I wish to go to Tokyo (2v2, 4 pokes per team non-shoddy)

Peanut-Lover

So, many of you know about the pokemon competition going on in NYC and LA. Wondering if I could get some help with it, please.

Rules:
~All battles are 4v4 Double battles.
~No Ubers according to Smogon, Dragonite , Tyranitar , Celebi , Jirachi , Deoxys (all forms) , Heatran , Regigigas , Phione .
The Latis actually aren't banned, though Soul Dew is. It should be noted though that it is unlikely I will get a good one.
~No pokemon over level 50. 50 and about 99% to 51 in terms of EXP is fine.
~No hacks. This is a given, but no hacking for IVs or EV training.
~Clauses: Species Clause is in effect. Item, DT/OHKO, SelfKO, etc clauses not.
~Pokemon can be switched out in between matches.

So, I will have 4, but if you don't mind, can you reccomend a few backups?

Choice 1
Uxie @Leftovers?
31/12/31/2/26/11
Calm | 252 Speed
~Stealth Rock
~Calm Mind
~Thunderbolt
~Grass Knot/Psychic
The idea here is that this Uxie has High HP, High defense, and good special defense. Fire off stealth rock. Dark Void screams Switch, where they switch to something and stealth rock deals with them. The attacking stats suck though. The Grass Knot may be enough to dent something, so thats good.

Smeargle @Choice scarf
~Dark Void
~Extremespeed
~Trick
~Wish
You might be thinking "Wtf, you are tricking a choice scarf", when you realise it makes perfect sense - use dark void, then trick it onto the switch in, locking them into an attack if they try to do something like say...nasty plot/swords dance.

Swampert @Leftovers
~Rest
~Sleep talk/Curse
~Waterfall/Ice Beam/Avalanche
~Roar
Dark Void has them asleep, Stealth rock is down. What else? Neutral Priority Roar, of course :D
My choice of sleep talk or curse, and avalanche/waterfall can work well with curse. If going with rest, doesn't really matter waterfall or ice beam

Download Porygon Z @Choice Scarf
Modest
~Thunderbolt
~Ice beam
~TriAttack
~Shadow Ball

Choice 2:
Uxie @Leftovers?
31/12/31/2/26/11
Calm | 252 Speed
~Stealth Rock
~Yawn
~Charge Beam/Thunderbolt
~Grass Knot/Calm Mind/Psychic
The idea here is that this Uxie has High HP, High defense, and good special defense. Fire off stealth rock, yawn like crazy. The attacking stats suck though. The Grass Knot may be enough to dent something, so thats good.
The electric move has me in a bind - If I use charge beam, I can power up and forgo calm mind, but I lose the power. You notice I forgo Electivire - so no electric move actually *needed*
If I go with t-bolt, then I either use an unboosted electric move with Grass Knot / Psychic, or I go for one attacking move and calm mind.
The EVs are left out for the sole reason of unknown moveset. I have decided on max speed, with a good amount of HP and defense, possibly special defense and special attack.

Azelf @Life Orb/Focus sash
HastyNaive | Not caught, so EVs based on IVs. Probably max speed and atk, a little special attack, with HP adjusted if life orb is used
~Explosion / Grass Knot
~Protect
~Psychic
~U-turn
If I use Azelf, the protect can be useful for Surf from Swampert.
To the rest of the moveset - Psychic is for Gengar leads, and is probably the best against Smeargle. Explosion is major powerful, but it affects everything - maybe Grass Knot instead?
U-turn gets me out of weavile, and is mentioned for that reason alone. Its use is limited to that, and I'm thinking of Swampert...
"What about Hera/Houndoom leads?" Psychic takes on Heracross.
Houndoom can't be dealt with aside from water pulse directly, but Uxie can switch out for say...Swampert and then EQ next turn.

Swampert @Leftovers/Lum
Relaxed | Unknown IVs, so unknown EVs.
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Earthquake
~Curse/Rest

Now a mixed Sweeper - help? Chain Chomp? LO MixMence? MixApe?


Choice 3
Uxie
Calm | 76 or 84 HP, the rest in def, spatk, spdef, 252 Speed
~Yawn
~Stealth rock
~Psychic
~Thunderbolt/Grass Knot
Help with the Fourth move - Thunderbolt or Grass Knot?

