Pokemon Platinum - The definitive thread: Mach 3 (Competitive Discussion)

skiddle said:
I can see the little Lawnmower Rotom cutting out (pun intended) a little niche for itself in UU as a good Choice Specs pokemon.

Grass, Ghost and Electric hits everything quite hard, even Steelix and Lanturn. With Trick or Hidden Power in the last slot, it could rape face!

I'm thinking:

Lawnmower Rotom @ Choice Specs
Modest
36 HP / 252 SpA / 220 Spe

Leaf Storm
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
Trick

Outruns positive bases 70s with 263 speed. Hits hard with 508 special attack. Leaf Storm does 91-108% to Special Sponge Lanturn, and 72-84% to standard Steelix. HELL YEAH!!

Shadow Ball rapes those Psychic special walls, and Thunderbolt kills everything else.

This is going to be the Rotom I'm using anyways.
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IMO Rotom will NOT be UU. His stats are greatly improved, his movepool is bigger, and he's still got great typing.

But I think he'll be banned anyway =/ unfortunately.
 
I'm disapointed in Dunsparce's Tutor movepool, nothing good to abuse Serene Grace. ._.


And Earth Power Skymin....
No more Muk as a counter, and Registeel takes a huge blow too.

Speaking of Muk and Registeel, have they been checked?
 
Pidgeot already got plenty of cool things this gen (Brave Bird, Roost, etc).

So now it's more of an issue with low stats than movepool.
 
Well if Honchkrow, Zapdos and Crobat get Heat Wave then I don't see why Pidgeot cannot. Hell, something against Steels besides Hidden Power.
 
so, yeah, if anyone have Platinum right now, have at least 1 alternate forme to test with, pm me.

Nevermind, I just did it.

The old lobby, I entered with Sky Forme, I did not do anything. I exit.

Shaymin turned back to land forme.
I'll try new lobby now.

New lobby is Wifi Poffin thingie, it's official. None of the new formes are usuable in any way, AT ALL. NADDA, ZIP, ZERO.

Great job for all the useless theorymon, can we please close those Skymin/Giratina-O threads now?
 
Yea I'm starting back many many pages and will try to compile everything in alphabetical order, and maybe write a list of what hasn't been checked or things that need more complete checking...
EDIT: and only doing final evolutions for now
 
Age of Kings said:
Zen Headbutt is pretty big. o_o;

Especially since fast fighters are at risk for switching in, most of all Limber Hitmonlee.
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With Serene Grace, its only 40% flinch. Compare that to Headbutt's 60% flinch rate, which still does a crapload of damage to Lee. Besides, he's not switching into a Body Slam (which is what I always go with) without getting hurt pretty badly.

Aside from hitting Fighting types harder, Zen doesn't really help much else with coverage, aside from maybe Weezing, who stops Dunsparce cold with Will-o-Wisp anyways. (Earthquake hits all other poisons harder, plus steels.)

The basic Paraflinch set didn't get any real improvements.
 
Posted a new thread. Only list in there, though, don't discuss too much.

Edit: That doesn't mean this thread dies - this is still for discussion and some questioning.
 
It's too bad Game Freak didn't give Victreebel Gunk Shot (or Poison Jab, wtf?), but it looks like it might be able to do a little better with the one move it did get, Leaf Blade:

Victreebel @ Life Orb
Naive nature
6 HP, 252 attack, 252 speed
Swords Dance
Leaf Blade
Hidden Power Ice
Sleep Powder

Remember the R/S Swords Dancer set? Well now it's reversed in that its grass STAB is now physical and its poison STAB is now special (and thus less useful, so it's not included). In UU, grass/ice is resisted only by Mawile, Shedinja, Flareon, and Nintetales, and Victreebel can outspeed the first three and put them to sleep with Sleep Powder. The extra power of Leaf Blade and Life Orb is what makes this set, as it can now 2HKO Impish 252 HP/0 def Steelix over 50% of the time with Leaf Blade.
 
