My first attempt at an uber team, and it's a rain dance team!!!

Nirvana

Team Overview
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I've been really bored with OU teams so I thought I'd try a league where there are no restrictions. I've stepped into the uber environment and decided to attempt at making a really nice rain team using some OU's and Ubers. This is also the first uber team i've ever made so please help me cover my holes.




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Latios@Soul Dew
Timid Nature
252 SpA / 252 Sp / 4 HP
Levitate
Grass Knot
Draco Meteor
Thunder
Recover

My new lead. This allows me to OHKO a Mewtwo with a Draco Meteor powered up with the Soul Dew. It also gets rid of any Groudon that thinks it can lead with the Sun on its side with Grass Knot. Thunder will be completely abused once I activate the rain.


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Kyogre@Leftovers
Timid Nature
252 SpA / 252 Sp / 4 HP
Drizzle
Calm Mind
Thunder
Ice Beam
Surf

Pretty much a standard choice scarf kyogre meant to get the rain goin and pose an immediate threat to some opposing Pokemon. Again this is my first team so this Pokemon is completely standard. I switched this to a Calm Mind Kyogre for a little more attack and defense. It also may fool people thinking that it's a Scarf Kyogre, allowing me to get at least 1 Calm Mind up.

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Manaphy@Leftovers
Timid Nature
252 SpA / 176 Sp / 80 HP
Hydration
Tail Glow
Rest
Surf
Ice Beam

Another standard Pokemon. It's designed to benefit from the rain with getting considerable boost to it's attacks from Tail Glow, then trying to possibly sweep.

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Scizor@Leftovers
Adamant Nature
252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Technician
Pursuit
X-Scissor/Iron Head/Quick Attack
Brick Break/Iron Head/Quick Attack
Swords Dance

Now here's where things start to get interesting. This is a modified Scizor that I've created just for the uber environment, not to mention the rain reduces the damage from Fire moves, allowing Scizor to have a little more eased environment. Technician Pursuit does a lot more damage than a Metagross's Pursuit, combined with a possible swords dance makes this thing a real beast at taking out annoying Psychics. the EV's are modified so it can be a possible physical sweeper on the team, picking off any annoying Deoxys A or Mewtwo that thinks it can take me on. Leftovers>Life Orb since I don't have Roost.
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Electivire@Expert Belt/Choice Band
Adamant Nature
252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Motor Drive
Thunderpunch
Earthquake
Ice Punch
Body Slam

Here's my answer to those annoying people who think they can also take advantage of rain and try to hit my Pokemon with a Thunder. It absorbs the Thunder, gains a nice speed boost, and can counter the opponent back. I got rid of Cross Chop for Body Slam since there's a large amount of Psychic Pokemon in ubers, plus it has a chance of parahaxing a counter or key sweeper on the other team. Otherwise everything else here is standard.
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Palkia@Lustrous Orb
Hasty Nature
252 SpA / 252 Sp / 6 Atk
Pressure
Surf
Spacial Rend
Aqua Tail
Thunder

My mixed sweeper. Yet another monster in the rain capable of wrecking possibly the most havoc out of the whole team. Another standard set. Lustrous Orb double STABs its moves, allowing it to sweep things with its water attacks with also relative ease. Aqua Tail for the occassional Blissey and such.

Well that was my first uber team and it was a Rain Dance team. Post your comments and suggestions here. Please take note i have never played in Uber environment so I've no clue how to counter any threats, I just made this team out of environmental advantages. Ok, so rate, comment, and suggest and thank you!

Pokemon Dropped Out
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Giratina@Leftovers
Impish Nature
252 HP / 244 Def / 12 SpD
Pressure
Will-O-Wisp
Rest
Sleep Talk
Dragon Claw

My defensive wall. Pretty much standard. I've never tried out Giratina before, but I've wanted to try it out since it looked pretty interesting and cool to use. Again a standard set here.
 
If you are trying to pick off threats with the Scizor, Quick Attack may be an option.

Also, why Body slam on the Electrivire, Brick Break/Cross Chop cover much better.

Also, another possibility for your Kyogre is Hidden Power instead of Surf/Water Spout.

