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The Everything NFL Thread v2.0

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That was the best day of football ever. All I wanted was for Miami to win and I'd be a happy boy.

I remember 3-4 weeks ago I kept telling everyone who would listen that I wanted the Bucs and Cowboys to lose out and the Falcons and Eagles to win out and make it in. Nobody listened to me, and most of them actually laughed. WHO'S LAUGHING NOW BITCHES?

MS said:
The Patriots missing out with such a solid record really shows how fucking stupid NFL's playoff system is...

For fucks sake, if the Atlanta Hawks could make the playoffs last year with a LOSING record, how can a team with a .688 winning percentage fucking miss out :(.
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#1. The NBA (and by extension their playoff seeding) is a joke, and therefore no comparison should be made there.

#2. I don't like having each division sending one team to the playoffs either. Without this provision teams like the joke 9-7 Cardinals (6-0 against their pathetic division) and the 8-8 Chargers wouldn't be going to the dance. Well, maybe the Cards would because they'd probably beat the Cowboys and Bucs on NFC-record tiebreakers. Any way you slice it though, the AFC East was this conference's best division, it all came down to the last weekend and that's how it should be.
 
With me being from North Carolina and all, I am only hoping that the Panthers go to win it all.:pimp:
 
DM said:
That was the best day of football ever. All I wanted was for Miami to win and I'd be a happy boy.

I remember 3-4 weeks ago I kept telling everyone who would listen that I wanted the Bucs and Cowboys to lose out and the Falcons and Eagles to win out and make it in. Nobody listened to me, and most of them actually laughed. WHO'S LAUGHING NOW BITCHES?



#1. The NBA (and by extension their playoff seeding) is a joke, and therefore no comparison should be made there.

#2. I don't like having each division sending one team to the playoffs either. Without this provision teams like the joke 9-7 Cardinals (6-0 against their pathetic division) and the 8-8 Chargers wouldn't be going to the dance. Well, maybe the Cards would because they'd probably beat the Cowboys and Bucs on NFC-record tiebreakers. Any way you slice it though, the AFC East was this conference's best division, it all came down to the last weekend and that's how it should be.
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Yeah the NBA playoff seeding is also a joke. I haven't got as angry about it cause my Lakers made it easily, but I still felt bad for Golden State, whose 48 wins weren't good enough when Atlanta's 34 or something was. Yeah the Cardinals division is an absolute joke, seriously aside from that blessing they have been a pretty bad team this season. But yeah even if the Patriots did manage to make it, that would mean the Dolphins or the Ravens would have missed out, which IMO would have been pretty harsh also as both teams have been playing pretty well. But yeah when there are ridiculously good divisions such as the AFC East (who woulda thought?) and the NFC East and then shit like the AFC West or NFC West, I believe that a change needs to be made to the playoff system of the NFL, either by letting two more teams into the playoffs to make it 8 or award playoff spots based on record and not on whether you are "Divisional Champion" (my preferred option).
 
XxSandmanxX said:
Wow, Shinryu you pretty much nailed all your predictions on the head. You should start betting.

Anyways, I'm sore after that Cowboys lost, didn't want to go to work. Hard to see all the Cowboys fans pissed off and down last night. Anyways, I'll be following what Jerry Jones will be doing with the team. Hopefully he'll do what I wrote about in my last post on this thread. A lot of de-constructing and constructing to do. Though I say this, I'm not, I repeat not giving up on Tony Romo.
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1 more year...stupid "no gambling till you're 21" law in the U.S...hell, it's 18 I think in most parts of the world to gamble. W/E...

I am surprised the Cowboys sort of rolled over and died though like that, not even scoring a TD; I would have thought it might have been closer...the Broncos also put up a rather sad game against the Chargers. Guess it goes to show that the Eagles and Chargers REALLY wanted to get into the playoffs.
 
SAN DIEGO SUPER CHARGERS! said:
waah waah waah
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You are an idiot, I'm sorry to say that but you just are. Head-to-head records, especially when the teams have played once, mean shit all.

Ok lets go on your logic and say that the Indiana Pacers (10-19 or thereabouts) should make the playoffs ahead of the Lakers (26-5 or thereabouts) and the Golden State Warriors (around 9 or 10 wins and a similar number of losses) should make the playoffs ahead of the Celtics (29-4 or thereabouts).

Seriously, you guys lost 3 more games then us, and play in a pathetic division, only down there with the NFC West. We play in arguably the hardest division, only possibly behind the NFC East. Fucking hell, even if you did make the finals, you have to be a complete dumbass to think 8-8 is more deserving of the playoffs then 11-5.

Take a dose of your own dumbshit logic

Based on it, the Rams would be in the playoffs.

EDIT: Or this if you want to be pedantic about the preaseason.

Sorry to lose my temper in a Congregation thread but this guy is just a total idiot.
 
Actually, the AFC East was not the best division. Are you all forgetting that they faced 4 AFC East teams and 4 AFC West teams?! The NFC South is the hardest, the NFC East is the second hardest, and the AFC South minus the Jaguars the next hardest. The Dolphins are actually this year's luckiest team. People will write this off as gutty, but each of these close wins was against a miserable team; against the only good one, they lost miserably.