Mr_Goodbar said:
Yea I'm starting back many many pages and will try to compile everything in alphabetical order, and maybe write a list of what hasn't been checked or things that need more complete checking...
EDIT: and only doing final evolutions for now
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You are the top dude ;)

I said that without you smogon wouldn't the same :D lol
 
mydegradedlie said:
Barely saw topic and read the last 2 pages maybe so dont flame me if its already been said.
But has anyone checked Drapion and Toxicroak?
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The best way to check if a Pokemon has been tested previously is to click on the 'Search this thread' option on the top-right of the screen and type in the name of the Pokemon to be checked. It also wouldn't hurt to check if their prevo is listed on the first page, since IIRC some of those haven't had their fully evolved form checked yet.

In the cases of Drapion and Toxicroak, I think the only moves we know are from the battle frontier csv, so not a 100% complete list.
 
I finished compiling hopefully everything that has been discovered so far. But when you guys notify about tutors, it'd be a lot more helpful if you could tell all the tutors, not just the ones that seem notable, so it's more complete. Now I'm gonna alphabetize ?_?. Also, much better when you list them out like dbolt (ex: Dodrio: Flamethrower, etc.) rather than Stellar (ex: Dodrio
- Flamethrower
- etc.)
Not to discredit you though Stellar much appreciated your helping, it'd just help if you listed the other way :P

Code: 
[B]Abomasnow:[/B] Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Mud-slap, Outrage, Seed Bomb

[B]Absol:[/B] Mud Slap, Super Power, Bounce, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, Zen Headbutt, Knock Off, Sucker Punch
  
[B]Aerodactyl:[/B] Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Ancientpower, Earth Power, Twister, Heat Wave
  
[B]Aggron:[/B] Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, Mud-slap, Rollout, Superpower, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Endeavor, Outrage, Ancientpower, Earth Power, Iron Defense
  
[B]Alakazam:[/B] Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Zen Headbutt, Trick, Knock Off, Signal Beam
   
[B]Altaria:[/B] Mud Slap, Outrage, Twister, Heat Wave, Air Cutter, Ominous Wind
  
[B]Ambipom:[/B] Fire Punch, Ice Punch, ThunderPunch, Fury Cutter, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Gunk Shot, Seed Bomb, Bounce
   
[B]Ampharos:[/B] Fire Punch, ThunderPunch, Outrage, Signal Beam, Magnet Rise
  
[B]Arbok:[/B] Aqua Tail, Gastro Acid, Gunk Shot, Seed Bomb
   
[B]Arcanine:[/B] Mud Slap, Iron Head, Heat Wave
  
[B]Arceus:[/B] Dive, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, Ominous Wind, Zen Headbutt, Trick, Mud-slap, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Outrage, Ancientpower, Signal Beam, Earth Power, Twister, Iron Defense, Heat Wave
  
[B]Ariados:[/B] Sucker Punch, Signal Beam, Bounce
  
[B]Armaldo:[/B] Fury Cutter, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Superpower, Aqua Tail, Ancientpower, Earth Power, Iron Defense
  
[B]Articuno:[/B] Icy Wind, Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Mud-slap, Ancientpower, Signal Beam, Twister
   
[B]Azelf:[/B] Zen Headbutt, Mud Slap, Signal Beam, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Trick, Knock Off
  
[B]Azumarill:[/B] Dive, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Rollout, Superpower, Aqua Tail
  
[B]Bastiodon:[/B] Mud-slap, Iron Head, Outrage, Ancientpower, Earth Power, Iron Defense
  
[B]Beautifly:[/B] Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Signal Beam, Twister
  
[B]Beedrill:[/B] Endeavor, Fury Cutter, Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Knock Off
  
