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Slowking/Quiet@Lum Berry

212Atk/252Satk/ HP
~Sub
~Focus-Punch
~IceBeam
~FireBlast

OHKO Ttar, 2HKO Zong+Bliss
but fails to OHKO gar...

pls update this set because it has imo rly potential!
 
Slowbro can do the exact same thing and has the advantage of being physically bulky (better for a Water-type). But I suppose if you're looking for a Tyranitar lure.
 
The Forsworn said:
Slowking/Quiet@Lum Berry

212Atk/252Satk/ HP
~Sub
~Focus-Punch
~IceBeam
~FireBlast

OHKO Ttar, 2HKO Zong+Bliss
but fails to OHKO gar...

pls update this set because it has imo rly potential!
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When you say 2HKO I hope you dont mean by focus punch. Also, you might consider replacing Icebeam for one of its STAB moves.
 
The Forsworn said:
Slowking/Quiet@Lum Berry

212Atk/252Satk/ HP
~Sub
~Focus-Punch
~IceBeam
~FireBlast

OHKO Ttar, 2HKO Zong+Bliss
but fails to OHKO gar...

pls update this set because it has imo rly potential!
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i'm afraid not. you sub up on one turn, the opponent breaks the sub during the turn you're traunting. you can't take advantage of the sub enough to warrant this set imo. i could see a set with focus punch without sub working though.
 
animenagai said:
i'm afraid not. you sub up on one turn, the opponent breaks the sub during the turn you're traunting. you can't take advantage of the sub enough to warrant this set imo. i could see a set with focus punch without sub working though.
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when is slowking ever truanting?

also, i dont see this ever getting past tyranitar unless its used as bait, as said before.
 
I present to you two sets, both currently works in progress:

First, the mixed sweeping Gyarados, or MS DOS (yes, I am aware of the horrible pun)!

Gyarados
Mild
@Life Orb
252Sp.Atk/55 Atk/200 Speed
Waterfall
Ice Beam/Blizzard
Thunder/Bolt
Earthquake

..Like I say, it's a work in progress. Help would be greatly appreciated.

And.... Mixed Fearow!

Fearow
Mild
@Life Orb
252Sp.Atk/55 Atk/200 Speed
Drill Peck
Return/Pursuit/Faint Attack/Steel Wing/U-Turn
Tri-Attack
Hidden Power Ground

Drill Peck and Tri-Attack for STAB. Hidden Power Ground for those Steel-types you all thought Fearow couldn't take out anymore. Need help on that second move.

And while I'm making this post...

SpecsDos!
Gyarados
Modest
@Choice Specs
252Sp.Atk/252 Speed/6 HP
Surf/Hydro Pump
Ice Beam/Blizzard
Thunder/Bolt
Flamethrower/Fire Blast

Really, it's up to you- go for power, or accuracy?
 
Zapdos@Leftovers/Life Orb
Timid/Modest
200 HP 85 DEF 36 SPEED 85 SP DEF, 104 SP ATK
U-Turn
Subsuite
Thunder
Rain Dance

1ST TURN: You use Subsuite, the sub doesn't break
2ND TURN: Use Rain Dance
3RD TURN: Thunder away
4TH TURN: If anything comes that resists Thunder, U-Turn away, to another pokemon, I assume that U-Turn passes Subs? Pass to something like Kingdra then sweep away.
 
Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
252 Atk / 160 SpDef / 96 Spd

Standard Scarf Moveset




This isn't actually a new moveset, just a new spread. With those EV's Chomp outspeeds Base 130's, and survives a 269 Ice Beam 100% of the time. It's bulky and just as strong. I like this spread a lot.
 
RaikouLover said:
I dont think this is new or creative but... I think this should go in the analysis:

Suicide Bomber!