Finally, I THINK (I am not 100% sure) that Thunder will do more than TPunch, and in rain, why not try it out?
 
hmm... very good point. I've used Quick Attack Scizor and I really like it a lot but I can't figure out what to replace. Scizor's movepool is so diverse and effective that I don't know which ones to pick and replace lol. I just thought Pursuit would have more of an effect than Quick Attack. As for Thunder I have thought about that, but I'm still debating over whether it should be physical due to the large amount of Thunder on the team (even though the point of infinite rain IS to spam thunder). I'll try to do some calcs to see whether 379 Atk 112 BP Thunderpunch does more than a 226 SpA (roughly if I use Lonely) 180BP Thunder+Rain
 
on scizor you could replace brick break with rock smash because with technician rock smash hits 80 bp 5 more bp then brick break and has a chance to lower defence also
just an opinion :/
 
seriously? ROCK SMASH? THE HM? WOW! I NEVER KNEW IT REALLY HAD THAT MUCH POTENTIAL UNDER TECHNICIAN! but then again Brick Break could destroy any annoying screens from like Lugia or a lead Deoxys-S. EDIT: I think you're under the impression that Technician doubles the BP of a move. It actually only increases the BP by 50%, makin rock smashes power only 60. which is still pretty decent, but less than brick break
 
Kawl said:
on scizor you could replace brick break with rock smash because with technician rock smash hits 80 bp 5 more bp then brick break and has a chance to lower defence also
just an opinion :/
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er, rock smash hits 60 bp with technician =/

just stick with brick break.
 
Actually, that might be replacable with Quick Attack. I realize that Brick Break is good and hits steels, but XScissor gets STAB and hits Psychics, while Pursuit hits escaping ones, and SD boosts during setups.

btw, you might be better sticking with TPunch because most Ubers (I believe) have better SDef than Def, so keep that in mind =/
 
Definately go for CB on Scizor. The extra power on say, quick attack, is very much appreciated when up against many threats.
Otherwise, there's not much to critique.
 
The Swords Dance set won't be nearly as effective as the Choice Band set. An uber game moves pretty fast and there isn't time to setup something that can easily be walled. Choice Band is nice because you can switch in on Latias and either anticipate the switch with Pursuit or go for the STAB attack, X-Scissor. If you want something to Swords Dance, I would recommend Rayquaza or Groudon, the latter would go against your strategy.
 
I just recommend that you try to keep kyogre around during the battle because once it is gone and a groudon is switched in your done for. I would switch it to rest talk just because you need to keep it alive. Body slam is useless on electivire because psychics are hit by earthquake and the lati twins are hit by ice punch. Cross Chop is well worth it on the set.
 
OK, this will bve one of my most serious rates in a while. So sorry if I come off harsh.

First off, lets take a look at you Kyogre starter. First off, it is the most predictable thing in the world. It is used by everyone and their mothers, not to mention that there are better pokemon in ubers for abusing Scarf such as, say, Palkia. The biggest problem with using a fast-ass Kyogre is that they will know what is up most immediantly: slower weather based teams get out their weather first, such as Support Groudon starters. Your stuck with a half-powered Water Spout that will have the high probability of hitting a Chlorophyll pokemon, which your team seriously can't handle very well. Dialga can take any move and Thunder Wave you, ruining Water Spouts precious PP in the process. You have to also think of the opponents pressure ability: they will always know that you are faster because your Drizzle is always activating before their ability, every single time. I would seriously reccommend removing your Kyogre from the starting position and also remove Giratina from the team. Giratina can't really take hits, since it's weak to the majority of uber attacks, so try out an anti-Dialga starter with Lum berry and Stealth Rock. Thunder Wave is an excellent choice as another support option, ruining opposing Kyogre, Darkrai, and Deoxys starters. Stealth Rock is also a very important tool in ubers, as it can wear down on opposing Water spouts from SpecsOgre.


...and my class bell just rang! =O believe I'll be back later!
 
Articanus said:
OK, this will bve one of my most serious rates in a while. So sorry if I come off harsh.

