Metagame STABmons Mix and Mega (Starminite, Scovillainite, and Victreebelite banned)

[qtfox]

STABmons Mix & Mega Hub​

What is STABmons Mix and Mega?
STABmons Mix and Mega (often shortened to STABnMega or SnM) is a mashup between STABmons and Mix and Mega - Pokemon have access to any move of their typing and can use Mega Stones to gain the stats and abilities of those mega evolutions.

Council
Clas
qtfox
BandedBodyPress
Yoru97

Ruleset and Banlist

Clauses

STABmons Move Legality - Allows Pokémon to use any move that they or a previous evolution/out-of-battle forme share a type with.
Standard OMs - The standard ruleset for all Smogon OMs.
Evasion Items Clause - Bans items that lower the accuracy of moves used against the user (i.e. Bright Powder)
Evasion Abilities Clause - Bans abilities that boost Evasion under certain weather conditions
Sleep Moves Clause - Bans all moves that induce sleep, such as Hypnosis.

Pokemon

These pokemon cannot be used at all:

• Arceus
• Calyrex-Shadow
• Enamorus
• Komala
• Koraidon
• Kyogre
• Miraidon

These Pokemon cannot Mega Evolve even when holding a mega stone:

• Basculegion-M
• Calyrex-Ice
• Deoxys
• Deoxys-A
• Dialga
• Dragapult
• Eternatus
• Flutter Mane
• Gengar
• Giratina
• Gouging Fire
• Groudon
• Ho-Oh
• Iron Bundle
• Kyurem-Black
• Kyurem-White
• Lugia
• Lunala
• Manaphy
• Meloetta
• Mewtwo
• Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
• Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
• Palkia
• Rayquaza
• Regigigas
• Reshiram
• Slaking
• Sneasler
• Solgaleo
• Ursaluna
• Ursaluna-Bloodmoon
• Urshifu-S
• Walking Wake
• Zacian
• Zekrom
• Zoroark-Hisui

These Pokemon cannot Mega Evolve in regular Mix and Mega but CAN in this tier:

• Gholdengo

Moves

These moves are banned:

• Baton Pass
• Shed Tail

These moves are only legal on their natural users:

• Acupressure
• Astral Barrage
• Belly Drum
• Blood Moon
• Boomburst
• Ceaseless Edge
• Clangorous Soul
• Dire Claw
• Dragon Energy
• Electro Shot
• Extreme Speed
• Fillet Away
• Gigaton Hammer
• Jet Punch
• Last Respects
• Lumina Crash
• No Retreat
• Power Trip
• Rage First
• Revival Blessing
• Shed Tail
• Shell Smash
• Shift Gear
• Surging Strikes
• Torch Song
• Triple Arrows
• V-create
• Victory Dance
• Wicked Blow

Abilities

These abilities are banned:

• Moody
• Shadow Tag

Items

These items are banned:

• 
  Beedrillite
• 
  Blazikenite
• 
  Gengarite
• 
  Kangaskhanite
• 
  Lucarionite Z
• 
  Malamarite
• 
  Mawilite
• 
  Medichamite
• 
  Pidgeotite
• 
  Red Orb
• 
  Scovillainite
• 
  Starminite
• 
  Victreebelite
• 
  Zygardite
• 
  King's Rock
• 
  Razor Fang

Resources

Challenge Code

/challenge gen9mixandmega @@@ STABmons Move Legality, -Scovillainite, -Victreebelite, -Zygardite, +Ceruledge, +Gholdengo, *Dragapult, *Meloetta, *Ursaluna, *Zoroark-Hisui, -Arceus, -Enamorus-Base, -Komala, -King's Rock, *Acupressure, *Astral Barrage, *Belly Drum, *Blood Moon, *Boomburst, *Ceaseless Edge, *Clangorous Soul, *Dire Claw, *Dragon Energy, *Electro Shot, *Extreme Speed, *Fillet Away, *Gigaton Hammer, *Jet Punch, *Last Respects, *Lumina Crash, *No Retreat, *Power Trip, *Rage Fist, *Revival Blessing, *Shed Tail, *Shell Smash, *Shift Gear, *Surging Strikes, *Torch Song, *Triple Arrows, *V-create, *Victory Dance, *Wicked Blow

