A Shoddy Team..

[Shadow Ballin]

At a Glance:

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Gengar (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Hypnosis

Gengar can take out the most types on my team, and outspeeds literally everything. Shadow Ball dishes out huge damage to anything it hits for Super Effective damage. Focus Blast knocks off 1/3 of the standard Blissey's health, and destroys Weavile. Hypnosis cripples speedy sweepers and Walls that I would usually have trouble with. Thunderbolt kills Gyarados, and destroys other Flying and Water types.

Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Roost
- Taunt

Glsicor is here for a bit of support and a lot of physical walling. Taunt wipes the floor with Blissey and other stalls like Foretress and Skarmory, which allows a switch out to one of my four sweepers or Cresselia to inflict paralysis to cripple them even more. Roost alows Gliscor to recover damage taken from sweepers. The other moves explain themselves.

Cresselia (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/104 Def/154 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave
- Moonlight
- Reflect

Cresselia is my support numper two. Thunder Wave is for crippling sweepers that are faster than mine, which proves to work well. Reflect the physical damage damage done to my sweepers, allowing them to sweep for longer. And Moonlight is just there to keep Cresselia alive. Ice Beam 2HKO common dragons in OU.

Heracross (M) @ Choice Band/ Life Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 104 HP/252 Atk/154 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Megahorn
- Stone Edge
- Night Slash

(Need some help with the item....)

Weavile (M) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Ice Shard
- Night Slash
- Brick Break
- Swords Dance

After a Swords Dance or two, Weavile destroys anything that isn't resistant. Ice Shard kills speedy yet feeble Pokemon like Aerodactyl, and Dragon Dancers. Night Slash kills the slower, yet feeble sweepers and it puts a huge dent in a Dusknoir. Brick Break kills fellow Weaviles, Porygon-Z, Blissey, and Tyranitar.

Porygon-Z @ Life Orb
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot

Absolutely smashes sleeping or paralysed opponents. Nasty Plot is used any chance Porygon-Z has. Thunderbolt eats Gyarados and Skarmory for breakfast. Dark Pulse kills the common Azelf, Gengar, and other feeble Psychic and Ghost types. Tri Attack destroys anything resistant or neutral to the other two attacks, dishing out 160 power.

 

[slayer124]

This team got me a 8 win streak on Shoddy so it must be pretty good.

Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Roost
- Taunt

Gliscor is another one of my supporters. He absolutely screws over enemy Ninjask, who try to Baton Pass away their Speed Boosts, with Taunt. Stealth Rock gives Breloom some much needed support and it makes Pokemon weak to Rock think twice about switching in. Roost provides a great healing move and reduces Gliscor's 4x Ice weakness down to 2x temporarily.

Cresselia (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/104 Def/154 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave
- Moonlight
- Reflect

Cresselia is my support numper two. Thunder Wave is for crippling sweepers that are faster than mine, which proves to work well. Reflect the physical damage damage done to my sweepers, allowing them to sweep for longer. And Moonlight is just there to keep Cresselia alive. Ice Beam 2HKO common dragons in OU.

Breloom (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 46 HP/252 Atk/212 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Seed Bomb
- Substitute
- Spore

Breloom basically avoids hits while battering the opponent to the ground. Spore will stop the opponent in it's tracks which will allow Breloom to set up a Substitute and then unleash it's massively powerful Focus Punch, which has a huge base power of 225 after STAB. Toxic Orb provides Poison Healing to re-gain the health lost from Substitute.

Gengar (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic

Gengar can take out the most types on my team, and outspeeds literally everything. Shadow Ball dishes out huge damage to anything it hits for Super Effective damage. Focus Blast knocks off 1/3 of the standard Blissey's health, and destroys Weavile. Psychic wipes out my Heracross weakness, and kills other Fighting types. Thunderbolt kills Gyarados, and destroys other Flying and Water types.

Weavile (M) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Ice Shard
- Night Slash
- Brick Break
- Swords Dance

After a Swords Dance or two, Weavile destroys anything that isn't resistant. Ice Shard kills speedy yet feeble Pokemon like Aerodactyl, and Dragon Dancers. Night Slash kills the slower, yet feeble sweepers and it puts a huge dent in a Dusknoir. Brick Break kills fellow Weaviles, Porygon-Z, Blissey, and Tyranitar.

Porygon-Z @ Life Orb
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot

Absolutely smashes sleeping or paralysed opponents. Nasty Plot is used any chance Porygon-Z has. Thunderbolt eats Gyarados and Skarmory for breakfast. Dark Pulse kills the common Azelf, Gengar, and other feeble Psychic and Ghost types. Tri Attack destroys anything resistant or neutral to the other two attacks, dishing out 160 power.