[B]Bellossom:[/B] Gastro Acid, Seed Bomb
  
[B]Bibarel:[/B] Mud-slap, Rollout, Superpower, Aqua Tail, Dive, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind
  
[B]Blastoise:[/B] Mud-slap, Rollout, Aqua Tail, Outrage, Signal Beam, Iron Defense, Dive, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt
  
[B]Blaziken:[/B] Mud-slap, Superpower, Bounce, Heat Wave, Fury Cutter, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Vacuum Wave, Knock Off
  
[B]Blissey:[/B] Mud-slap, Rollout, Endeavor, Icy Wind, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt
  
[B]Breloom:[/B] Fury Cutter, Thunder Punch, Vacuum Wave, Mud-slap, Superpower, Seed Bomb
   
[B]Bronzong:[/B] Rollout, Iron Head, Ancientpower, Signal Beam, Zen Headbutt, Trick
   
[B]Cacturne:[/B] Mud-slap, Superpower, Seed Bomb, Snore, Spite, Synthesis, Fury Cutter, ThunderPunch, Sucker Punch

[B]Camerupt:[/B] Mud-slap, Rollout, Iron Head, Earth Power, Heat Wave, Snore

[B]Carnivine:[/B] Mud-slap, Gastro Acid, Seed Bomb, Snore, Synthesis, Fury Cutter, Knock Off

[B]Castform:[/B] Snore, Last Resort, Swift, Icy Wind, Ominous Wind
   
[B]Celebi:[/B] Mud Slap, Ancient Power, Signal Beam, Earth Power, Seed Bomb, Zen Headbutt, Trick

[B]Charizard:[/B] Mud-slap, Outrage, Twister, Heat Wave, Snore, Swift, Fury Cutter, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Ominous Wind, Air Cutter

[B]Chatot:[/B] Mud-slap, Twister, Heat Wave, Snore, Swift, Uproar, Ominous Wind

[B]Cherrim:[/B] Rollout, Seed Bomb, Snore, Helping Hand, Synthesis

[B]Chimecho:[/B] Rollout, Signal Beam, Snore, Helping Hand, Last Resort, Uproar, Icy Wind, Zen Headbutt, Trick, Knock Off
   
[B]Claydol:[/B] Mud-slap, Ancientpower, Signal Beam, Earth Power, Zen Headbutt, Trick
   
[B]Clefable:[/B] Mud Slap, Rollout, Endeavor, Signal Beam, Bounce, Icy Wind, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt, Trick, Knock Off

[B]Cloyster:[/B] Signal Beam, Iron Defense, Snore, Swift, Dive, Icy Wind
 
[B]Corsola:[/B] Icy Wind, Sucker Punch, Mud-slap, Rollout, Endeavor, Ancientpower, Earth Power, Snore

[B]Cradily:[/B] Mud-slap, Gastro Acid, Ancientpower, Earth Power, Seed Bomb, Snore, Synthesis

[B]Crawdaunt:[/B] Dive, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Superpower, Endeavor, Ancientpower, Iron Defense, Snore, Spite, Swift
   
[B]Cresselia:[/B] Snore, Helping Hand, Swift, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, Zen Headbutt, Trick, Signal Beam, Mud Slap

[B]Crobat:[/B] Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Zen Headbutt, Twister, Heat Wave, Snore, Swift, Uproar
   
[B]Delcatty:[/B] Icy Wind, Zen Headbutt, Sucker Punch, Mud-slap, Rollout

[B]Delibird:[/B] Icy Wind, Mud-slap, Rollout, Signal Beam, Gunk Shot, Seed Bomb, Bounce, Swift

[B]Deoxys: [/B]Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Zen Headbutt, Trick, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Signal Beam, Snore, Swift

[B]Dewgong:[/B] Dive, Icy Wind, Aqua Tail, Signal Beam, Snore

[B]Dialga: [/B]Fury Cutter, Mud-slap, Iron Head, Earth Power, Ancientpower, Iron Defense, Twister, Outrage, Snore, Magnet Rise, Swift

