The Cricket Thread

Hello Smogon. I'm interested in how many of you know of the fantastic sport of cricket, and see if we can start some sort of discussion on it. I was going to start with England's 20 million dollar match but I'm quite glad of that after the result. I'd like to hear some of your opinions on that and on England (or other countries) tours this Winter / Summer. Below here I have outlined England's Tours this winter, if you want me to add any other countries please just ask. It would be nice to see some predictions and discussion of these forthcoming matches, so I ask you, how well do YOU think England will do in India this winter? Can we hold our own in the One Dayers? Will we come back from the series defeat against South Africa that they came back from 1-0 down with two to go, to win 1-0?

England in India Tour said:
9th November - 2nd December
Series consisting of 7 ODIs

5-7 December Three-day match, Baroda

11-15 1st Test, Ahmedabad
19-23 2nd Test, Mumbai (Brabourne Stadium)

England in West Indies Tour said:
February

4-8 1st Test, Jamaica
Play starts 1500 GMT

13-17 2nd Test, Antigua
Play starts 1400 GMT

26-2 March 3rd Test, Barbados
Play starts 1400 GMT

March
6-10 4th Test, Trinidad
Play starts 1400 GMT

15 - Twenty20 International, Trinadad

20th March - 3rd April
Series Consisting of 5 ODIs

So that's where we're going this summer. Obviously this wont be as popular as the soccer thread but I will bump it if there are things of particular interest going on. Like the ashes this summer. Anyway let's give this a go shall we?
 
India is pretty good at cricket, but that's the only thing we have :(
Go Sahara India! We own!
Harbhajan Singh, please play with spectacular-ness!
 
*waits for the ashes*

I think England have a good chance of winning it, considering that the Australian attack is lacking a top class spinner (I know that guy took 8-215 vs india) and none of the pacemen are really red hot (as far as I'm aware).
 
I'd just like to say that the 20 Million Dollar match was absolute shit and that England shouldn't have taken part.

Can't wait for The Ashes, England actually stand a chance again. Australia don't look quite so dominant anymore, especially after India mauling them in that Test Series.

Any of you guys play cricket yourselves? I had county trials D= (failed, obviously xD)
 
Haha are you kidding? I thought I would never see a cricket thread on here. Anyway...

England in India

Although we bat down to 8 with Stuart Broad in the team, our line up is the epitome of mediocrity. Cook/Strauss/Bell is the least threatening top 3 in international cricket (out of the competitive teams) and my concern is that we will not be able to post a 450 total in the first innings. On the typical Indian feather-bed, 350-400 will simply not be enough and the pressure will be on our bowlers. If the Australian series is any indication, our seamers will have no help whatsoever from the pitches and Monty will have to deliver. We will need big performances from Pietersen and Flintoff - our only world class players - if England are to take anything away from the subcontinent.

I predict 1-0 to India.

England in the West Indies

I have not rated West Indies as a test nation for years. They are whipping boys as far as I am concerned and this series will just be an opportunity for our players to make up for a poor showing in India. The media will spin it like it is a renaissance when in reality, England will just be beating a vastly inferior team.

I predict 3-1 to England.
 
Phail Shade.

I like to play Cricket more than most other sports as long as I don't have to field or bowl.

/me goes back to Lurking.

Please don't use stupid words like 'phail' especially when you don't know crap about what you're talking about.

Back on topic:

McGraw said:
I predict 1-0 to India.

I definately think we can take something from India. We have a few good spinners that we could call upon: Panesar and Swann (sp?) and we have shown that we can beat the Indians, but their confidence will be sky-high.

We need to watch out for their bowling attack though, IMO.

McGraw said:
I predict 3-1 to England.

Couldn't agree more, the West Indies might not take that one victory aswell.
 
I can see India batting us out of each game... The only member of their top 7 without recent runs is Dravid and he averages over 61 against England.

I think we will be careless and drop one match against the West Indies, but I agree, 4-0 is quite likely too.

Regarding playing cricket; I bat at 6 and bowl medium pace (it's all casual though). I am not a threatening bowler, but I keep it tight. I average something like 23 with the bat and 34 with the ball. If only those figures were reversed :toast:
 
India is pretty good at cricket, but that's the only thing we have :(
Go Sahara India! We own!
Harbhajab Singh, please play with spectacular-ness!

XD, If too much of your bowling attack start firing, we could be in trouble. I can see you having to rely a little too much on Harbhajan I haven't seen too much of the younger fast bowlers. Not amazingly scared of Sehwag and Tendulkar bowling though. On a more serious note england are going to have to bowl exceedingly well to break through your battling line-up. I mean Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman, Tendular, Ganguly... It's going to be a tough job on your pitches.

