boost anyways. With Galvinize, you get Electric E-Speed, which would let it hit the main stronger and faster Megas or just Pokemon.
Even if it means giving up that +1 Atk boost from Volt Tackle, it’d be better off with Galvanize Extreme Speed and Return/Double-Edge.


Fair enough for abomasnow, but steelix gets more than that. Rock slide becomes basically an accurate stone edge, and frankly that plus iron head and crunch seems like enough. Let's be real nobody is using this in sand teams, and sand force provides the same level of a buff to them anyway. Earth eater is good but don't think it fits, while sheer force already has merit being on base steelix

I think chesnaught would be good with dauntless shield and stamina would be good probably not even to much tbh in the current meta

Clef already is a worse togekiss since it has serene grace so yeah magic guard is best. I do think unaware is more interesting but either is better than serene grace

For excadrill obviously yes sand rush is better but I doubt they are giving it that in this mod so for the time being I think infiltrator is at least more interesting than mold breaker, and should not be op

Is rocky payload a higher boost than adaptility on glimmora? Aren't they both a 50% boost effectively, or am I doing my math wrong? Either way rocky payload doesn't fit because it's supposed to be a pseudo triple type ability

Malamar isn't going to be good no matter what but simple nasty plot stored power at least seems entertaining. Might still be worse than contrary though but IDK it sounds funny so I want it lol

I don't care what scrafty gets as long as it's usable. I do still think moxie is food, I genuinely think in the current over the top meta intimidate would be fine

I actually do like the idea of wind rider on staraptor. Idk if it would be good but it would be really interesting. I'm in favor of that

Galvanize Raichu is fine for this meta, in the actual games it would suck since it doesn't have e speed anymore. Still feels kinda meh, I think there's more interesting options tbh (honestly just give it refrigerate for the memes lol).
 
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