[B]Dodrio:[/B] Air Cutter, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Endeavor, Snore, Swift, Uproar
[B]
Donphan:[/B] Knock Off, Mud-slap, Rollout, Superpower, Ancientpower, Earth Power, Gunk Shot, Seed Bomb, Iron Defense, Bounce, Snore
[B]
Dragonite:[/B] Dive, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Mud-slap, Superpower, Iron Tail, Aqua Tail, Outrage, Twister, Heat Wave, Snore, Swift
   
[B]Drifblim:[/B] Mud Slap, Rollout, Icy Wind, Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Trick, Knock Off, Sucker Punch
[B]   
Dugtrio:[/B] Sucker Punch, Snore, Mud Slap, Earth Power
  
[B]Dunsparce:[/B] Zen Headbutt, Mud-slap, Rollout, Aqua Tail, Endeavor, Ancientpower, Snore, Spite, Last Resort
[B]   
Dusknoir: [/B]Mud Slap, Icy Wind, Thunder Punch, Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Ominous Wind, Trick, Sucker Punch
   
[B]Dustox:[/B] Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Snore, Swift, Signal Beam, Twister
 
[B]Entei:[/B] Mud Slap, Iron Head, Heat Wave
   
[B]Exeggutor:[/B] Rollout, Ancientpower, Seed Bomb, Zen Headbutt
[B]   
Flareon:[/B] Mud-slap, Superpower, Heat Wave
[B]   
Floatzel:[/B] Dive, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Mud-slap, Aqua Tail
   
[B]Forretress:[/B] Rollout, Signal Beam, Iron Defense, Snore, Magnet Rise
   
[B]Hariyama:[/B] Mud-slap, Superpower, Iron Head, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Vacuum Wave, Knock Off
   
[B]Jirachi:[/B] Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt, Mud Slap, Ancient Power, Trick, Iron Head, Iron Defense, Signal Beam, Icy Wind
   
[B]Jynx: [/B]Mud Slap, Signal Beam, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt, Trick
 
[B]Kingler:[/B] Dive, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Superpower, Ancientpower, Iron Defense, Snore
[B]   
Lapras: [/B]Dive, Icy Wind, Zen Headbutt, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Outrage, Ancientpower, Signal Beam
[B]   
Lopunny: [/B]Fury Cutter, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Mud-slap, Endeavor, Bounce
   
[B]Ludicolo: [/B]Mud-slap, Seed Bomb, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Dive, Icy Wind, Zen Headbutt
   
[B]Machamp:[/B] Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Vacuum Wave, Mud-slap, Superpower
[B]  
Magmortar:[/B] Mud-slap, Heat Wave, Fire Punch, Thunder Punch
   
[B]Magnezone:[/B] Snore, Magnet Rise, Swift, Rollout, Iron Head, Signal Beam, Iron Defense
[B]   
Mamoswine:[/B] Mud Slap, Superpower, Earth Power, Ancient Power, Endeavor, Icy Wind
   
[B]Masquerain:[/B] Mud-slap, Signal Beam, Twister, Icy Wind, Ominous Wind, Air Cutter
   
[B]Medicham:[/B] Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Zen Headbutt, Vacuum Wave, Trick, Snore, Helping Hand, Swift, Mud Slap, Signal Beam
   
[B]Meganium:[/B] Mud Slap, Outrage, Ancient Power, Seed Bomb, Fury Cutter
   
[B]Mewtwo:[/B] Snore, Swift, Icy Wind, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt, Trick, Mud Slap, Aqua Tail, Signal Beam
   
[B]Milotic:[/B] Snore, Swift, Icy Wind, Dive, Mud Slap, Aqua Tail, Iron Head, Twister

[B]Miltank: [/B]Snore, Helping Hand, Icy Wind, Thunder Punch, Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Zen Headbutt, Mud Slap, Rollout, Iron Head
  