First off, lets take a look at you Kyogre starter. First off, it is the most predictable thing in the world. It is used by everyone and their mothers, not to mention that there are better pokemon in ubers for abusing Scarf such as, say, Palkia. The biggest problem with using a fast-ass Kyogre is that they will know what is up most immediantly: slower weather based teams get out their weather first, such as Support Groudon starters. Your stuck with a half-powered Water Spout that will have the high probability of hitting a Chlorophyll pokemon, which your team seriously can't handle very well. Dialga can take any move and Thunder Wave you, ruining Water Spouts precious PP in the process. You have to also think of the opponents pressure ability: they will always know that you are faster because your Drizzle is always activating before their ability, every single time. I would seriously reccommend removing your Kyogre from the starting position and also remove Giratina from the team. Giratina can't really take hits, since it's weak to the majority of uber attacks, so try out an anti-Dialga starter with Lum berry and Stealth Rock. Thunder Wave is an excellent choice as another support option, ruining opposing Kyogre, Darkrai, and Deoxys starters. Stealth Rock is also a very important tool in ubers, as it can wear down on opposing Water spouts from SpecsOgre.


...and my class bell just rang! =O believe I'll be back later!
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I was thinking the same thing. And believe it or not it actually happened. After my Kyogre got exterminated by a Latios due to its Ice Beam doing pathetic damage. After I killed the Latios with Scizor's pursuit (yeah I was surprised how much a 1-2SD Tech Pursuit could do) a Groudon came out and scared the hell out of me. My whole team's chemistry was instantly ruined and we all had half-assed attacks. Luckily my Palkia somehow pulled through with half-assed water attacks and eliminated 3-4 of his team (including the Groudon that came in mid-game that really startled me and almost screwed me up.) and finally died due to it getting toxic'd. Leaving Scizor to clean up the rest of the dude's annoying-ass team. I was also surprised at how much Sp.Def a Ho-Oh has since it almost killed my whole team. I believe that win was pure luck and once again my signature Pokemon came through in the end. I have also depended on SR during OU games and I've come to realize it's exactly the same now. Thanks for rating and I'll try that Dialga. EDIT: And I've also come to realize Giratina sucks balls as it did next to nothing that whole game but paralyze that annoying ass Latios. Also, he came out with a Ho-Oh lead that totally caught me off-guard and actually almost annihalated my team with the sun.
 
Low Kick is a good option over Body Slam on E-Vire, especially with the heavy-ass ubers.

Quick Attack is a must on Scizor in ubers, in my opinion. The last slot could be X-Scissor or Brick Break, but maybe the best option is U-Turn to get out of those threats and move to your counter. It's really your choice, though
 
How do you handle Shedninja? You have no form of residual damage, sandstorm, of even status. Your only way to hit him is with Scizor's Pursuit. However would you really risk that knowing that he can just burn you?
 
I know Manaphy powers up easy with the rain, and is quite decent under it, but the problem with it is that it is very easily walled. It's also easily counterable too by Latios/Latias, Mewtwo, etc.. Maybe you can replace it for Darkrai. He's always a welcome addition to a team and always forces opposing teams to submission trying to counter it. The only true 1-pokemon counter for it is fighting Arceus, and it is banned on shoddy ladder.

Or you could also replace it for man's best friend Blissey, since your team lacks a wall. At first I didn't want Bliss but since I started using it, I can't imagine my team without it =P.

Also note that leads these days are very fast, and I don't think Latios would be able to keep up with them. Perhaps consider Latias, for a counter-lead?

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maybe you should consider taking the speed EVs off kyogre. Most pokemon are trained to outspeed base 90s, so you could perhaps give it some more bulk.
 
hmm...these are all good ideas. I think Darkrai will be better than Manaphy, with better stats and the element of surprise. Shedinja...Shedinja....uhm its kinda tough to injure it in the rain I might just make that Dialga with SR and T-Wave or a Blissey...but Blissey bores me to hell whenever I see it and whenever I DO see one I immediately counter it one way or another. I was considering Low Kick for an E-Vire, but since majority of Pokemon are Psychic I thought it'd be kinda useless.
 
I suggest you Scarf Palkia since you made Kyogre a Calm Minder. You have nothing over 400 speed. I'm still not convinced that Electivire would work in this team. There are so many things that can safely switch in on it if you did manage to get a Motor Drive boost. Toxicroak might be a better option.
 
Kevin Garrett said:
I suggest you Scarf Palkia since you made Kyogre a Calm Minder. You have nothing over 400 speed. I'm still not convinced that Electivire would work in this team. There are so many things that can safely switch in on it if you did manage to get a Motor Drive boost. Toxicroak might be a better option.
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Or, if in the need of an electric resist, there is always the now-forgotten Garchomp
 
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