Changelog

start of SV - start of SNM meta
March 5th 2023 - Restricted - Dire Claw, Fillet Away, No Retreat, Shift Gear, Victory Dance, Wicked Blow, Chien-Pao, Chi-Yu, Cloyster, Dragonite , Dragapult, Banned - Arena Trap, King's Rock, Booster Energy
March 10th 2023 - Refreed Chien-Pao, Chi-Yu, Dragonite, Arena Trap and Booster Energy
March 13th 2023 - Restricted Roaring Moon, freed Rusted Sword
June 30th 2023 - Cloyster, Gholdengo, Kilowattrel, Koraidon, Urshifu-RS, Zacian-Crowned, Zapdos freed, Arceus banned, Zoroark-H Stone Banned
August 8th 2023 - Rusted Sword (technically) restricted to Zacian-C, Eternatus freed, Enamorus stone banned
August 14th 2023 - Eternatus, Kingambit, Walking Wake, Pidgeotite, Rusted Sword banned, fixed Enamorus technicality Annoucement
August 29th 2023 - Ursaluna banned Annoucement
September 3rd 2023 - Zacian, Power Trip restricted Annoucement
September 10th 2023 - Gigaton Hammer, Triple Arrows restricted Annoucement
September 18th 2023 - Kingambit freed, Ursaluna Blood Moon freed from technicality hell, Clangorous Soul restricted Annoucement
September 24th 2023 - Meloetta, Ursaluna Blood Moon, Boomburst, Blood Moon (move) restricted Annoucement
February 8th 2025 - Legality overhauled
July 19th 2025 - Meloetta and Torch Song restricted

 

[qtfox]

- Rhyperior Fat by BandedBodyPress
- Gravity Landorus Balance by Clas
- Sanctuary Stall by Clas

 

[qtfox]

STABmons Mix and Mega Viability List
(Last updated on 07/07/2025 - Sheet Link)
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Pokemon​	Mega Stone / Item​
★★★★ TOP TIER ★★★★​	​
Eternatus	Heavy-Duty Boots, Life Orb, Rocky Helmet, Black Sludge, Power Herb
Great Tusk	Pinsirite, Hearthflame Mask, Aggronite,Lopunnite, Metagrossite, Rusted Sword
Magearna	Latiasite, Sablenite, Manectite, Ampharosite, Cameruptite, Venusaurite, Blue Orb
Regieleki	Altarianite, Glalitite, Light Clay
★★★ HIGH ★★★​
Arcanine-Hisui	Altarianite, Pinsirite
Ceruledge	Lucarionite, Diancite, Latiosite
Corviknight	Sablenite, Venusaurite, Blue Orb
Gholdengo	Diancite, Latiasite, Lucarionite, Blue Orb
Ho-Oh	Heavy-Duty Boots, Choice Band
Keldeo	Diancite, Lucarionite, Absolite
Raging Bolt	Lucarionite, Diancite
Spectrier	Audinite, Diancite, Lucarionite, Manectite
Swampert	Sablenite, Slowbronite
Ting-Lu	Sablenite, Gyaradosite, Heavy-Duty Boots, Leftovers, Pixie Plate, Toxic Plate
Toxapex	Latiasite, Assault Vest, Gyaradosite, Sablenite
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike	Aerodactylite, Metagrossite
Zapdos-Galar	Aerodactylite, Metagrossite
★★ MID ★★​
Calyrex-Ice	Heavy-Duty Boots, Choice Band, Weakness Policy
Cloyster	Lucarionite
Dragonite	Altarianite, Pinsirite, Salamencite
Garchomp	Metagrossite, Heracronite
Groudon	Leftovers, Rocky Helmet, Choice Band, Heat Rock
Heatran	Charizardite Y, Latiasite, Diancite
Hoopa-Unbound	Diancite
Iron Boulder	Lopunnite, Lucarionite, Pinsirite
Iron Moth	Absolite, Diancite, Latiasite, Manectite
Kingambit	Aerodactylite, Latiosite
Kyurem-White	Choice Specs, Choice Scarf, Heavy-Duty Boots
Landorus	Metagrossite
Landorus-Therian	Diancite, Sablenite
Lunala	Heavy-Duty Boots, Leftovers, Power Herb, Covert Cloak, Rocky Helmet
Magnezone	Lucarionite, Diancite
Mandibuzz	Sablenite, Aggronite, Gyaradosite
Meloetta	Sablenite, Slowbronite, Manectite
Pecharunt	Diancite, Gyaradosite, Latiasite, Sablenite
Reshiram	Choice Specs, Choice Scarf, Heavy-Duty Boots
Rhyperior	Pinsirite, Aggronite, Altarianite, Latiosite
Roaring Moon	Aerodactylite, Metagrossite, Pinsirite, Rusted Sword
Slowbro	Sablenite, Audinite, Manectite
Slowking	Aggronite, Sablenite, Audinite, Assault Vest
Tyranitar	Tyranitarite
Zamazenta	Aggronite, Rusted Sword, Aerodactylite
Zapdos	Lucarionite, Manectite, Sablenite, Slowbronite
★ LOW ★​
Basculegion	Choice Band, Choice Scarf
Basculegion-F	Lucarionite, Diancite
Baxcalibur	Lucarionite, Heracronite, Scizorite, Rusted Sword
Blissey	Cameruptite, Sablenite, Slowbronite
Chien-Pao	Lucarionite, Scizorite
Clodsire	Gyaradosite, Latiasite, Latiosite, Sablenite
Entei	Altarianite, Pinsirite
Excadrill	Metagrossite, Latiosite
Flutter Mane	Choice Specs
Indeedee-F	Terrain Extender
Iron Valiant	Diancite, Metagrossite
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane	Rocky Helmet, Heavy-Duty Boots, Weakness Policy
Pelipper	Damp Rock
Sandy Shocks	Absolite, Glalitite, Lucarionite, Manectite
Slowking-Galar	Latiasite, Sablenite
Terrakion	Lucarionite, Metagrossite
Volcanion	Latiasite, Heracronite

