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woah, 165 SPA? Holy Sh*t!
Ok, even if we think about the pokemon having only a base 70 STAB attack (Power Gem), this is still overboard. Look at Rampardos, its Earthquake does ridiculous amounts of damage, and its power is less than that of a STAB Power Gem (100 base power vs. 105 base power).
 
Personally, I would go for 135 Special Attack and 115-125 Speed.

My point was just to agree with the man's reasoning, not so much his exact numbers. His ratio, if you will.

With, say...

90-100 HP
50 Att
50-70 Def
135 SpA
70-85 SpD
110-125 Spe

...how are we looking at something rediculous at all, when the strongest move it can muster, FOR SURE AT THIS POINT, is STAB Power Gem? Even if it does get some higher base power moves later on, 135 special attack is hardly broken! Alakazam and Porygon-Z both are able to wield this level of power, and both hover around BL to low-OU status from month to month.

Alakazam just can't muscle through the metagame. Its best STAB is 90 BP, but it is beyond frail and hard to switch in. Porygon-Z can boost it's power to rediculous levels, but has a low speed. What I desire is something closer to Alakazam.

What a lot of you seem to be favoring is something with the offensive punch of, say, Jolteon. The problem with this is that if you didn't allow Jolteon to carry Thunderbolt and restricted it to only HP Electric, it wouldn't be doing much offensively, would it? THAT'S what I'm talking about. Why would you use this thing as an offensive Pokemon if it poses no serious offensive threat? Are we intending to make this a fast, mostly frail support pokemon?



...now then. If you guys are all hunky-dory with creating a special rock-type move that's got some more kick to it after the stat spread is chosen, then my point isn't all that important, is it? However, no one's been too keen on such a thing as of yet, have they? Why should I count on it, when Power Gem is available (and limiting)?
 
ANinyMouse said:
Personally, I would go for 135 Special Attack and 115-125 Speed.

My point was just to agree with the man's reasoning, not so much his exact numbers. His ratio, if you will.

With, say...

90-100 HP
50 Att
50-70 Def
135 SpA
70-85 SpD
110-125 Spe

...how are we looking at something rediculous at all, when the strongest move it can muster, FOR SURE AT THIS POINT, is STAB Power Gem? Even if it does get some higher base power moves later on, 135 special attack is hardly broken! Alakazam and Porygon-Z both are able to wield this level of power, and both hover around BL to low-OU status from month to month.

Alakazam just can't muscle through the metagame. Its best STAB is 90 BP, but it is beyond frail and hard to switch in. Porygon-Z can boost it's power to rediculous levels, but has a low speed. What I desire is something closer to Alakazam.

What a lot of you seem to be favoring is something with the offensive punch of, say, Jolteon. The problem with this is that if you didn't allow Jolteon to carry Thunderbolt and restricted it to only HP Electric, it wouldn't be doing much offensively, would it? THAT'S what I'm talking about. Why would you use this thing as an offensive Pokemon if it poses no serious offensive threat? Are we intending to make this a fast, mostly frail support pokemon?



...now then. If you guys are all hunky-dory with creating a special rock-type move that's got some more kick to it after the stat spread is chosen, then my point isn't all that important, is it? However, no one's been too keen on such a thing as of yet, have they? Why should I count on it, when Power Gem is available (and limiting)?
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I've been assuming Weather Ball Rock for quite a while now and no one has yet informed me how broken Weather Ball is, so I'm going to assume for the server's sake that no one particularly cares if this theoretically gets access to a 100 BP Fire(+Boost), Ice, or Water(+Boost) move depending on weather.

Actually, this wouldn't be bad with Weather Ball in a Hail team because it could nuke some things with rock moves that other pokemon can't. or whatever. Either way, I'm assuming Weather Ball for our special sweeper isn't outlandish If we want to make another rock Special move, I'm cool with that, too.

