one more time, the WIFI team without Garchomp or Blissey

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Lightsabre

Ok. Thank you for the advice everyone. I have decided to change many parts of my team, but I can't just snap my fingers and have them done. This is a WIFI team so I'll post the pokemon I'm making in red and in the meen-time I'll leave the others where there at. So...


Forretress @ Occa Berry
Hardy
252HP/ 252DEF/ 4SPDEF
Sturdy

Gyro Ball
Toxic Spikes
Stealth Rock
Rapid Spin

I've got mixed feelings about leading with him, if he does his job then I have all opponents badly poisned(except for flying enemies of course) and stealth rocked. But he's way slow, hence Gyro Ball, and almost everything outspeeds him making him fairly easy so take out if you have a fire type move. That being the reason for...
Gengar @ Wide Lens
Modest
252SPATK/ 252SPEED/ 4HP
Levitate

Shadow Ball
Hypnosis
Focus Blast
Thunderbolt

Well I don't know much about him as I haven't used him yet but it sounds fairly simple. Hypnosis if I don't like the opponent and then sweep. I'm wary about blissey so does anyone have different suggestions? I haven't started on him so I can still change it.
Heatran @ Wide Lens
Quiet
252SPATK/252DEF/4HP
Flash Fire

Magma Storm
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse
Flash Cannon
OK you might be wondering why he still has Magma Storm and Why I havn't changed his EV spread. Well I need a new one to retrain(anyone want a trade?) and as for Magma Storm, since I don't plan on making this particular one a scarf an it's just for fun I'll keep Magma Storm. The One I'm acctualy going to use on my team will be somthing like this.

Heatran @ Choice Scarf (lead?)
Modest
252SPATK/ 20HP/ 236SPEED

Fire Blast
Dragon Pulse
Earth Power
Flash Cannon/HP Ice
Besides being forry's back up fire absorber Heatran's a great Special attacker. The Def EVs make his deffence acceptable and counter the nature(I didn't care about the nature when I caught him). I like Magma storm because if the oppoenont doesn't switch(or die) then the opponent is traped. His weak point is obviosly his 4x weakness so to counter it I have....

Dragonite @ Choice Specs
Modest
252SPATK/ 252SPEED/ 4 HP
Inner Focus

Draco Meteor
Dragon Pulse
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt

A fantastic Special sweeper and one of my favorite Pokemon. Meteor is there for raw power and earlie on in the game when I just need to pound something to peices. BoltBeam has great coverage and Pulse is there for later in the game when I want to keep him in but use STAB. Kind of like SpecsMence except it has better coverage. The Ice weakness is covered by Heatran but Electrivire has both of those attacks, Hey Electrivre!!
He's staying as is
Electrivire @ Expert belt
Naughty
252ATK/ 252SPEED/ 4 DEF
Motor Drive

Thunder Punch
Ice Punch
Earthquake
Cross Chop

13 types take super affective dammage from this guy and the only type out of those that I'm a little woried about is Ghosts. This guy is wicked sweet and alost alays gets a KO if only one. But he isn't a sure fire counter to himself so I have...
please don't tell me to remove him:)

Ryperior @ Leftovers
Impish
252HP/ 100DEF/ 156ATK

Earthquake
Stone Edge
Mega Horn
Substitute/Avalanche

The newest addition to my team nad a solid one as well. The main Phisical wall on my team and no slouch at offence either. Even Water and Grass type attacks have to be extrermly powerfull to pull an OHKO. This guy has pulled complete sweeps once the opponents special attackers were gone. The only thing that's wrong with him is he has no recovery move barring Rest, that makes him a poor long term surviver and if he can't KO his opponent then he'll have some trouble making a mark. Still a great addition to Pokemon and my team.
Still a great poke but I'm switching him for the following pokemon

Gliscor @ leftovers
Impish
252 DEF/ 4ATK/ 252HP
???????????
Earthquake
Roost
Stealth Rock
Aerial Ace

I choose Aerial Ace over Icefang because I'm not lacking a ice type move and I am lacking a good counter to Heracross which my brother(who is almost always my opponent) uses frequently. I'm glad someone has sugested another SRer but I need another SR tm (my stupid forry is female) so would the person who trades me Heatran also trade me SR? I don't know what nature I should choose since I'm not going to use sandstorm(and my brother doesn't either) but he doesn't use an intimidater either so I don't know.

