TeaM NeMEsiS

Accipender

Nemesis originally meant the unseen powers of revenge of the gods that act against man. This team is built to embody that power, pure offensive might while not cowering behind walls. This team is built to disrupt and then sweep, overcoming the opponent with the wrath of the gods.

Team At a Glance:
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THE SPECIAL SPONGE/LEAD
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AtlAs(Tyranitar) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/42 Atk/216 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Stone Edge
This guy serves a dual purpose: Early game, he sets up rocks and dishes out lots of damage. Late game, he comes back as my prime special sponge. With over 450 SDef in SS, he is my #1 Heatran counter, taking ~8% from a Flash Fire Fire Blast, and only 25% from Earth Power. He also is a good Zapdos counter, easily sponging all attacks not named U-Turn and dishing back an OHKO with Stone Edge.



TEH REVENGE KILLER
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CroNoS (Mamoswine) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Oblivious
EVs: 172 HP/252 Atk/86 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Ice Shard
- Stone Edge
- Substitute
- Earthquake
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Though formally, Ive thought of getting rid of him, after a lot of playtesting, I realize hes almost indispensable! Though you may scoff at the use of both Sub AND LO, it works wonders. The LO makes many 3HKOs into 2HKOs and 2HKOs into OHKOs. The strategy is to sub up on switches, like Scarf-Zapdos switching out, and then proceeding to sweep while keeping the sub intact for as long as possible. He’s my answer to Skymin and Mences with STAB LO Ice Shard doing some serious damage.



YUP, ITS SCIZOR!
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AreS (Scizor) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Quick Attack
- Roost
- Swords Dance
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As the name would imply, its a typical Scizor. Come in on a NVE attack, SD up and then sweep. Bullet Punch for crazy Base 90 Attack that pwns almost everything, Quick Attack to hit what BP doesn't (Water, Fire, and Electric). Roost is there for healing, but I don’t use it very much…soo suggestions?



THE SPECIAL SWEEPER
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ArtEmIS (Shaymin-s) @ Life Orb
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Seed Flare
- Air Slash
- Substitute
- Earth Power
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Yah!!! Uber!!! Oh well, until it is banned, it's fair game for my opponents, and me as well! This is a beast, sweeping the few unprepared teams in one fell swoop. Pretty standard movepool, Seed Flare and Air Slash for STAB and SDef drops and flinchax respectively. Earth Power to hit Steels and Rocks, which are often used to counter this. This, very much like Mamo, works wonders with the Sub LO combo, though I have been thinking about changing item to Leftovers for more survivability.



SCARF-REVENGE KILLER
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ZeuS (Zapdos) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 80 HP/176 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice] 66
- Thunderbolt
- Heat Wave
- U-turn
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My first and only Choice user is this beast. Hes my secondary mence counter, as well as my best Scizor counter. Basically, HP and TBolt form the great Bolt-Beam combo, and Heat Wave hits pretty much everything else. If things don’t look good for him, Ill U-Turn outta there to a better counter



THE STEEL PWNER
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HepHesTas (Magnezone) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 172 HP/84 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Substitute
- Magnet Rise
- Hidden Power [Ice]
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Pretty standard Zone from the analysis has been working wonders with my steel pokemon issues. He conquers Bronzong and non-Uturn Scizor, can work against Gross, and theoretically will kill Skarmory, though I’ve never faced one. TBolt and HP ICE has the excellent Bolt-Beam combo for my attacking needs. Sub is for a buffer against whatever counter they choose, and Magnet Rise is to rid him of his awful Ground 4x Weakness.

I take NO credit for the art!!! Thanks to Pokemon Elite 2000 for the sprites in the beginning and furthermore, thanks to Arkeis for the larger portraits!
So Smogon, what do you think of my team? Good? Bad? Amazing? Gave your eyes cancer? RMT!!!


----To come later - Teamwork and Threat List
 
Azelf= fine
Mamo= I've seen this with other pokemon on this team the 252, 252, if you don't want to add 6 into another stat, just do 255, 255.
Scizor- stay with super power but if you dont want your stats lowered for the likes of mach punch then give it brick break or X-scissor
Gengar- you don't need two trickers, give gengar HP ice to kill off those dragons
Shaymin-S, same as mamo but instead of so many special attack EVs maybe cut a little out and put in some HP or Defense EVs with all these ice shards/bullet punches/quick attacks going around. Aero also beats this set with a rock attack.
Tyranitar- Doesn't really qualify as a "special sponge" look over at my statement about mamoswine, if you want it to be a special sponge, or at least have some special defense, add like 6spD evs.

Another scizor practically owns this team once your scizor is dead. and is your scizor 252 spd(special defense) or 252 spe(speed) I think you made a mistake there. But yeah, Scizor/Scarf Hera/ lucario were threats to my team and they really own your team so you need a counter to them.