I think X-Act had a post a while back about which attacks were most effective. Special Rock was pretty high up there IIRC. I've got no problem loading this with whatever special attacks would be appropriate to make this competitive. I wouldn't fret over Weak STAB, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
 
Well I'll be damned. I forgot about Weather Ball. Though, it's not what one could call reliable, is it? You'd either have to carry a Sand Stream pokemon in your team to even consider it as your main damage-dealing move, or else you may as well use another STAB attack and reserve Weather Ball in moveslot 3 or 4, if you catch my drift.

In any case, I've posted my desired stat range at this point.

We'll see once the poll comes up.
 
HP: .................72
Attack: ............52
Defense: ..........81
Sp.Attack: ......114
Sp.Defense: .....87
Speed: ...........128
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BST: ..............534

Reason: 128 Speed is to annoy the upcoming Sky-Shaymin. Relatively high Special attack to fits its "Break the Mold" concept. Low attack is also part of fitting into "Break the Mold", as well as relatively low defense (for a normal Rock type). HP is moderate, and the BST is normal for an OU Pokemon. It is very similar to a Jolteon, but both SPEED and SPECIAL ATTACK are slightly lower.

Since we're breaking the mold, why not let the stats break the mold too? By that means some weird number (doesn't end in 5 or 0, but still very viable). BST is 534, same as Charizard/Infernape. Due to the odd stats, it's going to be quite different when it comes down to EVing.
 
ANinyMouse said:
Personally, I would go for 135 Special Attack and 115-125 Speed.

My point was just to agree with the man's reasoning, not so much his exact numbers. His ratio, if you will.

With, say...

90-100 HP
50 Att
50-70 Def
135 SpA
70-85 SpD
110-125 Spe

...how are we looking at something rediculous at all, when the strongest move it can muster, FOR SURE AT THIS POINT, is STAB Power Gem? Even if it does get some higher base power moves later on, 135 special attack is hardly broken! Alakazam and Porygon-Z both are able to wield this level of power, and both hover around BL to low-OU status from month to month.

Alakazam just can't muscle through the metagame. Its best STAB is 90 BP, but it is beyond frail and hard to switch in. Porygon-Z can boost it's power to rediculous levels, but has a low speed. What I desire is something closer to Alakazam.

What a lot of you seem to be favoring is something with the offensive punch of, say, Jolteon. The problem with this is that if you didn't allow Jolteon to carry Thunderbolt and restricted it to only HP Electric, it wouldn't be doing much offensively, would it? THAT'S what I'm talking about. Why would you use this thing as an offensive Pokemon if it poses no serious offensive threat? Are we intending to make this a fast, mostly frail support pokemon?



...now then. If you guys are all hunky-dory with creating a special rock-type move that's got some more kick to it after the stat spread is chosen, then my point isn't all that important, is it? However, no one's been too keen on such a thing as of yet, have they? Why should I count on it, when Power Gem is available (and limiting)?
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Most likely, we're going to give this thing Technician or something, making the low BP of the moves not matter too much.
 
Hp: 70
Atk: 44
Def: 46
SpA: 140
SpD: 100
Spe: 116
Total: 516

Basically, rather fast sweeper, but not to the point of making it too good at its job. Main stat is its very high special attack, but also incredibly low other stats, including HP. However, under sandstorm, it's ability to be a special wall increase quite well, though physical defense is the primary weakness. Somewhat similar idea to Mismagius's spread.
 
My revised BST spread: (even though there weren't amy comments about it :( )

89HP/56ATK/62DEF/140SAT/73SDF/130SPE

550 TOTAL BST

140SAT:

Remains unchanged as Rockmon needs all the power he can get without being broken. Seriously. Power Gem's not the best STAB attack in the world (as it's slightly underpowered) and Weather Ball's unreliable. Why? 'Cause it needs Sandstorm active to actually get the STAB bonus, and then once the enemy clears the Sandstorm, you've lost it again.