Milotic @ Leftovers
Bold
252HP/ 252DEF/ 4SPDEF

Ice Beam
Surf
Aqua Ring
Recover

I realy need to retrain this guy as he's my main special wall. When I trained him the way I played was "if it can't do damage it's worthless" so I EVd it to do just that. However this guy is quite good at what he does and even grabs Electrivire a Motor drive boost every once in a while. With Aqua ring +Leftovers I recover more HP than I lose while Burned, so I try to switch in on Will-O-Wisp or even Thunder Wave.
Havn't retrained it yet but I'm going to soon:)

So that's it. I havn't used it much except against my brothers whom I whoop easily, and my friend who's biggest threat is his Absol which holds Super Scopeand uses Night Slash so it get's common crits. the only other threat I've seen was a Swords Dance jolly Tentacruel. Please RMT

OK I've made some changes but I think it could be made better so please RM(new)T
 
Idno using Forrey as lead as well, he can get easily raped because he is so slow by taunt, or hypnosis, and allow other leads to set up on you. I would actually consider using Heatran as your lead. Drop Wide Lens, and Magma Storm, throw a scarf on it, and watch it do tons of damage right off the bat. The reason for dropping Magma Storm, is that with 70% accuracy, its not gonna help if you miss with it, particularly since tran is an offensive poke. I know you added the lens, but its only benefiting magma storm, seeming almost like a waste of a slot there. Having said that, maybe drop sr on forrey, and put explosion there instead, in case a poke is giving you trouble. Then put sr on your Rhyperior. You say he's your physical wall, but you're using him for sweeping? Use it for one role, not both. Having said that, try this spread:

Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 6 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature

-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Megahorn/Avalanche
-SR/Roar/Sub

The fourth move depends on what you need more, rocks, or a phazer, and potential of spreading the ts that your forrey set up.

On the topic of your Nite, Idno, Salamence does the better job with better SpAtk and Spd. You say he has goodcoverage, but Electivire is there to give great coverage as well. Plus, it's not like SpecsMence coverage is BAD. Take a look at the analysis for a set on SpecsMence.

Onto your Milotic, again, you're trying to do too much with it. If its a special wall, why the SpAtk EVs? Milotic should always be Bold (because it already has fantastic SpDef) unless your running RestTalk. Again, the analysis page has many standard spreads and movesets for you to check out.
 
I know I need to redo Milotic. I forgot to mention about my Heatran that it has 2 Speed Ivs, I tried running Choice Scarf and it was still outran most things so I used this. Also it used to have Stone Edge but I switchd it for Dragon Pulse for more power. I realy don't like the Idea of exploding my only Rapid Spinner. I realy meant Ryperior to be a sweeper though he turned out to be my best wall, the problem with trying to change him is that you only get one Protector and he's LV100 so I can't change the EV spread. Still I'll think of changing the moves
 
Well, the thing I would suggest is to look at the analysis for EV spreads. There's absolutely no point running 2 Spd EVs and Scarf! The spread should be 20 HP / 252 SpA / 236 Spe for ScarfTran, with a Modest Nature. Whats all those Def EVs for? Maxing out Def on Tran is useless, as Earthquake by anyone of the powerful users in DP will OHKO it. Also, Explosion is not there for just any use, obv as last resort. Rapid Spinning is also not something you should be terribly worried about, as only Dragonite is weak to Rock. Building on what I said before, I would maybe try a RestTalk Milotic, as it would give you a handy way of absorbing status, something your team is lacking.
 
I can't re EV Heatran unfortunatly. I see your point about the scarf now(though I said IVs, not EVs). I see what you mean about Rapid spin but with Choice Specs forcing me to switch alot they still rack up dammage. I've been thinking about a ResTalk Milotic and will make one soon. Def on Heatran Has saved me several times, I've survived a Gyrados Earthquake so I'm happy with that, however I'll try to trade another Heatran and train it to be a scarftran. Thanks
 
I do not agree with sending in Heatran if you got a counter to Forretress up.

They're both steel.

Lets say I lead with Infernape. You lead with Forrettress.
You go "he's gonna use Flare Blitz" and bring out Heatran.
I shrug and use Close Combat.