Swampert
Adamant/Impish Nature, IVs unknown. EVs will be tweaked.
~Waterfall
~Avalanche
~Earthquake
~Curse
I dislike Stone Edge's accuracy - a general rule for me is at least 90% accuracy. I figure that he's slow, he can curse, so he'll go last anyway. Mixed would ave been better, if it didn't affect Uxie as well.

2 spots left, Lots of choices.

~Gengar (T-bolt, Shadow Ball, Energy Ball, Explosion)
~CScarf Hera (Megahorn/Rock Slide/Pursuit, Close Combat, Rock Slide/Sleep Talk, Pursuit/sleep Talk) I don't like Stone Edge

~SD Hera @Wide Lens (Swords Dance, Megahorn, Stone Edge, Close Combat/
~Jolteon lead with Uxie - Charge Beam, HP Ice, Agility, Baton Pass

~LO MixMence? (Draco Meteor, Earthquake, Dragon Claw, Brick Break, Crunch
~MixNape @choice scarf/Life orb/shell bell (Close Combat, Flamethrower/Overheat, Grass Knot, Nasty Plot/U-turn

~Garchomp - Swords Dance, EQ, Fire Fang, Dragon Claw @Salac Berry
~Glaceon - Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, Hidden Power (Fighting/Rock)

~Lucario with Aura Sphere, Dragon Pulse, Shadow ball, Vacuum Wave
~Weavile with Ice Shard, Ice Punch, Pursuit, Swords Dance/Aerial Ace

~Roserade - Energy Ball, Sludge bomb, Extrasensory, Hidden Power/Toxic Spikes
~Lucario @Life Orb - Swords Dance, Extremespeed, Close Combat, Crunch

I am considering the following:
Exploding/Earthquaking Metagross with Gengar.
DrumLax + Extremespeed Smeargle using Follow me and Dark Void.
Togekiss @Leftovers with Air Slash, Aura Sphere, Shadow ball/Nasty plot, Wish/Nasty Plot/Tri Attack (Air Slash is useful STAB, Aura Sphere is good for normals, shadow ball is for ghosts/psychics, tri attack is status.)

Are these good pairs?



I know that this is more than just 4, but I'm asking opinions on the pairing. Remember, it is possible to switch out, and is actually reccomended, in case someone tells your team.

<Peanut-Lover> are there any mods for RMT available to speak with right now?
<+Mekkah> i moderate rmt
<+Mekkah> kind of
<Peanut-Lover> lol, I have a question regarding legalities of posting my RMT
<Peanut-Lover> you know the competition in NY/LA, right?
<Peanut-Lover> 2v2, 4 pokemon per team, can switch out between battles
<Peanut-Lover> can I post like 12 pokemon, because I can switch out?
<+Mekkah> um yeah as long as you create an initial line-up of four and then list your subs that's fine
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I'm not really that experienced in doubles, but Lightning Rod Rhyperior is a good pairing with Gyarados. Most people expect Solid Rock, and waste a turn using Thunderbolt or something. (Discharge kind of ruins it)

Metagross with EQ and Explosion pairs well with Gengar too.

Weather teams are usually good, too.

One idea I have that might kind of be a novelty: Have Snorlax use belly drum, while Smeargle uses follow me. Then have Smeargle use Extremespeed, and then Snorlax use Mimic to learn it. Then Snorlax has plus 6 attack and outspeeds everything with Extremespeed. Not bad, but Snorlax will have trouble staying alive after a belly drum, so curse can also work.

Last idea: Have a Pokemon use Safeguard, then next turn keep using Swagger against its partner.

Good luck.
 
Maybe you can have a pokemon with water absorb and a pokemon with surf. this will heal your partner and attack the foe. Also, you can have clefable use follow me and a shuckle use power swap which will help a lot. another idea that i used on my team is having a ninjask that can baton pass to a marowak on a predicted electric attack. I've swept whole teams with it. My last idea is to use thunder bolt on your electivire raising its speed allowing it to sweep effectively.
 
I was considering JaskWak, but the ice and grass weknesses put me off.
Also considering using Lapras/Vaporeon, but Swampert is a MUST for me. They also don't do much else.