130SPE:

OK, I've upped the Speed a bit as I've seen too many spreads with 120+ Speed. Now it matches Aerodactyl at the moment. I would've toned it down to 127 to match The Flying Shaymin, but then it goes into the Fantastic line (via me putting them on something else cause I like 550BST), and I didn't want to do that yet. Now I'm hoping it isn't overly broken *ducks and covers*

56ATK:

Well, I suppose I better hack off stats somewhere... Attack was the first thing I though of, as wasn't going to damage Blissey with the attack stat it had anyway (unless it exploded, or MAYBE if it went for a Head Smash), so now I have to find 2 more stats points to cut off

89HP/62DEF/73SDF

This was the tricky bit. Rockmon needed more special defence than I gave it (not for survival, but to catch up with other submissions). And then I upgraded its health slightly, just cause I could, and then reduced defense so then all three stats netted the 2 stats points I was supposed to subtract in the first place. OK, maybe I upgraded its bulk a bit (overall anyway), but I still haven't tried to make Garchomp out of it...

Phy Sweep: -1 (91)
Phy Tank: 0 (92)
Spc Sweep: 9 (233)
Spc Tank: 0 (105)
Extreme Bias to Offense (44.1)
Extreme Bias to Special (-59.1)
Overall Rating: Excellent (579) <-- VERGING ON FANTASTIC!!
 
The only reason I posted my stat spread here is to show to everyone that a Pokemon with huge SpA and Spe can also be balanced, rather than offensive.

Of course, it'll probably be in vain since people seem to want an offensive, rather than balanced Pokemon.

And ANinyMouse, what I did is different from most other submissions. Most submissions have awesome SpA and Spe, and average to low everything else. Mine has very good HP, SpA, SpD and Spe, and low Atk and Def. It's a very different stat spread from most others, if anything because it only has an ODB of 7.7, while most of the others have an ODB of at least 20.
 
ok, i don't have any calculators or anything, but here's my go at a stat spread.

something around:
75 HP
45 Atk
55 Def
120 SpA
85 SpD
130 Spe
510 Total

just my 2 cents.
 
Eh, X-Act, I'm trying to make mine a bit more balanced while maintaining that 140 Base Speed.
Right now mine sits at about 20ish merely for that stat alone.
I don't want to make it overly bulky, so I guess mine's stuck at where it is right now.
I really think CAP5 shouldn't be the "OU Attack Deoxys" but it seems like it's going that way.
 
once the enemy clears the Sandstorm, you've lost it again.
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Who clears Sandstorm? Weather teams? Shedinja users? How common are they?

I'm fine with Weather Ball but Technician would be great too for Ancientpower abuse.

EDIT: My two cents:

80 HP/60 Attk/70 Def/120 SAttk/70 SDef/140 Spd -- 540 total

The HP/Def/SDef give it some hit taking potential, and the Spd and SAttk is great for sweeping. The defensive stats, combined with the Spd, give it the potential for some SR setup and possibly a Cosmic Power set, so it isn't limited to just special sweeping.

This is only an entry if you guys really like it.
 
OK, I've been looking at some of these submissions and have come up with something. Let me know what you think.

HP 100
Atk 60
Def 55
SpAtk 110
SpDef 85
Spd 130
BST 540

This spread has higher HP than a normal Rock type, along with higher SpAtk, SpDef and Spd. It is also more balanced than a lot of the other submissions, with slightly lower SpAtk and higher defences.

Physical Sweepiness: 0 Average
Physical Tankiness: -1 Below Average
Special Sweepiness: 6 Amazing
Special Tankiness: 2 Moderately Good

ODB: 18.6 Moderate Bias to Offence
PSB: -52.5 Extreme Bias to Special

Overall Rating: 362 Very Good

Feedback?
 
X-Act said:
The only reason I posted my stat spread here is to show to everyone that a Pokemon with huge SpA and Spe can also be balanced, rather than offensive.