Just my two cents.
 
I've actualy never seen a infernape lead and others normaly don't carry focus sash so I could send in Dnite and meteor them to death. But I can see that, how would you counter it?
 
Actually, Infernape with Focus Sash is becoming increasingly popular, as its designed to take on Suicide leads. But of course, this is for Wifi, so thats less common probably.
 
Lightsabre said:
I've actualy never seen a infernape lead and others normaly don't carry focus sash so I could send in Dnite and meteor them to death. But I can see that, how would you counter it?
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The thing I tend to do is to minimze my weakness is by having ZERO duplicate types.

You said yourself that you have mixed feelings leading with Forrettress. And he's slow. And he shares the steel type with Heatran. Try to find someone else that has the same type of role but not a dual weakness with the rest of your team?

I like the strategy you have with him, but if it doesnt work, why use it?

Also...why are you afraid of Tentacruel? Can't Electrivire just get a mild tickle and thunderpunch him down?
 
Do you think that I should use the suicide Azelf? I realy want to keep rapid spin on the team but there isn't any poke that learns them both but doesn't share a weakness with the rest of my team. As to your question about Tentacruel


I send out Forretress
opponent sends out Tentacruel

Forretress uses Stealth Rock
Tentacruel uses Substitute

I switch to Electrivire
Tentecruel uses Swords Dance

Tentacruel uses Waterfall
Electrivire faints


That's why I'm scared of it and also why I started doubting my lead.
 
Lightsabre said:
I'm kind of new and I was wondering what people thought of my team so


Forretress @ Occa Berry
Hardy
252HP/ 252DEF/ 4SPDEF
Sturdy

Gyro Ball
Toxic Spikes
Stealth Rock
Rapid Spin

I've got mixed feelings about leading with him, if he does his job then I have all opponents badly poisned(except for flying enemies of course) and stealth rocked. But he's way slow, hence Gyro Ball, and almost everything outspeeds him making him fairly easy so take out if you have a fire type move. That being the reason for...

Most people expect the Forretress/Heatran Combo so now they mostly just Taunt the forre and set up a little until it cannot be stopped. There is a Rare occasion in which you may get down your spikes or get blasted by a fire attack allowing you to switch to tran but it'll be rare. May I suggest Gengar? He's still one of the most quality Leaders. if you don't want him Roserade is good. I understand the trouble you might have being an actual Wifi team so I won't put complicated Hidden Powers.

Gengar @ Wide Lens
Modest
252 Sp Atk 252 Spe 6 HP
Levitate
-Hypnosis
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast
-Thunder Bolt

Sleep and sweep pretty simple

Roserade @ Focus Sash
Timid
252 Spe 252 Sp Atk 6 HP
Natural Cure
-Sleep Powder
-Toxic Spikes
-Leaf Storm
-Sludge Bomb

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Quiet
252SPATK/252DEF/4HP
Flash Fire

Fire Blast
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse
Flash Cannon

Besides being forry's back up fire absorber Heatran's a great Special attacker. The Def EVs make his deffence acceptable and counter the nature(I didn't care about the nature when I caught him). I like Magma storm because if the oppoenont doesn't switch(or die) then the opponent is traped. His weak point is obviosly his 4x weakness so to counter it I have....

Nonononono BAD! You can keep flash as you cannot get Hidden Power [ICE] but Magma Storm? No Fire Blast is the better choice. You may not use Choice Scarf but it would help a lot considering you have a pretty slow team.
Dragonite @ Choice Specs
Modest
252SPATK/ 252SPEED/ 4 HP
Inner Focus

Draco Meteor
Dragon Pulse
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt

A fantastic Special sweeper and one of my favorite Pokemon. Meteor is there for raw power and earlie on in the game when I just need to pound something to peices. BoltBeam has great coverage and Pulse is there for later in the game when I want to keep him in but use STAB. Kind of like SpecsMence except it has better coverage. The Ice weakness is covered by Heatran but Electrivire has both of those attacks, Hey Electrivre!!

It looks like a pretty good set to me. Doesn't fear Togekiss which is always good and it does have a more diverse movepool than Salamence.