 

[Clas]

Lucarionite Z, Malamarite, and Zygardite are banned

all 3 are stupid and allow for stuff to lose to things that otherwise dont beat them (malamarite and zygardite) or is special beedrillite (luc-z) gl in tour all :)

 

[Articfox2024]

Ogerpon (F) @ Scizorite
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Grassy Glide
- Flower Trick
- Bitter Blade
- U-turn
This paired with Rillaboom could maybe be good?

 

[Don Vascus]

Circus (1AM) (Spectrier) @ Meganiumite
Ability: Grim Neigh
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moongeist Beam
- Draining Kiss
- Substitute
- Nasty Plot

How come no one else is running this on ladder

Meganiumite grants +60 spatk and a fairy typing, turning the stupid horse into an orbital space laser, capable of at least 2hkoing all neutral targets with +2 moongeist bean and beating resists with stab dkiss. It barely grants any bulk, which is a legitimate issue, and no speed, but spectrier is already quite fast and the power is more than worth it

 

[Clas]

Can we quick ban Transform.

I feel Blissey being in the meta was overlooked.

Blissey just comes in -> mega evolves to boost defense stat -> lives any hit comfortably -> transforms.

255 HP version of whatever you have. Can mega. Has 7 moves to choose from. And its Blissey, so it especially enters on any special attacker. In fact, bring any in might lose you the game.

Swap out into threat? Welp, you didn't damage it, so you gave them whatever you send in at full hp. Hope it wasn't a threat, cause the 714 hp pokemon will win out even if it loses the speed tie. Might not even be a speed tie, cause it can glare you before transforming.

Get every double right or it heals. Taunt or Hazard? According to the rankings above, there is an exceptionally high chance it has magic bounce.


Ban Blissey and it'll just be replaced by snorlax. Transform is the enabler.

To be honest, Transform is very rarely clicked without major punishment and the only teams Blissey fits on are stall teams. Between most teams accidentally Improofing themselves if well-built, the numerous very good physical Fighting-types in the meta (GZap, Ursh, Skewda, Boulder, Zama, Keld, Tusk), and Substitute being incredibly relevant right now, Transform is very iffy at best and at times just straight up detrimental.

Blissey is also a major momentum sink to the point where simply being hit by Volt Switch may set you back incredibly far. Blissey also just can't do any damage or provide utility this generation thanks to losing Toxic on its Ampharosite sets (the only actually good set off of stall), and it doesn't have Boomburst to try to supplement its poor damage. It's so iffy that its ranked low currently and would probably be C+ with an updated VR.