Arizona 31 Miami 10
Miami 17 Chargers 10
Miami 26 Broncos 17
Miami 21 Seattle 19
Miami 17 Raiders 15
Miami 16 St. Louis 12
Miami 14 San Francisco 9
Miami 38 Kansas City 31

So against mediocre to ridiculously bad teams they are 7-0 with no quality wins (the biggest one was 9 points, but commonly less than 5!). Against good teams, that means that they were actually 4-5 with very mixed results (counting Arizona)

New Jersey Jets 20 Miami 14
Arizona 31 Miami 10
Miami 38 New England 13 (as the Patriots were struggling terribly)
Houston 29 Miami 28
Baltimore 27 Miami 13
Miami 25 Buffalo 16
New England 48 Miami 28
Miami 16 Buffalo 3
Miami 24 New Jersey Jets 17 (in a game Favre gift wrapped them)

This is not an exciting team and they will probably lose in the first round. Most importantly, one can see that they could only win in their division and against the two weakest divisions (possibly the weakest two in history in conjunction with each other), although to be fair there are only two and one was close. It still does not bode well for them at all. This is the reason why the Patriots being robbed should not upset anyone, not even Patriots fans - their team is just as terrible with the exact same 7-1 against the Wests and 4-4 elsewhere. Of course, they should still be in, but they are not a playoff worthy team. The teams this year that deserved it were the Titans, Colts, Ravens, and Steelers in the AFC and the Giants, Panthers, Falcons, and I guess someone has to even it out, so Vikings over Eagles because of record. Notice how it is only 8 - this year definitely would be better off with an 8 team field.

DM, I do not know who was laughing at you saying Falcons had a good shot. I was terrified of the Falcons robbing the Cowboys all season. I was not terrified of the Eagles because we beat them in a very exciting game with relative ease before...:(
 
Random thoughts about this week:



I gotta agree with MS; a 11-5 record should AUTOMATICALLY get you a playoff spot! I do not care if you won the division or not; that is too good of a record to not be in the playoffs. I think they should implement a rule that if you finish 11-5, fail to make the playoffs, but an 8-8 team does, the 11-5 time automatically gets in! I am no way a Patriots fan, but all that they accomplished without Tom Brady and instead went with a person that was a 7th round pick that hasn't started a game since high school is just quite amazing. They still went 11-5, but it took a NFL first to keep them out of the playoffs for a 7th straight year, which was an 8-8 team making it, but not them due to tie-breakers. This has to be DEFINITE proof that the AFC is STILL much better than the NFC!!




Eric Mangeni shouldn't have got fired. Sure, they slumped, but that wasn't just because of his poor decisions, but it was also the poor play of Brett Farve during the last 5 games and a last couple week decline of Thomas Jones. You can't put all the blame on the coach, especially since he had two winning seasons during the 3 years stretch he was coach, and the non-winning season was because of Chad Pennington's season-long injury and no running game whatsoever. I think it was too rash to fire him, and he should be hired somewhere else as a coach. I would.




Congrats to the Dolphins! Way to represent your college, Chad Pennington!! Once again, he should be comeback player of the year, and should get some consideration for MVP. In a season where the best QBs struggled down the stretch and/or played for non playoff contenders, the most consistent QB the whole season was Pennington, and he led the Dolphins to the biggest turnaround in NFL history. He also had career numbers this year. Here is how he ranks this year in many of the top categories:

Percentage: 67.4 (1st in league)
Yards: 3653 (9th, probably the first time he's been in the top 10 in yards in a season)
TD: 19 (12th)
Int: 7 (T-4th)
QB Rating: 97.4 (2nd)

With the exception for having two less TD to crack the top 10 in that category, he is in the top 10 in the rest of them, including the leader in accuracy and 2nd in QB rating. And one more stat, which adds to him being clutch this season: In the last 4 games of the season, which the Dolphins needed to win out to make the playoffs, he threw 8 TD, 1 INT, had a 74.1 completion %, and had an average QB rating of 113.3! Quite an impressive season!



I feel bad that the Broncos slumped like they did. They had an unheard of SEVEN Running Backs that went to the IR this season!!! It got so bad that their full back, Peyton Hills, became their RB for a few weeks. Surprisingly, he was VERY successful during a few week stretch, but then he got the injury bug. They had to sign Tatum Bell in like week 14 so they could at least have a RB on the roster! But I will say this; they had a very interesting stat-line as a team:

Attempts: 387 (28th in league)
Yards: 1862 (12th in league)
YPG: 116.4 (12th in league)
Average: 4.8 (T-2nd in league)
TD: 15 (T-14th in league)

Their attempts were very low, due to the lack of a star RB throughout most of the season, but their yard, YPG, and TDs were in the middle of the pack. But the surprising stat is that even though their RB's were swatted like flies every couple weeks, they still had the 2nd highest yards-per-rush in the league, behind the Giants and tied with Carolina and Kansas City (shocker there, isn't it??)