I've been thinking about replacing Gliscor on my team for one of these...

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/78 Def/174 SDef
Relaxed nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Gyro Ball
- Stealth Rock
- Hypnosis

OR replacing him with this...

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP/154 Def/104 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Substitute
- Wish
- Baton Pass

Well I will leave your team as it is because if you want to use Bronzog you need wish supporter like Vaporeon.

 

[kd24]

Right now I would just say use hypnosis or destiny bond on Gengar as psychic has bad coverage. Also consider U-Turn on Gliscor to get out of there in a hurry

 

[moi]

I really see a Heracross Weakness, and a Weavile weakness. You could possibly do one of two things. By giving Gliscor Aerial Ace, you can at least deal damage to Heracross, which can stop them from setting up (seeing how Cross will get 2 boosts if it happens, one will be when you don't expect it) or by just dealing damage, and two will be by the time you Taunt) but you're still open to opposing Weaviles. You could use Skarm, which doesn't counter Heracross, as CB will 2HKO, but they do such an amount of damage you could switch to Gengar after the first hit, as it's obvious, and Weavile can barely do anything, except try and set up, which you can Whirlwind away. Bronzong could work as well, but takes neutral damage from his Double Stab for 2HKO (against Addy ScarfCross, 97.17% 2HKO calculating Stealth Rocks and Leftovers, assuming Band or Guts, it's guarenteed)

 

[Haste2]

Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Roost
- Taunt

I never knew until now that Taunt goes through Substitute. That's excellent.

Cresselia (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/104 Def/154 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave
- Moonlight
- Reflect

Looks pretty good. You might want to consider Rest over Reflect, as Sandstorm will limit your recovery ability. Odds are you'll be able to last a while before needing to recover, too.

Breloom (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 46 HP/252 Atk/212 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Seed Bomb
- Substitute
- Spore

Bog standard... meh.

Gengar (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic

For Scarf Gengars you should make it modest... it's unlikely you'll be facing another Scarfed Pokemon that would outspeed you otherwise, and extra power is nice. I'm not a big Focus Blast fan due to its accuracy... I'd replace it with Hypnosis to give you a sleep move, and it can help against Weavile, too.

Weavile (M) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Ice Shard
- Night Slash
- Brick Break
- Swords Dance

Your team has a bit of Gengar trouble... I might suggest giving Weavile Pursuit. The Lum Berry goes with it nicely as you can absorb a Hypnosis before Pursuiting it to death. As for something to drop...eh... who knows? If you put Bronzong in your team I suppose you'd be fine as far as Gengar-countering, and you could predict a switch to Gengar anyway.

Porygon-Z @ Life Orb
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot

I personally think its a bit too slow to be a reliable Nasty Plotter... if you were able to BP a speed move, it might be a different story. I prefer Choice Specs, though.... Tri Attack = instant major damage there.

Comment: Well, there's the Weavile weakness as mentioned , but I also see a T-Tar weakness, especially Boah. Among your considerations, Bronzong would make a pretty good counter, and it could make good use of Stealth Rock and Hypnosis. As for WHO Bronzong should replace... I wouldn't mind it if you dropped...Porygon Z.

 

[grizzly bear]

To be honest, I think you should replace Breloom with something that poses a more immediate threat and can break down walls more efficiently for Weavile/Porygon later, most likely a CB Heracross. CB Heracross makes huge dents in most common walls to Weavile, like
Bronzong/Skarmory/Forretress/Swampert etc, not to mention it absolutely terrifies Blissey, a huge pain to Gengar/Porygon. You also have Gliscor covered really well, which Heracross enjoys. I suggest making Gengar Modest, as you don't really need to outspeed Deo E as you have it covered fine, and Gengar needs that extra power without an attack boosting item. Also, one more thing on Gengar is you definitely could replace Psychic with Hypnosis, because if you took my advice you now lack a sleep move. To be honest, you really do not need more coverage on Heracross, as Gliscor still is going to beat all versions of Heracross not counting random perfect timing Stone Edge crits, including SD Heracross, as it won't get +6 with SD because of Taunt, and Stone Edge will be PPed so quickly with Roost/misses.

 

[Lee]

As it stands your whole team (Gliscor, Cresselia, Gengar, Weavile, PorygonZ and Breloom) are torn apart by a CB/SD Weavile. If you were to replace Gliscor for anyone, I'd have to reccomend Forretress rather than 'Zong or Vaporeon. You lose your Hera counter, but Forry/Cress/Gengar can easily wall Heracross with a little prediction (EDIT: easily wall choice Hera at least...the rare SD variants would be trickier to work around, but Gliscor isn't countering them at the minute either). Unfortunately, I'm not conviced that Forry's residual damage and spinning techniques would bring a lot to such a hyper offensive, frail team, so you could opt to use a defensive Scizor instead.