Crobat @ Leftovers / Black Sludge
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 164 HP / 168 Atk / 176 Spe
*Brave Bird
*U-Turn
*Taunt
*Roost

What a cocky bat this thing is, able to counter every fighting pokemon in the game with its great resistence. For infernapes thinking I won't kill you with air slash, take a Brave Bird to the face... Roost deals with recoil nicely, and even gives him longevity with Stealth Rock. U-Turn + Taunt is great for shuting down Skarmory and stalling pokemon, because you utterly wall Celebi and friends.

Oh yea, and the reason this is called Suicide bomber... You can switch in on Lucario as it Swords Dances, Survive the Extremespeed and take that bitch down with you as brave bird strips away over 80% of its HP (I haven't ran the official calcs yet, but I've used this baby enough).
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Yay crobat. ^^ I run a less bulky spread with max attack so that BB can have a chance of ohko'ing gengar or ohko guaranteed if there's SR. And yes, crobat doesn't need to run max speed as there's no point outspeeding stuff like weavile, aerodactyl, and jolteon. Speed above starmie's or sceptile's tiers are good enough. So the rest of the EVs can go to HP. If this crobat is used as a starter, substitute can be an alternative. I'm planning to use a non-starter crobat in my other team so I'll definitely try out your EV spread.
 
here is a set im thinking of using for my giratina

Giratina @ leftovers
Adamant nature

Dragon claw
shadow force
rest
will-o-wisp

and here a typlosion set (dunno if its all that original)

Typhlosion @ heatrock
modest/timid

sunny day
flamethrower
solarbeam
focus blast

i havent yet thought of EV spreads for them. I too busy training my pupitar, fluffy.
 
Shadow Force isn't terrible, but it's just a whole lot better in 2v2 where Protect is a very common move, which Shadow Force hits through. I'm totally not sure how much Protect is abused in 2v2 Ubers though.
 
Bologo said:
Shadow Force isn't terrible, but it's just a whole lot better in 2v2 where Protect is a very common move, which Shadow Force hits through. I'm totally not sure how much Protect is abused in 2v2 Ubers though.
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I haven't really found this to be the case in practice. For one thing, the move still takes two turns to execute and most Giratina aren't fast enough to avoid most attacks on the first turn of Shadow Force. That second turn allows the opponent to focus on Giratina's partner. Also, Shadow Force may bypass Protect, but it still doesn't hit Normal-types. Personally, I use my opponent's Shadow Force as a free switch-in and set-up turn for my Slaking.
 
People seriously need to stop taking Zapdos set names (Bulkydos, MS-Dos) and applying them to Gyarados...

Mixed sweeper Gyarados has been suggested many, many, many times, but it just doesn't work. His Special Attack is just that bad.
 
A Scarfed Giratana with Shadow Force could be extremely useful in a JAA style battle, meaning 2v2 ubers with four Pokemon. With time limits that make it an extremely fast metagame, and the lack of Blissey and other core normal types, I could see it working very well as a way to disrupt other 2v2 strategies.
 
Karrot said:
A Scarfed Giratana with Shadow Force could be extremely useful in a JAA style battle, meaning 2v2 ubers with four Pokemon. With time limits that make it an extremely fast metagame, and the lack of Blissey and other core normal types, I could see it working very well as a way to disrupt other 2v2 strategies.
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How would there be a lack of Blissey? Blissey isn't banned from JAA-style battles and it could be a very helpful support Pokémon.

Let's see how this scenario plays out. On the first turn, our opponent tries to attack Giratina with both Pokémon. This itself is unlikely, considering Giratina is one of the less threatening Pokémon in a Double Battle and takes hits well, but let's say it happens. Giratina is scarfed, so it moves first and evades the attacks. For one thing, this means that once Shadow Force hits on the second turn, your opponents can focus their attacks on Giratina, knowing that it cannot Protect or switch. Assuming your opponent had a Pokémon that would normally outspeed Giratina, they now know that Giratina is scarfed, so they can ignore it on the third turn, safe in the knowledge that it will either have to switch out or use a fast Shadow Force again.

Long story short, you might make one or both of your opponents lose an attack in the first round, but Giratina then effectively loses one out of every two turns until it switches out because of the predictability that Choice Scarf enforces.