I don't know why I didn't think of Uxie using T-bolt on Electivire - good idea.
Maybe then have Uxie have max speed, and have electivre just under it.

Electivires EVs/Nature:
Adamant, 88 HP, 252 atk, 168 Speed
Giving me 268 speed.

Uxie
Calm | 252 speed, unknown HP/SpAtk/Def/SpDef
~Thunderbolt/Charge beam
~Stealth Rock
~Yawn
~Psychic/Calm Mind
Is Charge Beam better because of the possible paralysis from t-bolt interfering with Yawn?



I don't like the Shuckle idea - sorry.
I'll consider Exploding Metagross, good point.
Not feeling the Rhyperior + Gyara - for one, I need a powerful special sweeper (you'll notice most of the pairs have either mixed or special sweeprs), and neither Gyara nor Rhyperior fit the bill.
I'll look into Snorlax - not too crazy, but it is worth considering.
 
If you want to raise Electivire's speed, Discharge is the superior move, as it hits the opponent, and the partner. But since Uxie can't learn it, you could use T-bolt, or find a Discharge user. No Pokemon really has the time to use up a turn, and hit its partner.
 
Uxie cant have any Evs, seeing as you need to be lvl 50 and you catch Uxie at lvl 50. I cant think of a good replacement though.
 
I was thinking about skill swap and slaking. Maybe you can try that. Slaking has great all around base stats so I would suggest trying it. Also, maybe you can get skill swap and swap abilities with shedinja.
 
Using Charge Beam on Electivire, though, can give me a boost.

Skill swapping umm, no. Shedinja can't be skill swapped, unless you trace the ability, and then swap it. Slaking is lol.

And yes, I plan on killing little bidoofs/starlys/whatever And, with the power items, it shouldn't be too hard. I have virtually unlimited money for vitamins.
 
$uper$imon said:
Uxie cant have any Evs, seeing as you need to be lvl 50 and you catch Uxie at lvl 50. I cant think of a good replacement though.
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EV training is possible, simply don't receive enough experience to reach level 51 and you will be fine.

I was thinking about skill swap and slaking. Maybe you can try that. Slaking has great all around base stats so I would suggest trying it. Also, maybe you can get skill swap and swap abilities with shedinja.
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Wonderguard cannot be Skill Swapped.
 
I've already bought up 10 carbos for Uxie. Just 152 Speed, which is gotten by 32 Starly (30 with the power item, 2 without)

And I'm still waiting on the rest of the Uxie EV spread, the alternate Uxie, and the pairs.
 
I'd probably U-turn my way out of it if were to run into Weavile or Hera's Pursuit [I'm referring to your Uxie btw.] I think you got most of your worries covered, just beware of Taunt lol.
 
Uturn from a 100 EV Level 50 Jirachi vs. Min/Min Level 50 weavile - 28%
T-bolt from a Jirachi with 80SpAtk against a min/min gyara - 50%
Charge Beam from a Jirachi with 80SpAtk against min/min gyara - 30%

U-turn wouldn't do more than get me out of sticky situations - but is that enough?

Help?


Btw, help with Uxie's HP - 76 EVs gets me 160 at Level 50. 84 gets me 161 - leftovers + 1 - can I get away without those extra 8 points.


76-84 HP / 100 Atk / 72-80 SpDef / 252 Speed
 
2 slow leads is a bad idea, Smeargle outruns both and can dark void while their other pokemon can set up a sweep. You need An azelf lead ( it can not learn Yawn )

Azelf @ Focus Sash
Timid
- Protect
- Explosion
- Psycich
- Hidden Power ( ice / fighting )

Protect is a really vital move when deciding the outcome of a double battle. Explosion really hurts your whole team also, so protect is a good choice. Lum berry would be good on your slower things as they try putting you to sleep as you kill their sweeper or just hurt it.
 
So, Azelf + Uxie and Swampert + Something?

Its just that its absoluely necessary for swampert for me anyway.

Azelf @Focus Sash/Life Orb
Hasty | 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252Speed
~Protect
~Explosion
~Psychic
~U-turn

Cruddy Physical Pool, but U-turn KOs Weavile.
Psychic is for Gengar and Smeargle

And have Uxie with Stealth Rock, Yawn, T-bolt, Grass Knot?


Then have Togekiss + Swampert, forgoing Electivire?
 