Whatever you decide to do, your priority needs to be finding a Weavile counter, and I just don't like Bronzong in that role as he has no recovery and CB Night Slash does a lot, easily 3HKOing most spreads.

 

[Rhykune]

You need a Weavile counter... Badly. Also a Heatran counter as Choice Speced Fire Blast one or two shots everything on your team, and the thing that it two shotted, it outspeeds. This may be even more sever than your Weavile weakness. I can see Gorm's RestTalking Gyarados working pretty well on this team, as it can absorb Status, live for a long time and fix these weaknesses.

 

[Shadow Ballin]

Ok thanks for all your help this is the most amount od replies I've ever recieved on an RMT thread :)
Ok Irak, thanks for the suggestion about Heracross. I'm now definately putting him in the mix, replacing Breloom.
I'm going to test how my team runs on Shoddy right now... Thanks for all your help :)

 

[Nightsever]

To be honest, I think you should replace Breloom with something that poses a more immediate threat and can break down walls more efficiently for Weavile/Porygon later, most likely a CB Heracross. CB Heracross makes huge dents in most common walls to Weavile, like
Bronzong/Skarmory/Forretress/Swampert etc, not to mention it absolutely terrifies Blissey, a huge pain to Gengar/Porygon. You also have Gliscor covered really well, which Heracross enjoys. I suggest making Gengar Modest, as you don't really need to outspeed Deo E as you have it covered fine, and Gengar needs that extra power without an attack boosting item. Also, one more thing on Gengar is you definitely could replace Psychic with Hypnosis, because if you took my advice you now lack a sleep move. To be honest, you really do not need more coverage on Heracross, as Gliscor still is going to beat all versions of Heracross not counting random perfect timing Stone Edge crits, including SD Heracross, as it won't get +6 with SD because of Taunt, and Stone Edge will be PPed so quickly with Roost/misses.

taunt wont stop sdhera since gliscor is slower and im pretty sure hera can 2hko gliscor with +4 atk

 

[Shadow Ballin]

Taunt will only allow Hera to get +2 which won't even 2HKO Gliscor.

 

[Shadow Ballin]

Anyone else got any thing else to say about my team?

 

[gengod]

You're not allowed to bump a thread until after 24 Hrs.

 

[Shadow Ballin]

Ah ok sorry... ANyone else got anything to say?

 

[Bourbon]

You still lack a solid Weavile counter. SD Weavile could sweep your entire team. After a SD, Ice Punch OHKOs Heracross, Porygon-Z and Gliscor. Night Slash kills Gengar, and your Weavile gets Brick Break'd.

A solid steel type, such as Bronzong or Jirachi (who could set up Wish, and paralyze the Weavile with Body Slam) would really help here. Also, consider a fire resist, heatran will have a lot of fun with this team.


As much as I like Porygon-Z, now is not the time to use him. The metagame has too many scarfers. If you could get him in, he may be able to wreak some havoc, but since everything will outspeed you (Infernape, Garchomp, Gengar, Starmie, Azelf, Weavile, Aerodactyl, Heracross) and will revenge kill. If you really want to use him, Scarf or Specs him for the free boost in Speed or power. If you go choice, I would likely pick Shadow Ball straight up to catch those Gengar switch-ins.

 

[Bourbon]

Did you read... SD Weavile... it has the freedom of picking moves. And how do you deal with Restalk Heatran. None of your pokemon like being Burned except Heracross, and Lava Plume would rape him. Once Restalk Heatran gets in, something is gonna get screwed over terribly. Cress seems to be the easiest opening, followed by Porygon-Z. However, Specs Heatran, that's a different story:

Specs Heatran would 2HKO everything on this team. Lets do some calcs:

Modest Specs Fire Blast on your:

Cress: 52.03% - 61.26% Almost a certain 2HKO.

Weavile: 265.12% - 312.10% I think that's a OHKO, maybe a 2HKO with that cape of +4 Fire resistance

Heracross: 225.91% - 265.78% OHKO

Gliscor: 116.38% - 137.01% Even Gliscor gets owned, and he isn't weak to it.

Porygon-Z 132.48% - 155.95%

Gengar: 157.85% - 185.82%


I think you have a problem here. Maybe next time you should take my advice :(


SD Weavile. +2 attack, using the appropriate move on your:

Night Slash on Cress: 91.44% - 107.66%
Pursuit (staying in) : 52.93% - 62.16%

Ice Punch on Gliscor: 212.71% - 250.00%
Ice Shard on Gliscor: 115.25% - 135.59%

Ice Punch on Heracross: 127.57% - 150.17%

Ice Punch on Porygon-Z: 130.55% - 153.38%

Brick Break on Weavile: 407.83% - 479.72%

Pursuit on Gengar, no boosts (staying in): 95.40% - 112.26%
Pursuit on Gengar, no boosts (switching): 188.12% - 221.07%
SD Ice Shard on Gengar: 93.87% - 110.73%

WEAVILE NO RAPE! WEAVILE NO RAPE!

