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I dont think this is new or creative but... I think this should go in the analysis:

Suicide Bomber!

Crobat @ Leftovers / Black Sludge
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 164 HP / 168 Atk / 176 Spe
*Brave Bird
*U-Turn
*Taunt
*Roost

What a cocky bat this thing is, able to counter every fighting pokemon in the game with its great resistence. For infernapes thinking I won't kill you with air slash, take a Brave Bird to the face... Roost deals with recoil nicely, and even gives him longevity with Stealth Rock. U-Turn + Taunt is great for shuting down Skarmory and stalling pokemon, because you utterly wall Celebi and friends.

Oh yea, and the reason this is called Suicide bomber... You can switch in on Lucario as it Swords Dances, Survive the Extremespeed and take that bitch down with you as brave bird strips away over 80% of its HP (I haven't ran the official calcs yet, but I've used this baby enough).
 
Looks OK, but you'd have to play it with a spinner if you want to counter SDLuke; Extremespeed will OHKO well over 50% of the time if you come in on Stealth Rock, even taking Leftovers into account.
 
Forretress (M) @ Shed Shell/Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Toxic/Rapid Spin

With these set you are nearly guaranteed to get all three Spikes. Put in Rapid Spin if you really need it. You can also put in Toxic Spikes instead.

What you think?
 
Any Idea how I should EV this set:

Altaria @ Leftovers
Modest nature

Draco Meteor
Flamethrower/Earthquake
Psych Up
Roost

From a few pages back

And agh I have to stick with flamethrower as im not on shoddy which leaves me completely walled by heatran, but I guess the former leaves me walled by skarm

Can you psych up Choice Scarf or Choice Specs stat changes?
 
I was thinking. Whirwind and Roar get a priority of -5 right, but what if you already got Speed boost +5/6? Is its normal Speed then? Because then passing Speed to Skarmory or something would be very effective and otherwise:

Yanmega@Leftovers/Wide Lens
Modest, ????
-Hypnosis
-Whirlwind
-Bug Buzz/HP Ground
-Air Slash/HP Ground

Is this right or am i making something up :P

@Speedwobbles: I say you have too use EQ since i see alot more Heatrans then Skarms lately. Gliscor also gets more users i think. But dont use EQ since then you need to spilt your EVs in 2 stats and Altaria's attacking stats arent that high so go with HP Ground then.
 
The Shadow Trainer said:
I was thinking. Whirwind and Roar get a priority of -5 right, but what if you already got Speed boost +5/6? Is its normal Speed then?
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Priority is not related to Speed.

You may have a +6 Speed Timid 252 Porygon-Z and use Trick Room, and it will still attack after a -6 Speed Brave 0 IV Trapinch's Earthquake.
 
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Absol @ leftovers
~Swords Dance
~Thunder Wave
~Night Slash
~Me First
Adamant
Evs:252 Attack/252 Hp/4 Speed

Comments: This set is really awesome. After you T-Wave an opponent, you are faster than it. Than you Swords Dance while they either stay in or switch. If the opponent is ground typed, switch out. If its Dugtrio then stay in and Night Slash will KO after a Swords Dance while it will fail to KO. Me First is cool if you paralyze a dragon or something. If they attack you with their STAB attack, Me First will KO them.

Opinions and comments appreciated!
 
I was thinking. Whirwind and Roar get a priority of -5 right, but what if you already got Speed boost +5/6? Is its normal Speed then? Because then passing Speed to Skarmory or something would be very effective and otherwise:

Yanmega@Leftovers/Wide Lens
Modest, ????
-Hypnosis
-Whirlwind
-Bug Buzz/HP Ground
-Air Slash/HP Ground

Is this right or am i making something up :P
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It doesn't work that way. No matter how fast you are, as long as the priority of the move you're using is lower than your opponents move then your opponents move will always go first.
 
Justinawe said:
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Absol @ leftovers
~Swords Dance
~Thunder Wave
~Night Slash
~Me First
Adamant
Evs:252 Attack/252 Speed/4 Hp

Comments: This set is really awesome. After you T-Wave an opponent, you are faster than it. Than you Swords Dance while they either stay in or switch. If the opponent is ground typed, switch out. If its Dugtrio then stay in and Night Slash will KO after a Swords Dance while it will fail to KO. Me First is cool if you paralyze a dragon or something. If they attack you with their STAB attack, Me First will KO them.