Your argument also doesn't take into account what happens after Blissey switches. Is it healthy? If not, what percentage is it on? Is it below 40%? Congrats, you probably can just remove it without issue on the spot. Maybe it copied a wall so now you get immense momentum in the form of hazard setting or removal or something like that.

Needless to say, I would be very surprised if a vote happened on Blissey, let alone a ban.

EDIT: got a v good replay for pointing out what i said above while just randomly queuing

 

[Lysion]

Circus (1AM) (Spectrier) @ Meganiumite
Ability: Grim Neigh
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moongeist Beam
- Draining Kiss
- Substitute
- Nasty Plot

How come no one else is running this on ladder

Meganiumite grants +60 spatk and a fairy typing, turning the stupid horse into an orbital space laser, capable of at least 2hkoing all neutral targets with +2 moongeist bean and beating resists with stab dkiss. It barely grants any bulk, which is a legitimate issue, and no speed, but spectrier is already quite fast and the power is more than worth it

I run the same set but with Audinite, and while the +60 SpA is good, I find Spectrier Audinite to tank a surprisingly high amount of hits, and it's often able to heal back to full with D Kiss. And no Speed kinda sucks, especially when 130 base Speed is something I find to be lacking at times, especially with most of the best offensive stones granting a lot of Speed, so I prefer to capitalize on bulk, if anything.

 

[Crep50]

- Rhyperior Balance by @BandedBodyPress

This specific team doesn’t seem to link to any form of paste, thought i’d mention.


Anyways i dont even like webs teams but here are some webs users ive been cooking up (all were tested for legality)

Word of warning: i was too lazy to do any actual damage calcs so i’ll probably go back to most of these later and try to include some

Hard Hitters

Scizor @ Banettite / Heatranite / Offensive Stone / Other
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Sticky Web
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Roost

180 attack and bullet punch, roost, and webs, all make scizor look really valuable. Other options could be Silk trap, first impression, beak blast, or more bulk-oriented stones like Sablenite or scolipite. Vanilla scizorite or a tough claws stone are also on the table for more offensive pressure, heatranite is cool - lots of options for scizor, baller mon.

Slither Wing @ Banettite / Offensive Stone / Other
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Sticky Web
- First Impression
- Morning Sun
- Combat Torque

Kleavor @ Banettite / Barbaracite / Staraptite / Offensive Stone / Other
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- First Impression/Close Combat
- Stone Axe
- Sticky Web
- U-turn

These two are the physically strongest bug mons available, so i had to mention them and first impression as a form of speed control

Kleavor 100% has the advantage over slither wing imo, since he can hit flyings that dont care all too much about webs anyways, and stone axe is just goated, though i’d like to mention slither wings neutrality to rocks compared to kleavors weakness to them.

Barbaracite also mitigates said weakness to rocks regardless, and staraptite gives intimidate + a rocks resistance, and an amazing offensive typing in Fighting/Rock. Gets the same flying type tools as scizor as well, so there are lots of good options on kleavor too.

More Defensive Options

Forretress @ Heatranite / Chandelurite
Ability: Sturdy
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Silk Trap
- Rapid Spin
- Sticky Web
- Gyro Ball

Oh hey thats not banettite. Yeah 75/140/95 (or 75/160/80 for chandelurite) bulk is actually really good considering the guy has no weaknesses. 120 (110) attack also lets it get more mileage out of gyro ball, or leech life if you want a form of healing, and he’s the only bug type that gets rapid spin, other than forme changes (the only two of which being banned (Arceus) or unavailable (Silvally)), which give Forretress a massive niche over other options.