 

[junior]

Gengar weak. Yeah.. any Gengar can come in a devastate your team, especially the rare specs variant or 'common', yet surprising Scarf Gengar. Nothing can take 1-2 hits from it. Your only chance against it is to probably catch it on a switch-in or revenge kill. You probably want to slap a Pursuit on your Weavile just to eliminate this threat from getting in your way towards victory. While the normal Gengar would be covered, ScarfGar still poses a threat with the ability to hit just as hard and outspeeding everything as well (baring your own ScarfGar). You probably shouldn't rely on luck to allow you to win a speed tie as one pokemon can cost you the match. I would suggest putting in a solid special wall that can completely wall Gengar and this solid wall being Blissey. Its typing comes in handy against Gengar as Shadow Ball goes right through Blissey and leaving her unharmed. If you want this solid Gengar counter in your team, you definitely have to remove one of your sweepers (painful I know..).

The reason you DON'T want to remove your walls is because Gliscor counters Heracross who would cause havoc for your team otherwise, and Cresselia because she is the best Infernape counter anyone could ask for. Without her, you would also end up having Mixape weak.

To fit Blissey into your team without losing that coverage on those certain pokemons, as well as doing it without losing a sweeper, you could always do these...

• Remove Porygon2 for Gyarados or Starmie (though Gyara is the better choice) and then...
• Remove Cresselia for Blissey.

Why? Essentially, Gyarados counters what Cresselia would be doing for this team but can still set up for a sweep. Starmie also, but to a lesser extent (i.e. loses to Mamoswine). This will allow you to take out Cresselia as you wouldn't want two pokemons with the same job and leaving the room for Blissey to counter Gengar, which as I stated before, should be your main worry at the moment.

Anyway, as far as the sets go, standard for Starmie is probably the best for Infernape or you can always go with a Life Orb set, which I personally like most, as well as use on my main team. Surf, Thunderbolt and Ice Beam provides excellent coverage and everything you want to take down with Starmie will be available. Recover allows you to abuse your Life Orb usage.

As for Gyarados, you probably want something that can last through out the game, you could always use a Sleep Talking variant (Credit goes to Obi/gormy). Rest, Sleep Talk, Dragon Dance/Return and Waterfall can work. I'd presonally go with Dragon Dance over coverage for power, although you'd really hate being walled by Vaporeon and fellow Water Absorbers. Once they're out of the way though....

 

[Shadow Ballin]

OK well, Porygon's going for Gyara, and I was thinking about losing Gliscor for Swampert. Not sure if it's smart or not...

 

[Dark Arches]

I assume that the OP is the latest version of the team.

I like the pink and purple color scheme you have going.

Ok, modest on gengar, AA somewhere on gliscor, cress could use a better EV spread IMO (less hp) choice band on somewhat bulky hera, make weavile a revenge killer if you want, but give weavile or hera pursuit, and thunderbolt kinda seems like filler on poryZ if you have it on gengar too.

 

[gorm]

i'd throw at least some speed on gliscor for opposing ones ( if you want more, maybe 244 hp 208 def rest in speed to outspeed adamant loom)

heatran is a huge problem since your best switch is cress who can only really twave him. same deal with infernape. you could always replace cress with wish protect vappy to help out with these and scarf hera since garchomp is "handled" by gliscor and can be revenge killed by various weaviles/gengars. this loses your twave support unfortunately. psychic on cress is another idea but you're still incredibly heatran weak and your only chance is a revenge kill. slowbro over cress could also be considered

one thing i dont like about this team is that you need to rely on hera to break skarmbliss and he can't exactly safe switch into either without healbell support. granted if bliss twaves him the opponent is in for a world of pain in the next turn but you still lose alot of sweeping potential.

 

[ToF]

Ok a few things to reiterate. I would switch Weavile to CB and add Pursuit over Swords Dance. The reason is that any special sweeper fucks you over hardcore, especially the oh so common Gengar.

I find Porygon-Z useless on this team. I would much rather like this slot to be dedicated to a Weavile counter, something like RestTalk Gyarados or Forretress, preferably the first. Provides a solid status absorber, something that the team struggles with. Paralysis greatly hinders the capabilities of your team as of now (Gengar/Weavile/Porygon-Z).

Just my spin on things, but Moonlight needs to go on Cresselia. With the number of Sandstorm teams out there, it will get you nowhere. I feel that RestTalk is a more viable option on Cresselia.