[B]Moltres:[/B] Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Snore, Swift, Mud Slap, Ancientpower, Twister, Heat Wave

[B]Palkia:[/B] Mud Slap, Aqua Tail, Outrage, Earth Power, Ancient Power, Twister
   
[B]Pelliper:[/B] Air Cutter, Ominous Wind, Icy Wind, Knock Off, Snore, Swift, Uproar, Mud Slap, Gunk Shot, Twister, Seed Bomb
   
[B]Persian:[/B] Icy Wind, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Gunk Shot, Seed Bomb
[B]  
Pidgeot:[/B] Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Snore, Swift, Uproar, Mud Slap, Twister, Heat Wave
 
[B]Poliwrath: [/B]Dive, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Vacuum Wave, Mud-slap
   
[B]Raichu: [/B]Thunder Punch, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Rollout, Signal Beam
   
[B]Rampardos:[/B] Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Zen Headbutt, Mud-slap, Superpower, Iron Head, Endeavor, Outrage, Ancientpower, Earth Power
   
[B]Rapidash:[/B] Bounce, Heat Wave
  
[B]Roserade:[/B] Fury Cutter, Snore, Swift, Mud Slap, Seed Bomb
   
[B]Rotom:[/B] Snore, Spite, Swift Uproar, Ominous Wind, Trick, Sucker Punch, Mud Slap, Signal Beam
  
[B]Salamence:[/B] Mud-slap, Rollout, Aqua Tail, Outrage, Twister, Heat Wave, Fury Cutter, Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Zen Headbutt
   
[B]Sandslash:[/B] Fury Cutter, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Rollout, Earth Power, Snore, Swift
  
[B]Shedinja:[/B] Mud-slap, Fury Cutter, Trick, Sucker Punch
   
[B]Skarmory: [/B]Mud-slap, Twister, Iron Defense, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, Ominous Wind, Air Cutter

[B]Steelix:[/B] Mud-slap, Rollout, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Ancientpower, Earth Power, Twister, Snore, Magnet Rise
[B] 
Swellow: [/B]Snore, Swift, Air Cutter, Ominous Wind, Mud Slap, Endeavor, Twister, Heat Wave
[B]   
Tentacruel:[/B] Dive, Icy Wind, Knock Off, Snore
   
[B]Typhlosion:[/B] Fury Cutter, Fire Punch, Thunder Punch, Mud-slap, Rollout, Heat Wave
  
[B]Tyranitar: [/B]Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Fury Cutter, Mud-slap, Superpower, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Outrage, Ancientpower, Earth Power
   
[B]Venomoth:[/B] Signal Beam, Twister, Air Cutter, Zen Headbutt, Ominous Wind
  
[B]Victreebel:[/B] Knock Off, Sucker Punch, Gastro Acid, Seed Bomb
   [B]
Vileplume[/B]: Gastro Acid, Seed Bomb
[B]   
Walrein:[/B] Mud-slap, Rollout, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Signal Beam, Dive, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind
  
[B]Weavile:[/B] Mud-slap, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Knock Off
   
[B]Zapdos:[/B] Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Snore, Swift, Mud Slap, Ancientpower, Signal Beam, Twister, Heat Wave
 
Most unlikely tutor list ever:

Steelix does not get Iron Defense. Steelix does get Magnet Rise.

I believe there was an adage about the horror of Blue Whales flying.

I doubt Steelix is any better.
 
Wow, Clefable has even more moves to add to is arsenal!
Knock Off and Trick will be very annoying, and it now has easier access to Punches for those strange Adamant sets.

Clefable and Altaria surge to the top of the UU threats list!
 
Good job, Goodbar, much easier to find what knows what now.

Some things we need to check: The Regis, and the starters that haven't been checked, (Feraligatr, Torterra, Empoleon, and Infernape). Suicune and Raikou as well.
 
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