Hope I helped,

Kecleon
 
Kecleon said:
Azelf= fine
Mamo= I've seen this with other pokemon on this team the 252, 252, if you don't want to add 6 into another stat, just do 255, 255.
Scizor- stay with super power but if you dont want your stats lowered for the likes of mach punch then give it brick break or X-scissor
Gengar- you don't need two trickers, give gengar HP ice to kill off those dragons
Shaymin-S, same as mamo but instead of so many special attack EVs maybe cut a little out and put in some HP or Defense EVs with all these ice shards/bullet punches/quick attacks going around. Aero also beats this set with a rock attack.
Tyranitar- Doesn't really qualify as a "special sponge" look over at my statement about mamoswine, if you want it to be a special sponge, or at least have some special defense, add like 6spD evs.

Another scizor practically owns this team once your scizor is dead. and is your scizor 252 spd(special defense) or 252 spe(speed) I think you made a mistake there. But yeah, Scizor/Scarf Hera/ lucario were threats to my team and they really own your team so you need a counter to them.

Hope I helped,

Kecleon
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Don't listen to him. <.< Tyranitar is a great special sponge due to the 1.5 SDef boost that sandstorm provides but I would go with CBTar since you need the raw power it provides since by the time you get a DD your opponent will be sending in Lucario and you really can't touch it with no EQ. So I would go with this set if you want a real SDef walling TTar:

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/42 Atk/216 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge

This guy can take a Choice Specs, STAB, Hydro Pump from Starmie and OHKO back with Crunch.


Mamoswine, honestly, is awful... Life Orb and Substitute will build up very quickly and since Mamoswine is too slow to really use that sub effectively unless stalling I will agree that he is useless. I would replace him with a RestTalk Pert with Curse to take on Scizor to an extent.

Your Scizor is pretty meh... replace quick attack with X-Scissor. You need it to take out Cress and you have water, fire and electric covered with Swampert.

Gengar is fine as is Skymin.

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Your team is somewhat weak to Skymin. So I would fit in a ScarfTran or Zapdos somewhere in this team.

Hope I helped ^_~
 
hmmm...Ill definitely try for the bulkier Tyranitar, but why no Aqua Tail?

Also, without Mamo, I have no real counter to Shaymin, as Mamo has ice Shard. btw, the Sub is mainly for predicted switchouts, ie they have a shaymin and I sub while they switch to a counter, which I proceed to counter.

As for Scizor, I like to hit as much as possible so as not to waste the SD, and besides, not only has cress gone down in use since Chomp's ban, but BP hits for neutral damage. So, whereas most Fire, Ele, and Water pokes are frail, an unexpected OHKO from Tech'd SD Quick Attack is appreciated.

But, yes you did help, especially by suggesting possible counters for the team, and even moreso with the TTar.

BTW
kecleon, it is Spd, but idk a good EV spread for Scizor, could someone help out?
 
Accipender said:
hmmm...Ill definitely try for the bulkier Tyranitar, but why no Aqua Tail?

Also, without Mamo, I have no real counter to Shaymin, as Mamo has ice Shard. btw, the Sub is mainly for predicted switchouts, ie they have a shaymin and I sub while they switch to a counter, which I proceed to counter.

As for Scizor, I like to hit as much as possible so as not to waste the SD, and besides, not only has cress gone down in use since Chomp's ban, but BP hits for neutral damage. So, whereas most Fire, Ele, and Water pokes are frail, an unexpected OHKO from Tech'd SD Quick Attack is appreciated.

But, yes you did help, especially by suggesting possible counters for the team, and even moreso with the TTar.

BTW
kecleon, it is Spd, but idk a good EV spread for Scizor, could someone help out?
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What are you hitting with Aqua Tail? Hippowdon? well it doesn't do a lot anyways.
 
XxBurst LimitxX said:
Don't listen to him. <.< Tyranitar is a great special sponge due to the 1.5 SDef boost that sandstorm provides but I would go with CBTar since you need the raw power it provides since by the time you get a DD your opponent will be sending in Lucario and you really can't touch it with no EQ. So I would go with this set if you want a real SDef walling TTar:

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/42 Atk/216 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge

This guy can take a Choice Specs, STAB, Hydro Pump from Starmie and OHKO back with Crunch.


Mamoswine, honestly, is awful... Life Orb and Substitute will build up very quickly and since Mamoswine is too slow to really use that sub effectively unless stalling I will agree that he is useless. I would replace him with a RestTalk Pert with Curse to take on Scizor to an extent.

Your Scizor is pretty meh... replace quick attack with X-Scissor. You need it to take out Cress and you have water, fire and electric covered with Swampert.

Gengar is fine as is Skymin.

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Your team is somewhat weak to Skymin. So I would fit in a ScarfTran or Zapdos somewhere in this team.

Hope I helped ^_~
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your suggesting the EXACT same things as me putting spD evs on tyranitar that's exactly what I said, yet you say "don't listen to him"
 
Doesn't really qualify as a "special sponge" look over at my statement about mamoswine, if you want it to be a special sponge, or at least have some special defense, add like 6spD evs.

maybe YOU should read what I said about mamoswine
 
Kecleon said:
Doesn't really qualify as a "special sponge" look over at my statement about mamoswine, if you want it to be a special sponge, or at least have some special defense, add like 6spD evs.

maybe YOU should read what I said about mamoswine
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WTF is 6 little EV's in SDef going to do? Plz tell me how that really helps it in the special department besides that one point. What is that ONE point going to do?