*waits for the ashes*

I think England have a good chance of winning it, considering that the Australian attack is lacking a top class spinner (I know that guy took 8-215 vs india) and none of the pacemen are really red hot (as far as I'm aware).

Again we'll have to wait and see, they seem to be using Lee, Johnson, Watson as their attack in India, only Brett Lee who I can see taking a fivefor. Again I think it is englands bowling line up that will be in question rather than our battling line up. We'll need to put the pressure on with the bat to have a fighting chance.

I'd just like to say that the 20 Million Dollar match was absolute shit and that England shouldn't have taken part.

Can't wait for The Ashes, England actually stand a chance again. Australia don't look quite so dominant anymore, especially after India mauling them in that Test Series.

Any of you guys play cricket yourselves? I had county trials D= (failed, obviously xD)

I completely agree, not only was the moral of the match completely wrong, we also managed to assure in everyone's minds that we cannot play for shit under pressure. I mean it's not like they out played us, we handed the £20,000,000 into their hands practically from the first over.

I play for eversley cricket club. I've never been amazingly good. I'd call muyself an all-rounder but they never work both on the same day. I never played higher than the 3rd Team (at age 17 now), bowling 1st / 2nd change and battling 6 / 7. Talking county trials... lol tried once and failed.

Phail Shade.

I like to play Cricket more than most other sports as long as I don't have to field or bowl.

/me goes back to Lurking.

LOL, thats what a lot of people say. Batting is supposed to be the enjoyable part of the game. I think people find fielding boring as there is nothing to do for long periods of time, but if you find that you care about the match, walk in and be enthusiastic its fine. A bit of banter never hurts either ;) As for bowling, bowling's pleasure comes in short sharp bursts rather than as a constant stream of balls to face and score runs off. You can only take a maximum of 10 wickets in an over after all lol.

Haha are you kidding? I thought I would never see a cricket thread on here. Anyway...

England in India

Although we bat down to 8 with Stuart Broad in the team, our line up is the epitome of mediocrity. Cook/Strauss/Bell is the least threatening top 3 in international cricket (out of the competitive teams) and my concern is that we will not be able to post a 450 total in the first innings. On the typical Indian feather-bed, 350-400 will simply not be enough and the pressure will be on our bowlers. If the Australian series is any indication, our seamers will have no help whatsoever from the pitches and Monty will have to deliver. We will need big performances from Pietersen and Flintoff - our only world class players - if England are to take anything away from the subcontinent.

I predict 1-0 to India.

England in the West Indies

I have not rated West Indies as a test nation for years. They are whipping boys as far as I am concerned and this series will just be an opportunity for our players to make up for a poor showing in India. The media will spin it like it is a renaissance when in reality, England will just be beating a vastly inferior team.

I predict 3-1 to England.

I agree with you, although I fell making predictions is hard. I think the problem that I have always had with England's Cricket is so unpredictable. Good examples are Harmison and Anderson. World Class bowlers opn their day, but they just bolw too shit too often. Were going to need a solid middle order and good support from the lower order to post totals of 450+ but i think we have it in us. We need someone to stand up and take charge and really lead this team, which we don't really have. We need Flintoff to start firing with both bat and ball again.
 
lol gold you made a cricket thread, well thats good, england vs india will be a good series, although i am against you on this one buddy xD. I just hope india can win( or more realistically draw) the match and get the series win against australia. oh and ganguly is not going to be there for the england tour which sucks.
 
Ganguly wont play against England, he retires after the current match. Which is probably quite good for England..

Ok first Harmisson will suck balls. He will average over 50. It'll be too hot for him, and when Sehwag comes after him he will give up like the whiney little bitch he is. IMO James Anderson is rubbish, he is pretty effective against teams like New Zealand because we are rubbish. To be honest I wouldnt play either of them. I dunno if Swann is a good enough spinner in tests, but I'd be tempted to have him in the side. Otherwise, just play 4 bowlers + Pietersen/that ginger dude whose name I've forgotten. That will allow you to bat your keeper at 8 which tbh is the best place for him.

Honestly with what I've seen of India vs Australia it doesnt look good for England. At least not in India..

New Zealand are going to Australia! That should be just about the worst drubbing we have ever recieved. The only reason to watch it is for possible moments of brilliance from Jesse Ryder or Ross Taylor. Vettori will be batting at 7 which is a promising sign, but really he should be at 5 or something.. I also predict we will have a new opening combination for whoever we play after Australia (india or west indies I think). Also something to celebrate, we will finally get rid of the worst coach in any sport ever after this summer.. I have been praying for this day since the 2003 tour of England, and it is finally going to come!