Araquanid @ Audinite / Scolipite / Sablenite
Ability: Water Bubble
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Silk Trap
- Steam Eruption
- U-turn
- Sticky Web

Audinite is funnier than the other two since you don’t actually have any fairy stab, but water/fairy is still a good type defensively regardless. Altarianite + tera blast isnt worth it dont use that

As for the other two stones, scolipite gives more physical attack, and as such may be preferable with physical options like aqua jet or Wave Crash, and gives 1 base speed allowing for the slowest possible pivoting, whereas sablenite gives much more bulk and is probably better when using steam eruption/scald, and “only” hits 12 in base speed.
Another option is keeping araquanid unmega’d or using banettite for prankster shenanigans

Support options

Lokix @ Banettite / Absolite z
Ability: Tinted Lens
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Sticky Web
- Taunt
- Parting Shot/U-turn
- Knock Off

Generally solid support tools in taunt and parting shot, and knock off is a nice tool for anything that cant mega evolve. Absolite z lets you get the jump on some pokemon with a defensive type change as well as a ludicrous +76 speed, though getting zero ghost moves is rough.

Vikavolt @ Banettite / SpAtk Stone / Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Thunder Wave
- U-turn/Volt Switch
- Sticky Web
- Thunderclap

More funny than anything, though prankster twave is almost never bad regardless and thunderclap does hit pretty hard off a 145 (or higher) special attack. Shares a trait with Kleavor in the sense that thunderclap or volt switch could help chip down some bulkier flying types (if you play your cards right), but bulky grounds (especially pinsirite tusk) more than likely just completely wall you if you’re not running something like energy ball

 

[Nirvada2000]

Ogerpon (F) @ Scizorite
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Grassy Glide
- Flower Trick
- Bitter Blade
- U-turn
This paired with Rillaboom could maybe be good?

Ogerpon is only good with the Aggron stone:

Ogerpon (F) @ Aggronite
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Grav Apple/Salt cure
- Sacred Fire
- Stone Axe
- Syntesis

 

[gammablade]

can we add a stones list since there are mega stones from za included now

 

[Clas]

Ogerpon is only good with the Aggron stone:

Ogerpon (F) @ Aggronite
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Grav Apple/Salt cure
- Sacred Fire
- Stone Axe
- Syntesis

not exactly true, barbaracite and metagrossite are both decent options that take advantage of ogerpon's extended kit. that being said, aggronite is the de-facto set, yes.

Anyways i dont even like webs teams but here are some webs users ive been cooking up (all were tested for legality)

Word of warning: i was too lazy to do any actual damage calcs so i’ll probably go back to most of these later and try to include some

Hard Hitters

Scizor @ Banettite / Heatranite / Offensive Stone / Other
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Sticky Web
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Roost

180 attack and bullet punch, roost, and webs, all make scizor look really valuable. Other options could be Silk trap, first impression, beak blast, or more bulk-oriented stones like Sablenite or scolipite. Vanilla scizorite or a tough claws stone are also on the table for more offensive pressure, heatranite is cool - lots of options for scizor, baller mon.

Slither Wing @ Banettite / Offensive Stone / Other
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Sticky Web
- First Impression
- Morning Sun
- Combat Torque

Kleavor @ Banettite / Barbaracite / Staraptite / Offensive Stone / Other
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- First Impression/Close Combat
- Stone Axe
- Sticky Web
- U-turn

These two are the physically strongest bug mons available, so i had to mention them and first impression as a form of speed control

Kleavor 100% has the advantage over slither wing imo, since he can hit flyings that dont care all too much about webs anyways, and stone axe is just goated, though i’d like to mention slither wings neutrality to rocks compared to kleavors weakness to them.

Barbaracite also mitigates said weakness to rocks regardless, and staraptite gives intimidate + a rocks resistance, and an amazing offensive typing in Fighting/Rock. Gets the same flying type tools as scizor as well, so there are lots of good options on kleavor too.

More Defensive Options

Forretress @ Heatranite / Chandelurite
Ability: Sturdy
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Silk Trap
- Rapid Spin
- Sticky Web
- Gyro Ball

Oh hey thats not banettite. Yeah 75/140/95 (or 75/160/80 for chandelurite) bulk is actually really good considering the guy has no weaknesses. 120 (110) attack also lets it get more mileage out of gyro ball, or leech life if you want a form of healing, and he’s the only bug type that gets rapid spin, other than forme changes (the only two of which being banned (Arceus) or unavailable (Silvally)), which give Forretress a massive niche over other options.