Who is even talking about Mamoswine? I'm talking about TTar
 
And yet YOU said "Don't listen to him, t-tar works as a special sponge with 1.5spD boost and now your saying 6little EVs are not enough, wow, funny before you say anything think
 
Kecleon said:
And yet YOU said "Don't listen to him, t-tar works as a special sponge with 1.5spD boost and now your saying 6little EVs are not enough, wow, funny before you say anything think
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Does that make any since at all? lol... I'm really done with this. 1.5 boost his special defense by half of his original SDef. I see what you are saying now but seriously if he wants a Special Tank 6 little EV's isn't going to cut it.
 
Scizor won't outspeed very many things, so make him bulkier by transfering the Speed ev's into HP.

I would suggest this Moveset

Scizor @ Life Orb
Adamant - 252 Hp 252 Atk 6 Def
Technician
- Swords Dance
- X-Scizor
- Bullet Punch
- Roost/Super Power/Quick Attack

The last slot is really if you want your Sweep to have some longevity, or if you want to hit Heatran or Gyarados for some decent damage.

If scizor doesn't really work out, maybe try a SpecsLucario, or a Machamp in his spot, so you have a decent switch in on CB Tars locked into Stone Edge. This team looks like it wants a bulky pokemon so that Tyranitar doesn't have to take all of this hits, I would maybe try a CroPert over Mamoswine. And give Gengar HP Ice over Thunderbolt, so you can have way to keep Skymin and Dragons locked into outrage in check.
 
Actually 232 HP EVs are better to maximize Life Orb damage. You can throw whatever remaining EVs into Speed, Defense.

Speaking of Scizor you have some problems with this thing yourself. Looks like STAB Bullet Punch from the Choice Band could be a huge threat to this team. I suggest throwing Heatran or Zapdos somewhere to help get a buffer on this.

Mamoswine should do one of the two things: ditch Life Orb or Substitute. The damage will add up quickly and it won't be very good. Use enough EVs for a 101HP Substitute is a good idea, enough Speed for Jolly Tyranitar is fine but you can opt for less and the remainder should go into HP.
 
I would change your azelf to the focus sash lead azelf. I usually find that the other azelf is much more effective at setting up rocks and doing damage to the other team. Trickzelf usually just gets KO'd after a trick. I'm sure it works out great sometimes, but the focus sash lead works almost always. Plus, with everyone using trickzelf, you have more of a "surprise" factor I guess. Or you can switch it out for dualscreen deoxys. Its up to you. Both are better at setting up rocks in my opinion.

I do not see how skymin adds any synergy to your team. I highly recommend changing your skymin to a starmie. Besides tyrannitar, your entire team hates taking scarftran's fireblasts. Adding starmie will help you take them, as well as give you something to reliably switch into gyrados. You can use either spinmie or counterstar, both are great. If you want to still be able to pull off some softsweeps, then counterstar is a great addition to the team. She can also take on scizors that have been hampered by steathrocks/life orb since she resists bullet punch.

Your mamo should exchange sub for superpower to actually do something against bronzong.
 
Why does everyone think Shaymin-S is going to be Uber?

Anyways, I personally think Substitute / Choice Scarf are musts on Shaymin or else it is a rather poor attacker, but that is just me. You can sacrifice a HP, because with a Substitute and that blazing speed, you should be able to flinch Salamence or Scizor until they die.
 
Mamoswine really seems useless, as the life orb and sub damage is going to rack up quickly. Since you're looking for a replacement and a Scizor counter..
I'd suggest Zapdos. Zapdos can effectively wall all of scizor's attacks, and hit back with Heat Wave. It can also take on Skymin to an extent, roosting off damage and T-Bolting when at close to full health. So here's the set I would reccomend

Zapdos@Lefties
252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Bold

Roost
Thunderbolt
Heat wave
HP Grass

This set allows you to take care of Swampert, Skymin, Scizor, Forretress, and almost any pokemon. This set gives great coverage, and most pokemon can't switch into it without harm to themselves. Beware, as it's completely walled by blissey.
 
@ Colonel M - Ill try that, but where do the last couple Evs go? Def?
Also, where would you recommend I put Zapdos?

@Nihilius - Actually, I see alot more Sashed elfs than TrickZelf, and TrickZelf usually pwns leads. Also, Skymin is my answer to bulky waters, and would be really the only need for Spin support.

@Blasphemy - Yah, i used to run a SubMin and will probably go back to doing that, but change LO to Lefties

@CHENN - The only problem is that Mamo is my Electric Sponge (Which is useful with ScarfDoses and with me tricking Scarfs and luring w/ Skymin) Hes also my answer to OTHER Mamos...nevertheless tho, Ill try that Zapdos for a bit.
 
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iirc from the rules im allowed to bump my thread if Ive made significant changes, but I apologize if this is not the case
 
oh...I just changed them, o well...
I changed my TTar to a lead, and gave him lefties instead of CB,
added Zapdos and Magnezone, and changed the Evs around on my Mamo, as well as playing with the movepool of basically everyone.
 
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