Of course, it'll probably be in vain since people seem to want an offensive, rather than balanced Pokemon.

And ANinyMouse, what I did is different from most other submissions. Most submissions have awesome SpA and Spe, and average to low everything else. Mine has very good HP, SpA, SpD and Spe, and low Atk and Def. It's a very different stat spread from most others, if anything because it only has an ODB of 7.7, while most of the others have an ODB of at least 20.
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I admit that 110/50/100 are attractive defenses, but 110/120 seems too tame to me. The speed's great; in fact, so long as it's fast, I don't care how fast it is, dig? I just don't like your SpA stat.

Rock might be right up at the top as far as effectiveness against the metagame goes, but that doesn't mean that it's used on everything, either. Types that resist Rock are popular by default, as the presence of Stealth Rock makes life difficult for those that don't.

I'm not saying we should make something that should steamroll over the competition, but at least something that is an OU threat. Without, say, having to lean on it's support movepool too much.
 
Well, that was my first prototype, and it will be useless anyway since it has an ODB of 7.7 and that will probably lose the current bias poll.

I was also banking on creating a Special Rock move just for this guy. The reason why a decent Special Rock move does not exist is because there is no Special mono-Rock Pokemon. All Rock Pokemon that have a good SpA stat are dual types and have much better special STAB moves in the other type (Tyranitar's Dark type and Omastar's Water type were considered Special prior to DP). Since this guy is breaking the mold as to be the first mono-Rock Pokemon that has a good SpA and Spe, it should also break the mold in the sense of creating a decent Special Rock-type move for him.
 
ANinyMouse said:
I admit that 110/50/100 are attractive defenses.
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Thought it was 110/40/100? Speaking of stats, shouldn't we find a range in which the majority of the community are comfortable with? I mean, how fast, powerful, or frail you want our Rock monster to be? One more thing, is multiple new moves allowed on one Pokemon?
 
Do they have the two stats have to balanced? I mean, couldn't we give it like lets say 145 SpA but only give it 100 Speed.

You also have to look at the art submissions. Do any of them look like they can muster up 140 Speed? Not really.

That's all I have to say. May submit something later.
 
Would this ever work, having everyone vote on each stat one by 1? For example first you have a poll for HP and make the choices 50-60, 70-80, 90-100 etc. Then go to each stat so on and so on.
 
diablojd05 said:
Would this ever work, having everyone vote on each stat one by 1? For example first you have a poll for HP and make the choices 50-60, 70-80, 90-100 etc. Then go to each stat so on and so on.
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Too time consuming and limiting.
 
HP: 100
Allows subs of 101 HP without eving.
Att: 36
Breaks the mold, getting rid of the possibility of a mixed sweeper stealing all the STAB from Stone Edge.
Def: 77
Always, survives a 36 EV'd Close Combat from Infernape, with a possiiblity of surviving after stealh rock damage. With no evs in Defense or HP.
Sp. Att: 137
Should always 2HKO Max HP/160 Sp. Def Bold Zapdos.
Sp. Def: 77
Can always take a Timid 252 Sp. att Alakazam's Focus Blast, requires some minimal eving to survive modest.
Speed: 128
Outspeeds Sky Shamyin

Total: 555.
 
Master of the Six Kings said:
HP: 100
Allows subs of 101 HP without eving.
Att: 36
Breaks the mold, getting rid of the possibility of a mixed sweeper stealing all the STAB from Stone Edge.
Def: 77
Always, survives a 36 EV'd Close Combat from Infernape, with a possiiblity of surviving after stealh rock damage. With no evs in Defense or HP.
Sp. Att: 137
Should always 2HKO Max HP/160 Sp. Def Bold Zapdos.
Sp. Def: 77
Can always take a Timid 252 Sp. att Alakazam's Focus Blast, requires some minimal eving to survive modest.
Speed: 128
Outspeeds Sky Shamyin

Total: 555.
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I want this Base stat.
 
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