Have a nice day.
 
Ganguly wont play against England, he retires after the current match. Which is probably quite good for England..

Ok first Harmisson will suck balls. He will average over 50. It'll be too hot for him, and when Sehwag comes after him he will give up like the whiney little bitch he is. IMO James Anderson is rubbish, he is pretty effective against teams like New Zealand because we are rubbish. To be honest I wouldnt play either of them. I dunno if Swann is a good enough spinner in tests, but I'd be tempted to have him in the side. Otherwise, just play 4 bowlers + Pietersen/that ginger dude whose name I've forgotten. That will allow you to bat your keeper at 8 which tbh is the best place for him.

Honestly with what I've seen of India vs Australia it doesnt look good for England. At least not in India..

New Zealand are going to Australia! That should be just about the worst drubbing we have ever recieved. The only reason to watch it is for possible moments of brilliance from Jesse Ryder or Ross Taylor. Vettori will be batting at 7 which is a promising sign, but really he should be at 5 or something.. I also predict we will have a new opening combination for whoever we play after Australia (india or west indies I think). Also something to celebrate, we will finally get rid of the worst coach in any sport ever after this summer.. I have been praying for this day since the 2003 tour of England, and it is finally going to come!

Have a nice day.

sehwag is a bit of a gamble, even though he has become more consistant since his comeback, and i just checked and India is going to New Zealand, i swear this took a while to come, i haven't seen any series between these two teams for a while which is kinda sad tbh, and i think New Zealand can do well in australia, they are already on the decline so you never know. Its a bit weird that New Zealand are a good ODI side but not a good test side.....
 
It's not really weird, Bracewell was brought in as coach to strengthen the ODI team (when he started we were the #2 test team in the world), he has chased away all of our experienced players so that of our current test team, I think 7 of our players debuted in the last 12 months. Maybe 6 im not certain about Jeetan Patel.

But ultimately it is because they dont play enough. In 2007 they played 2 tests in the whole year.

We are strong at ODIs because a disciplined team with just enough talent will always be competitive in ODIs. In tests the lack of experience is just always going to be exposed..

Australia are declining but not far enough. In Australian pitches their bowlers will be more than adequate to control at least most of the New Zealand batsmen. There will be no Jacob Oram for us, so like I say, there is Taylor, Ryder, Vettori and McCullum who will pretty much have to score on behalf of the whole team. Taylor and Ryder are capable enough, but are not experienced players, McCullum is I think not quite as talented as people think he is, I really dont know what to expect from him, but I doubt it will be any more than a couple of quick 50s, though with Vettori batting at 7 maybe his reliability as a batsman will actually have an impact on games, as opposed to just making losses less embarassing.

Australia still have Hayden, Ponting, Hussey and Clarke, and maybe Symonds I dunno if he will be back or not, but even without him, their batting lineup is just gonna be too much for NZs bowlers. Basically, if NZ are going to win a game, it will be won by Vettori.. But I couldnt say that anything other than a 2-0 loss is likely.

Have a nice day.
 
Basically, if NZ are going to win a game, it will be won by Vettori..

Agreed. I am a big Vettori fan. He would make my Test/ODI/T20 World XI.

I think McCullum seems to stand out so much because he is surrounded by mediocrity. Further, he makes bigger hundreds than Boucher, scores faster than Dhoni and is more consistent than the other batsman/wicket keepers.

I didn't realise Ganguly would not be playing against England. That can only boost our chances, especially if the Indian selectors decide to drop Dravid due to his current slump. It would balance out the experience between the sides, though I still rate 1-0 to India as the most likely result in their own backyard.
 
I used to play cricket but i gave up when i realized that I was pretty hopless at it (i used to swing the bat like it was baseball)...

Agreeing with most people that the west indies should be pretty much a walkover. India, on the other hand, is more interesting. I think realisticly the best that england can do is try and bat out a draw, I can't see us taking wickets that easily.
 
3rd Day of India v Australia has just finished, and I must say it's pretty hard to call. Australia are only really in it if they bowl india out < 200 within the next day, still leaving them 300 to get on a late 4th / 5th day wicket. I don't really see Australia getting < 250 in the their last innings, its just not what you come to expect from the best team in the world. So India will need to put at least 250 or do on the board and leave them enough time to bowl Austrlia out. Assuming that they don't get bowled out the timing of India's declaration will be crucial. That is assuming they don't bore us by nbattling out two days to win the series 2-0 but then again, why would they put their series lead at risk?
 