Cowboys, Cowboys, Cowboys.....tsk tsk tsk..... once again, you get tons of hype, yet you fail to deliver. Can we find another team to pass the nickname to "America's Team?" PLEASE?????????
 
Man, .....its still hurts. Yeah, I found out Tony Romo was playing with 2 dislocated ribs so that too could've impacted the game, but really no excuses I'm just putting that out there. You know a lot of players on the Cowboys were playing with injury. The important guys you know, Romo, Marion, and Witten. Jerry Jones now have to let the coaching staff decide what to do now that I think of it. I'm all for being supportive of an organization if I'm the owner, but he downright restricts the others that are part of the system. He now needs to back out for awhile and let the guys diagnois the problem. I just want T.0 or (Team Obliberator) out of Dallas for sure. Come on Houzanmanzadah, get him or bust!

Now, my pick to win it all. I'm going with the Indianapolis Colts. These guys are the sleeper of the NFL, you don't hear much of them except of Manning getting MVP. They dominated the Titans, and will kill the Steelers.
 
I forgot to address that Bran, I think. Mangini being fired was a fucking joke. The whole coach firing rationale is ridiculous, and it is mostly due to the fact that it is the easiest way in any sport to pretend that a team is engendering change (and it gets even worse when it extends to coordinators :(). Of course anything can happen, but now it is more likely the Jets will be a much worse team next year, barring bringing in some magnificent coach - but even then adjusting to the system necessitates a bad year probably.

Tony Romo's ribs are no excuse - the Cowboys committed something like 5 turnovers and played horrendous defense. :(
 
What happened with the Pats and the Chargers is so rare and anomalous that it would be foolish for the NFL to overreact to it. The system works mostly every other year. New Englanders need to stop whining, and perhaps turn their rage towards Asante Samuel, who's INT drop cost them a World Championship and perfect season. Or maybe towards their front office who decided the average age of their linebackers is fine at 65. Or maybe they should just go back to ignoring the Pats like they did before 2001. Or maybe the Pats should have beaten the Chargers instead of getting the piss knocked out of them when they played in the regular season. Novel concept.

In other news, Mike Shanahan's been fired. Coach body count at 5 now.
 
For all those complaining about the Chargers getting in at 8-8, let's remember that the Cardinals could have conceivably finished at what, 7-9 probably and have gotten in; every other team sucked that badly in the NFC West. At least the Chargers made it to the playoffs last year, whereas the Cardinals just have a record of being complete losers (and likely a quick exit against the Falcons this weekend).

The Jets firing their head coach was a bit odd I thought, considering they went from what, a 4-12 season or whatever last year to 9-7 or whatever this year, which is an improvement. And if Farve also decides to go, they'll be looking for a new QB as well. The firing of the Broncos head coach was also a bit surprising as well for that matter...

And finally, Bill Parcels might leave Miami, leaving him open for signing with any number of teams that seem to have recent vacancies; will he go to Detriot and revive them as well like he did with the Dolphins? lol
 
Bill Parcells's revival was winning 7 games by an average of 5 points against horrendous teams. They were not revived - they were 4-4 against non-West teams!!

UltimoVenusaur, are you totally obsessed with tradition or what? The best x amount of teams should play in every playoff in every sport! Period! Who cares about some 'system'? The system SEEDS the teams wrongly every year at the fucking least.
 
I don't understand all this whining, we all know the Panthers will win the superbowl.
 
How is it whining to voice a legitimate complaint? Sorry that you want to pejoratively strip our logic of its power by making it a negative word, but that is not a convincing argument at all. A system in which best teams get advantages over better teams by the standard that is used, that is wins (because you could make it a lot more complicated, see the BCS), is utterly failing us in most sports year in and year out. Recall an NBA team missing the playoffs at 48 wins (a .585 record!!) missing out while I believe it was a 39 win team made it in (.475)?! That is broken, and the NFL is too!
 
Wow. I feel rather stupid for never checking this thread out before...

Anyways, I'm popping in here to say a few things.

1. I'm still upset about my 2nd place finish in Fantasy Football... My opponent in the championship had Drew Brees, Michael Turner, and Andre Johnson; each are the #1 fantasy option at their respective positions. I didn't have much of a chance. Oh well.

2. Indianapolis should be at home against the Chargers as opposed to heading west, becuase of their far superior record. Clearly Indianapolis is the better team, but they very well may lose. I'm sure we have all heard of the many problems teams have going west for away games. If the Colts do lose by chance, it goes to prove how broken I think the playoff system is.

3. There is no way Mike Shanahan deserved to be fired.
 
Ahh, I need to reword that. I believe you interpreted it wrong.

I'm saying the Colts should have the home game rather than the Chargers becuase they had the better season, as the records indicate.

Sorry about that. *goes to edit post*
 
I got that part just fine, but the problems with going West is basically superfluous? Although, now that I actually went and checked the matter, Cardinals are 6-2 at home and 2-6 elsewhere and Chargers are 5-3 at home and 3-5 elsewhere, so this is more outrageously rewarding than I thought!
 
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