Electrivire @ Expert belt
Naughty
252ATK/ 252SPEED/ 4 DEF
Motor Drive

Thunder Punch
Ice Punch
Earthquake
Cross Chop

13 types take super affective dammage from this guy and the only type out of those that I'm a little woried about is Ghosts. This guy is wicked sweet and alost alays gets a KO if only one. But he isn't a sure fire counter to himself so I have...

Get rid of electivire please. Add in something better that can take an electric attack. That being T-Tar probably.

BOAH T-Tar is an excellent pokemon that your team could use. Or you MAY give it choice band. seeing as you have two choice users already i won't mention that. DD-Tar seems like it would also work as well.

I'll give the sets any way.

BOAH:
T-tar @ Leftovers
Quiet nature
 252 HP / 64 Atk / 168 SpA / 24 Spe
Sandstream
-Focus Punch
-Substitute
-Ice Beam
-Thunder Bolt

DD-Tar:
T-Tar @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Adamant Or Jolly Nature
252 Atk 252 Spe 6 HP
-Dragon Dance
-Crunch
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
Ryperior @ Leftovers
Impish
252HP/ 100DEF/ 156ATK

Earthquake
Stone Edge
Mega Horn
Substitute/Avalanche

The newest addition to my team nad a solid one as well. The main Phisical wall on my team and no slouch at offence either. Even Water and Grass type attacks have to be extrermly powerfull to pull an OHKO. This guy has pulled complete sweeps once the opponents special attackers were gone. The only thing that's wrong with him is he has no recovery move barring Rest, that makes him a poor long term surviver and if he can't KO his opponent then he'll have some trouble making a mark. Still a great addition to Pokemon and my team.

I would love to suggest Gliscor here as he is a better wall than Rhyperior would ever hope to be. Not fearing Close Combat or many common physical moves. being stone edge, earthquake, cloce combat, night slash, psycho cut. Unlike Rhyperior fearing Close Combat AND Earthquake I'd go with Gliscor

Gliscor @ Leftovers/Yache Berry
Impish Nature
 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Sand Veil
-Roost
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang/Aerial Ace
Milotic @ Leftovers
Modest
252HP/ 252SPATK/ 4SPDEF

Ice Beam
Surf
Aqua Ring
Recover

I realy need to retrain this guy as he's my main special wall. When I trained him the way I played was "if it can't do damage it's worthless" so I EVd it to do just that. However this guy is quite good at what he does and even grabs Electrivire a Motor drive boost every once in a while. With Aqua ring +Leftovers I recover more HP than I lose while Burned, so I try to switch in on Will-O-Wisp or even Thunder Wave.

Yeah, just retrain it. Then it'd be fine


So that's it. I havn't used it much except against my brothers whom I whoop easily, and my friend who's biggest threat is his Absol which holds Super Scopeand uses Night Slash so it get's common crits. the only other threat I've seen was a Swords Dance jolly Tentacruel. Please RMT
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I'm thinking of TTar but not on this team ESPECIALY not replacing Electrivire, I love this guy and he can take more pokes then TTar could.
I think I'll try Gliscor and I'll definitly retrain Milotic. I don't see why everybody hates Magma Storm, it has the same accuracy as Hypnosis and I think it's better then Fire Blast for it's trapping abilities. I like the Gengar idea and I'll train one soon. I can't use ScarfTran(see earlier post) so I like him how he is. otherwise thanks
 
Bump. I've added the new pokemon though I havn't made them yet so please tell what it look like. No offence for the last post Gen. Empoleon, I just realy like Elektrivire and it works realy well.
 
I was thinking about that and I was wondering, if I got my hands on another Scarf would it be wise to give it to Gengar? and make him a revenge killer?
 
Lightsabre said:
I was thinking about that and I was wondering, if I got my hands on another Scarf would it be wise to give it to Gengar? and make him a revenge killer?
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Well, assuming Item Clause isn't in effect, then yes, give it to Gengar, and if it isn't already, make it Timid. That way, Deoxys-Speed can't completely run through your team.
 
I don't battle with item clause and the only problem would be getting my hands on another. I don't usualy see Deoxys in WIFI as it's decently rare(my friends couldn't make the game stop event) but my brother has one so this will make a better counter. thanks
 
As requested. Try to stop the original post from getting so cluttered in future. It makes it very difficult to rate when it looks as though there's nine Pokemon!
 
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