Unless I missed something, there isn't a sleep clause, so if you want to win, you should use something like this:

Smeargle@Choice Scarf
252 spd 252 atc 4 hp Jolly
dark void
trick
filler
filler

It's cheap, but hey, it works.
 
Dark Void team (yes?)

Uxie @Leftovers?
31/12/31/2/26/11
Calm | 252 Speed
~Stealth Rock
~Calm Mind
~Thunderbolt
~Grass Knot/Psychic
The idea here is that this Uxie has High HP, High defense, and good special defense. Fire off stealth rock. Dark Void screams Switch, where they switch to something and stealth rock deals with them. The attacking stats suck though. The Grass Knot may be enough to dent something, so thats good.

Smeargle @Choice scarf
~Dark Void
~Extremespeed
~Trick
~Wish
You might be thinking "Wtf, you are tricking a choice scarf", when you realise it makes perfect sense - use dark void, then trick it onto the switch in, locking them into an attack if they try to do something like say...nasty plot/swords dance. It'll probably be Jolly 252.

Swampert @Leftovers
~Rest
~Sleep talk/Curse
~Waterfall/Ice Beam/Avalanche
~Roar
Dark Void has them asleep, Stealth rock is down. What else? Neutral Priority Roar, of course :D
My choice of sleep talk or curse, and avalanche/waterfall can work well with curse. If going with rest, doesn't really matter waterfall or ice beam

Download Porygon Z @Choice Scarf
Modest
~Thunderbolt
~Ice beam
~TriAttack
~Shadow Ball
Powerful and fast special sweeper
 
Can't believe my first on Smogon is an attempt at aiding a potential enemy in a tournament..
Anyway you said something about Dark Void Smeargle..
Peanut-Lover said:
Smeargle @Choice scarf
~Dark Void
~Extremespeed
~Trick
~Wish
You might be thinking "Wtf, you are tricking a choice scarf", when you realise it makes perfect sense - use dark void, then trick it onto the switch in, locking them into an attack if they try to do something like say...nasty plot/swords dance. It'll probably be Jolly 252.
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When you think about it... you can't use Trick after Dark Void... just cause Choice Scarf forces you to use Dark Void again... and I'm not sure how helpful Wish would be as you don't really want to switch out too much. I don't think Stealth Rocks would deal with what ever your enemy switches in after Dark Void cause in 4v4 there aren't enough Pokemon to switch around to, though the Stealth Rock damage is somewhat useful
 
birabel is win said:
Unless I missed something, there isn't a sleep clause, so if you want to win, you should use something like this:

Smeargle@Choice Scarf
252 spd 252 atc 4 hp Jolly
dark void
trick
filler
filler

It's cheap, but hey, it works.
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It actually will not work, because you could have something like bronzong with lum berry OHKO you with gyro ball first turn as azelf uses protect, its way to weak to abuse sleep clause, Bronzong is much better to abuse sleep clause.
 
It actually will not work, because you could have something like bronzong with lum berry OHKO you with gyro ball first turn as azelf uses protect, its way to weak to abuse sleep clause, Bronzong is much better to abuse sleep clause.
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??? So why not then lead with something like Infernape and Dark Void Scarf Smeargle? If I am looking at this right then he has both of those and should be able to ohko any bronzong with fire blast anyway as he sleeps them with smeargle. Azelf would just be asleep the next turn. I dont see how bronzong is better to abuse sleep clause either as most teams will probably run 2 scarf sleepers to start the game, then two strong sweepers to close the game. Unless Im missing something he should be fine.
 
I dont see how bronzong is better to abuse sleep clause either as most teams will probably run 2 scarf sleepers to start the game, then two strong sweepers to close the game. Unless Im missing something he should be fine.
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yeah.. you missed the part about the Item Clause
It actually will not work, because you could have something like bronzong with lum berry OHKO you with gyro ball first turn as azelf uses protect, its way to weak to abuse sleep clause, Bronzong is much better to abuse sleep clause.
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well that's basically what Focus Sash is for...(though yeah i can see cause he's using Scarf)though of course Azelf can KO next turn, of course unless Smeargle's teammate is a Fake Out Weavile...
You should give Smeargle a partner who can support him, like with Fake Out...
 
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