If anything, I think I'd be willing to try Power Herb with Shadow Force, just to have a one-time, 120-power, Ghost-type move that ignores Protect and Detect. Even that's a strategy of questionable usefulness, though.
 
now that were on the subject of ubers...

mew @choice scarf
252Atk/252Spd/4Hp -Adamant

u-turn
hypnosis
ice punch
explosion

this is my lead in ubers which actually pisses of almost everyone i ever play. most common leads in ubers are as follows:

Kyogre: mew has three options on kyogre: u turn to blissey/latias to eat up incoming water spout. hypnosis kyogre and laugh as opponent gets their (usually) choice scarf kyogre put to sleep or explode if you really dont like kyogre

Darkrai: too lazy for damage calculators, but a u-turn does over 50% to darkrai. switch out to a sleep talker to absord inevitable dark void. mew could also use hypnosis on darkrai, but u-turn is a better option

Deoxys-f: mew is faster than any deoxys without 493 speed, which im pretty sure no deoxys in the world would carry. u turn is obviously a OHKO

Dialga: dialga leads fear mew because most mews use hypnosis first turn. you could either sleep dialga with hypnosis or predict a switch and use u-turn

Mewtwo: eats a u-turn for over 40% damage. You could also use hypnosis, but u-turns massive amount of damage is appealing.

*mew also outspeeds any rayquaza after one DD and OHKO's with ice punch. Explosion also OHKO's many uber pokemon, excluding ghost, steels, groudon and lugia (OHKOs lugia after SR damage)
 
ultimifier said:
now that were on the subject of ubers...

mew @choice scarf
252Atk/252Spd/4Hp -Adamant

u-turn
hypnosis
ice punch
explosion

this is my lead in ubers which actually pisses of almost everyone i ever play. most common leads in ubers are as follows:

Kyogre: mew has three options on kyogre: u turn to blissey/latias to eat up incoming water spout. hypnosis kyogre and laugh as opponent gets their (usually) choice scarf kyogre put to sleep or explode if you really dont like kyogre

Darkrai: too lazy for damage calculators, but a u-turn does over 50% to darkrai. switch out to a sleep talker to absord inevitable dark void. mew could also use hypnosis on darkrai, but u-turn is a better option

Deoxys-f: mew is faster than any deoxys without 493 speed, which im pretty sure no deoxys in the world would carry. u turn is obviously a OHKO

Dialga: dialga leads fear mew because most mews use hypnosis first turn. you could either sleep dialga with hypnosis or predict a switch and use u-turn

Mewtwo: eats a u-turn for over 40% damage. You could also use hypnosis, but u-turns massive amount of damage is appealing.

*mew also outspeeds any rayquaza after one DD and OHKO's with ice punch. Explosion also OHKO's many uber pokemon, excluding ghost, steels, groudon and lugia (OHKOs lugia after SR damage)
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Sleep Talk Dialga eats him up, so no.
 
TheMaskedNitpicker said:
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This is a fine post, however, I think you are misunderstanding what the "JAA style battle" metagame really is.

Firstly, JAA is "Journey Across America," a competitive Nintendo tournament that happens, if I recall correctly, every other year or something similar. The basic rules are that it is a 2v2 battle with four Pokemon, that includes an 8-minute time limit and 30 seconds in between to choose a move, and is played on the console game such as Pokemon XD or Battle Revolution. This means you are able to view both your team and your opponent, so you will know both teams before the battle. As a random fact, the last JAA saw no Blisseys in the final tournament, even from Smogoners (95% sure on this). Blissey was literally dead weight because the metagame was too fast to make use of Blissey, and Blissey was just set-up fodder for strong, popular strategies.

Basically, if there is a Normal type on the opposing team, there is no chance you will bring in your Scarfed Giratina with Shadow Force unless you have a surefire way to get rid of the normal type.

There is also the fact that in a 2v2 battle, the opponent may not know which Pokemon Giratina is targeting if the opponent's two Pokemon are both likely targets.
 
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