Araquanid @ Audinite / Scolipite / Sablenite
Ability: Water Bubble
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Silk Trap
- Steam Eruption
- U-turn
- Sticky Web

Audinite is funnier than the other two since you don’t actually have any fairy stab, but water/fairy is still a good type defensively regardless. Altarianite + tera blast isnt worth it dont use that

As for the other two stones, scolipite gives more physical attack, and as such may be preferable with physical options like aqua jet or Wave Crash, and gives 1 base speed allowing for the slowest possible pivoting, whereas sablenite gives much more bulk and is probably better when using steam eruption/scald, and “only” hits 12 in base speed.
Another option is keeping araquanid unmega’d or using banettite for prankster shenanigans

Support options

Lokix @ Banettite / Absolite z
Ability: Tinted Lens
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Sticky Web
- Taunt
- Parting Shot/U-turn
- Knock Off

Generally solid support tools in taunt and parting shot, and knock off is a nice tool for anything that cant mega evolve. Absolite z lets you get the jump on some pokemon with a defensive type change as well as a ludicrous +76 speed, though getting zero ghost moves is rough.

Vikavolt @ Banettite / SpAtk Stone / Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Thunder Wave
- U-turn/Volt Switch
- Sticky Web
- Thunderclap

More funny than anything, though prankster twave is almost never bad regardless and thunderclap does hit pretty hard off a 145 (or higher) special attack. Shares a trait with Kleavor in the sense that thunderclap or volt switch could help chip down some bulkier flying types (if you play your cards right), but bulky grounds (especially pinsirite tusk) more than likely just completely wall you if you’re not running something like energy ball

nice to see some innovation attempts, but i think its worth saying this quickly. if the webs user cant threaten standard sablenite users (corv, tinglu, pert, pecha, milotic/vaporeon, mandi, somewhat magearna) then the user needs a mold breaker item. in regular mnm the only actual option would be manectite skill swap ribombee since thats the only webs setter that does anything, but here you have options like lucarionite vikavolt, barbaracite kleavor, metagrossite/diancite slither wing, absolite/zardy/hearthmask volcarona, and ampharosite araquanid. anything else is for sure completely unviable. also obviously every webs team needs either gholdengo, heatran, magearna, gambit, or an rsword user, as well as a way to pressure tusk and

sets list

Vikavolt @ Lucarionite
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Electro Drift
- Bug Buzz
- Thunderclap
- Sticky Web

Slither Wing @ Metagrossite / Diancite
Ability: Protosynthesis
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Zen Headbutt
- Flare Blitz / Wild Charge / U-turn
- Sticky Web

Kleavor @ Barbaracite
Ability: Sharpness
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- First Impression
- Stone Axe
- Sticky Web

Volcarona @ Absolite / Charizardite Y / Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Flame Body
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Blue Flare / Armor Cannon
- Giga Drain / Solar Beam
- Bug Buzz / Quiver Dance
- Sticky Web

Araquanid @ Ampharosite
Ability: Water Bubble
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Steam Eruption
- Water Shuriken
- Endeavor
- Sticky Web

 

[Crep50]

nice to see some innovation attempts, but i think its worth saying this quickly. if the webs user cant threaten standard sablenite users (corv, tinglu, pert, pecha, milotic/vaporeon, mandi, somewhat magearna) then the user needs a mold breaker item. in regular mnm the only actual option would be manectite skill swap ribombee since thats the only webs setter that does anything, but here you have options like lucarionite vikavolt, barbaracite kleavor, metagrossite/diancite slither wing, absolite/zardy/hearthmask volcarona, and ampharosite araquanid. anything else is for sure completely unviable. also obviously every webs team needs either gholdengo, heatran, magearna, gambit, or an rsword user, as well as a way to pressure tusk and …

Gonna be real i always forget sablenite gives mbounce and not something else. Guess im going back to the kitchen in terms of webs, then. Thanks for the quick analysis.