Opinions and comments appreciated!
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Well Absol won't be exactly fast without T-Wave..so unless you avoid Ground a/o Baton Pass Speed..you'd have to switch a lot. Me First is better to be used against Dragons (weak to their own STABs) Steels (weak to EQ ..switch in like Banded Gross) or Lucario (Me First his Aura Sphere/Close Combat to death)..but all of those require good speed..Lucario can do this with Scarf (though fail to outrun 252/252 Adamant Scarf Chomp and Modest 252/252 ScarfGar).. still good strategy if you pass speed/use T-Wave and predict well.
 
Justinawe said:
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Absol @ leftovers
~Swords Dance
~Thunder Wave
~Night Slash
~Me First
Adamant
Evs:252 Attack/252 Speed/4 Hp

Comments: This set is really awesome. After you T-Wave an opponent, you are faster than it. Than you Swords Dance while they either stay in or switch. If the opponent is ground typed, switch out. If its Dugtrio then stay in and Night Slash will KO after a Swords Dance while it will fail to KO. Me First is cool if you paralyze a dragon or something. If they attack you with their STAB attack, Me First will KO them.

Opinions and comments appreciated!
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Interesting set there. However a ground (especially Garchomp) will easily stop this, and with only one move (offensive) you're going to be walled by things like Skarm or Hippo.
 
Crobat@Leftovers
Jolly/Timid
252HP/252 Spd/6 Def or Sdef
- Sleep Talk
- Whirlwind
- (Rest)
There you have the fastest Whirlwinder Sleeptalk lets you ignore priority move thats why you maybe need to put of Rest and Predict well and has SR, Spikes out then this work excellent i have test it works wonder.
 
Claydol @ Leftovers
212 HP/ 196 Def/ 60 Atk/ 40 Sp.Atk
Relaxed - Levitate
Calm Mind
Explosion
Earth Power
ice Beam

Meant ot be used with sand stream support for a sp.def boost. Calm Mind up and attempt to sweep, or explode in something frails face that will try to counter you. Works as well in trick Room due to being relaxed.
 
Whirlwind has negative priority... so crobat despite being fast will still go last against anything using a higher priority move

I would rather use skarmory as a whirlwinder
 
Sleep talk turns whirlwind into a neutral priority move. I still wouldn't use it though since it only works half the time.
 
Articanus said:
a third: rest and the other move
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His set only had three moves. Though if that is a problem, Aerodactyl does the exact same thing with access to both WW and Roar. That actually increases your chances to 2/3...


Cool Deoxys-E set I've been testing out:

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Deoxys-E @ Leftovers
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP / 184 SpA / 72 Spe
Ability: Pressure
Moveset:
-Recover
-Psychic
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt

CounterStar, eat your heart out. Used to take down the likes of ScarfChomp, Gyarados, and Infernape with ease. However, thanks to the ridiculous amount of Speed, this set (unlike CounterStar) can take down 184 Spe EV DDGyarados, ScarfChomp (lives Outrage every time), and doesn't fear Thunderpunch from Infernape. After maxing out HP, the Speed EVs let you outrun ScarfChomp, and the Special Attack is over 269, giving you a surefire kill on all but the bulkiest Garchomp. You only need 172 SpA for 269, so the other 12 EVs can go anywhere you desire.
 
speedwobbles225 said:
Any Idea how I should EV this set:

Altaria @ Leftovers
Modest nature

Draco Meteor
Flamethrower/Earthquake
Psych Up
Roost

From a few pages back

And agh I have to stick with flamethrower as im not on shoddy which leaves me completely walled by heatran, but I guess the former leaves me walled by skarm

Can you psych up Choice Scarf or Choice Specs stat changes?
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I'd go with Phuquoph's EV spread, which was 248 HP, 252 special attack, 8 speed with Life Orb. If you're trying to play this in OU, though, I'd suggest using Exeggutor, which has higher defenses and a much higher special attack, except Leaf Storm is resisted more often in OU.

Should I make a separate thread about this style of set, or would it just get locked?
 
Pulse, why don't you run Superpower somewhere? With it, you can beat any low health Blissey. Afterwards, proceed a late game sweep with BoltBeam.
 
Well you obviously didn't read the set if you think it is a sweeper... I wouldn't even 2HKO Blissey with a Timid Nature. The point of the set is to be one of the best Garchomp (barring CB), Gyarados, and Infernape counters.
 
Wouldn't that ruin the whole "CounterStar" thing? As you want a decent counter to many threats like Gyarados, ScarfChomp, etc but Superpower just prevents that by lowering Attack and Defense? Not to mention if you do want to use it you'll have to resort to using a -Def/SpD nature which would kind of ruin it and invest so many EVs in Attack.
 
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