The India vs Australia match seems to be going India's way at the moment. The Indian batting lineup is pretty formidable, and unless they just collapse and cave in, I don't see Australia winning this one. It will most likely peter out into a tame draw, giving India the series win. I'd like to see Ganguly going out on a high, it sucked that he missed his century.

@Graw:The only thing that the Indian selectors would be less likely to do than dropping Dravid would be dropping Tendulkar. Dravid's poor run hasn't really been all that significant, and he's one of the Big Three of Indian cricket, and unlike Ganguly, he doesn't seem to be contemplating hanging up his boots just yet. I think it'll be a while yet before the selectors consider dropping him. So England will have to face him, and I hope he'll be back in form by that point.

I hope the West Indies recover soon, or they'll go down to the level of Bangladesh/Zimbabwe. It's sad to see this happen, they were a fun team to watch even up to the point where Walsh/Ambrose were in their prime. They never really seemed to find any exceptional talent after that point. Lara's departure has pretty much reduced them to whipping boys as Graw said.
 
I think McCullum seems to stand out so much because he is surrounded by mediocrity. Further, he makes bigger hundreds than Boucher, scores faster than Dhoni and is more consistent than the other batsman/wicket keepers.

actually McCullum is not more consistent than dhoni, infact dhoni is ranked # 1 in the ICC rankings.

Dhoni averages 47.41( strike rate= 91.30) in ODI's and 35.86( strike rate= 63.59) in tests with McCullum averages 28.66(strike rate= 90.24 ) in ODI's and 31.40(strike rate= 64.29) in tests. But yes McCulum is a good player. India vs Australia day 3 was just great, blocking the runs and getting the wickets, ending up with 86 runs lead, it didn't look like that yesterday when they were 189/2. Tommorow it will be Virender Sehwag VS Australia, if he goes early then india have to be careful, otherwise its game over for the Australians.
 
India vs Australia day 3 was just great

I don't understand how, as Australia scored almost in the slowest way possible (for the third 100 ie. form 200 to 300 , they took 354 balls), i found it really boring...
 
I don't understand how, as Australia scored almost in the slowest way possible (for the third 100 ie. form 200 to 300 , they took 354 balls), i found it really boring...
well yes in terms of watching the game yes it was boring, but in the context of the game it was a good day, 189/2 to 355 all out is something great, if they went by attacking from the start it could have been much worse as hussey and katich didn't look like getting out. oh and i only watched till lunch, as i live in Canada
 
McCullums stats arent really fair on him, he has played for a while, but he really has improved a lot in the past couple of years..

I am not meaning to imply he is a bad player, just that he isnt our best batsman.. I rate both Oram and Vettori higher (as well as Ryder and Taylor).

Have a nice day.
 
McCullums stats arent really fair on him, he has played for a while, but he really has improved a lot in the past couple of years..

I am not meaning to imply he is a bad player, just that he isnt our best batsman.. I rate both Oram and Vettori higher (as well as Ryder and Taylor).

Have a nice day.
yes i agree with you on that, did you see the first IPL match? Absolutely destructive innings....
 
Dhonmi has also come on recently. I would put them in a very similar boats. Dohni is an up and coming aggressive batsman who had recently started to become a lot more consistant, but is still liable to the odd poor innings when he tries to go for it too early. I think pretty much exactly the same can be said for McCullum, as he proved how amazingly he can go for brilliant to absolute shit in the space of a series against england.

I agree completely with Hip, he is definately not their best batsman.
 
India are playing for a draw. Which is kind of ruining Test cricket. It's mainly because the way they bowled to Katich and Hussey with the 8-1 field is boring as fuck.

Australia's test side has gone down but we just need to work on our bowling line up nd we will be able to come back. We just need to work on our bowlers and getting our batters in form. Lee, Johnson, S.Clark and either the new spinner or Watson for the main attack with either M.Clarke or White/Symonds doing the part-timers spin.

I think Watson has been a bit lackluster this series along with our bowlers. But our test side has been getting worse since the Ashes.

Our one-day side is a lot better. Though I can't honestly make a solid statement without seeing them.

No offence to any Indians out there but I loathe Harbhajan Singh, Khan and Kumble. Singh mainly because he is a wanker. There is something about the others I just don't like. Kumble also because he sometimes acts like a wanker.

Though, in this sereis they should've but the new Aus spinner in the 3rd test at least. He could've helped a lot at Delhi.

We will need to bowl them out below < 200 to win and that has to be before the end of play today. I hope that Aus can do it but the way India are playing (boringly and slow) it'll be a draw.
 
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