 

[thewaffkin]

Vikavolt @ Diancite
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance
- Electro Drift
- Bug Buzz
- Energy Ball

Meet the paper railgun
a whopping 205 SpA and less impressive 103 Speed after mega evolved but almost no defenses. the best Strat I've figured out is actually taking advantage of what people expect Vikavolt to do, set up webs so most of the time the first turn they try to set up so just click Quiver Dance. If they do attack Vikavolt is defensive enough (sometimes) to survive the first hit. So if you get that QD off them mega evolve their whole time dies. well except the downsides any priority moves, Special tanks, and going up against rock or fire types before it sets up

 

[Gnapalm]

Usecase for Absolite Z being added to Hoopa Unbounds prefered stones

Poopa Unflushed (Hoopa-Unbound) @ Absolite Z
Ability: Magician
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Poltergeist
- Drain Punch / Sucker Punch
- Photon Geyser
- Hone Claws

Hoopa will have 452 speed vs spectriers and eternatus's 392, ive seen mostly meganiumite spectriers but you can run sucker if you are expecting diancite. Drain Punch is for kingambits, you cant do much against them outside of predicting a switch, you can play the sucker game, and even sucker them first, but id advise just switching out. You also outspeed all 90 speed or below diancite users, and are immune to status moves like glare, encore etc.

Notable calcs
252 Atk Hoopa-Unbound Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Spectrier: 302-356 (88.5 - 104.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes

252 Atk Hoopa-Unbound Photon Geyser vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eternatus: 444-524 (105.4 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+1 252 Atk Hoopa-Unbound Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eternatus: 474-560 (97.9 - 115.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes

 

[Nirvada2000]

Garganacl @ Staraptite
Ability: Purifying Salt
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Salt Cure
- Body Press
- Stone Axe
- Recover
Garganacl is interesting with Staraptite. Loses Rock typing and become pure Fighting. And you secure hazards with Stone Axe + Salt Cure.

 

[Panic_Attack]

Palafin-Hero @ Starminite
Ability: Zero to Hero
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Ice Punch
- Jet Punch
- Drain Punch
- Flip Turn

In theory pure power with a 185 base attack should destroy pretty much everything in its path, but during play testing, mega evolving made palafin revert to base form and gave it illuminate instead, is that an intended feature or a bug?

 

[Lysion]

Palafin-Hero @ Starminite
Ability: Zero to Hero
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Ice Punch
- Jet Punch
- Drain Punch
- Flip Turn

In theory pure power with a 185 base attack should destroy pretty much everything in its path, but during play testing, mega evolving made palafin revert to base form and gave it illuminate instead, is that an intended feature or a bug?

Absolutely not a bug:
- in Mix and Mega, a form change will revert upon mega evolving (Meloetta, Darmanitan, Palafin...)
- we have datamined abilities and not ZA OU ones, so in datamine, Starmie-Mega gets Illuminate

 

[Panic_Attack]

Absolutely not a bug:
- in Mix and Mega, a form change will revert upon mega evolving (Meloetta, Darmanitan, Palafin...)
- we have datamined abilities and not ZA OU ones, so in datamine, Starmie-Mega gets Illuminate

Ok, that makes sense, cheers

 

[kooopooolooo]

Genuine question, why does ttar only have the tyranitarite as a viable item? I'm asking because the excadrillite looks great on it in theory and is an obvious combination

 

[Don Vascus]

Genuine question, why does ttar only have the tyranitarite as a viable item? I'm asking because the excadrillite looks great on it in theory and is an obvious combination

Tyranitar is pretty limited by the fact that rock/dark is a limited typing in what it can accomplish in big 2026

Offensive sets like the one you mention are not in contention just because rock/dark thuds into many pokemon in the tier, namely magearna. As for defensive niches tyranitarite outclasses everything else since the the spdef boost is too good

 

[Dunsparcelona13]

For the STABmon portion of this, do they only gain access to moves of their types before they mega evolve? That makes sense, but would like to confirm. And do they keep all other moves originally in their movepools?

 

[Nirvada2000]

For the STABmon portion of this, do they only gain access to moves of their types before they mega evolve? That makes sense, but would like to confirm. And do they keep all other moves originally in their movepools?

YES

 

[ljsdnlsdln]

Is there any reason ceruledge is unrestricted here but not in mnm? I get that sr and rock moves in general are much more common here but it still eats up any fatter teams unless theyre running sth like a heatranite normal or staraptor avalugg. Chip from from sr in the long run doesnt even matter since it heals to full just from 1 bitter blade on the opponents switch.

 

[Articfox2024]

Ogerpon is only good with the Aggron stone:

Ogerpon (F) @ Aggronite
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Grav Apple/Salt cure
- Sacred Fire
- Stone Axe
- Syntesis

Okay I actually used the scizorite ogerpon and it wasn't good. You're right.