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CAP 8 CAP 8 - Part 5a - Ability Discussion
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I say Synchronize would be an amazing ability for our CAP. When coupled with refresh or some other healing move, it can pass status easily helping it, and making it also quite fun to use it. It is a very undervalued ability.
Also Thick Fat would be as good(depending on what the cap looks like). I don't like an Ice weakness on a defensive pokemon plus a resistance to fire helps alot.
Also Thick Fat would be as good(depending on what the cap looks like). I don't like an Ice weakness on a defensive pokemon plus a resistance to fire helps alot.
Stop. It doesn't matter what the CAP looks like. Hell I could say it's a stick figure that's an extremely dense Ghost-type which weighs 5 lbs, and STILL give it Thick Fat.
As for the Ice weakness, I don't think it's worth it. Dragon-type attacks are a bigger threat than Ice-type attacks, but nobody's trying to cover that up. Ditto with Ground. How does it help this Pokemon by getting rid of one type of attack? It doesn't even turn it into a resist, only neutral. Also may I remind you that it already has a 2x resistance to Fire, and a 4x one won't make much of a difference due to it's presumed defensive prowess.
Sorry, this isn't the thread for that, the phase in which we decided what was allowed has past =/
Personally Im against Thick Fat. For one, I dont think the Ice weakness is that big a deal. In CAPS metagame there are really only 2 STAB users of Ice, Syclant and Mamoswine. Both of these pokemon have access to Ground moves, one has STAB Earthquake, Thick fat isnt going to make much difference to them. For nonSTAB, the majority of Icebeam users are water, which will threatened by electric atacks for the most part. While on the physical side of things, pretty much every Icefang/Punch user has access to EQ.
Conceptually I also have issues. Thick Fat is already on Snorlax, which is still considered an OU pokemon. While it isnt its only ability, it certainly seems like one of the least neglected abilites out of the whole list presented.
I also think the ability that is chosen should be adding more to the metagame than just a new typing. Thick Fat just feels subservant to the Typing, trying to cover a weakness that doesnt even necessarily need patching. I would rather an ability that takes center stage and expands an already strong typings strengths.
It also doesnt feel like breaking much new ground considering there is already a dragon with no Ice Weakness and x4 resistance to Fire already in the OU metagame.
Conceptually I also have issues. Thick Fat is already on Snorlax, which is still considered an OU pokemon. While it isnt its only ability, it certainly seems like one of the least neglected abilites out of the whole list presented.
I also think the ability that is chosen should be adding more to the metagame than just a new typing. Thick Fat just feels subservant to the Typing, trying to cover a weakness that doesnt even necessarily need patching. I would rather an ability that takes center stage and expands an already strong typings strengths.
It also doesnt feel like breaking much new ground considering there is already a dragon with no Ice Weakness and x4 resistance to Fire already in the OU metagame.
I'm against Color Change for a few of reasons.
1) How would the CAP get use of STAB moves. It can have Draco Meteor and Thunderbolt, why you want an ability that removes the STAB?
2) It's a waste of good typing. Elecltric/Dragon is an amazing typing, and removing that for a single type is horrible.
3) We don't need an anti-choice pokemon. It's easy enough to switch into a choiced user. Predict what it will use and switch in a resistor, choice users aren't a problem.
4) If it has nice resistances, Color Change would remove them due to changing it's type depending on the move. If it gets hit by Fire-type attacks, bye bye nice resistances, hello bad resistances. It's useless.
Just my opinion. If I'm terribly mistaken or missing something useful for Color Change that I don't know about, please let me know because I think it's a horrible ability on this.
Everyone should pick Rough Skin. It would make a lot of Poke
ok think twice before attacking. The Outrage everyone fears so much will not be used as much because of the risk of KOing itself. How many times has your Salamence fainted due to LO recoil? Well that's gonna happen a lot more if we all choose Rough Skin.
ok think twice before attacking. The Outrage everyone fears so much will not be used as much because of the risk of KOing itself. How many times has your Salamence fainted due to LO recoil? Well that's gonna happen a lot more if we all choose Rough Skin.
Yes. You're right. I would clearly avoid using Outrage against Electric/DRAGON Pokemon because I would take twelve percent more damage in doing so.
Seriously?
Even in non Outrage scenarios, I'd still prefer to take the recoil to kill CAP 8 off easily. Rough Skin is not a deterrent... it's a bonus. There are other things and generally nicer bonuses I can think of. And then the general lack of physical resistances Electric/Dragon has to take into account. I just prefer some bigger payoffs.
Sticky Hold... doesn't really fit the flavor of this Pokémon. (Seriously, where was the Sticky Hold bandwagon during Arghonaut's secondary ability poll?)
Rough Skin sounds nice, but it'd have to be bulkier than slightly defensive will allow IMO.
But, since my favorites Simple and Magic Guard were deemed broken on anything that isn't utter crap without them... I'll go with Shield Dust and Compoundeyes. True, they don't mix with the flavor, but we COULD always bend the rules a bit and rename them... I've even come up with a "bandwagon slogan" for these two abilities: "I hate hax, how 'bout you? Shield Dust/Compoundeyes for CaP8!"
When did flavor become valid reasoning?
Thick Fat is nice for ice "neutrality," but in all seriousness it's really not as great as made out to be. I suppose it really depends on the stat spread, but chances are it can take a stray Ice attack regardless (not being 4x weak is a huge deal).
Solar Power or Compoundeyes for the offense.
Marvel Scale or Effect Spore for the defense.
Marvel Scale or Effect Spore for the defense.
My personal favorite choices are Thick Fat (reducing the Ice weakness and giving a bigger Fire resistance, making it a touch more defensive than it already would be) and Cloud Nine (avoiding hail/standstorm damage, negating enemy weather boosts, and continuing to have regular Thunder accuracy during the occassional sunny weather!)
Is there anything saying we have to choose only one ability? I am thinking it could be interesting to have one slightly-defensive option and one slightly-offensive option (though still going with the defensive stats spread, of course). Perhaps Thick Fat / Gluttony ?
Gluttony is interesting because it could result in an interesting Belly Drum Pokemon, which would be fitting if it could also get Thick Fat...
Is there anything saying we have to choose only one ability? I am thinking it could be interesting to have one slightly-defensive option and one slightly-offensive option (though still going with the defensive stats spread, of course). Perhaps Thick Fat / Gluttony ?
Gluttony is interesting because it could result in an interesting Belly Drum Pokemon, which would be fitting if it could also get Thick Fat...
It seems to me that Compoundeyes would work better for a special build. Thunder and Draco Meteor both benefit from it, as do attacks like Fire Blast, Hydro Pump, and Blizzard. Meanwhile, Volt Tackle, Outrage, EQ, Superpower, and other such physical attacks generally already have perfect accuracy. The only one it would really help is Stone Edge, which seems kind of redundant on this guy.
On the other hand, though, I suppose the ridiculous power that Compoundeyes could grant it might be more suited to lesser sp. atk, but w/e.
But more importantly, doesn't Syclant already use Compoundeyes?
On the other hand, though, I suppose the ridiculous power that Compoundeyes could grant it might be more suited to lesser sp. atk, but w/e.
But more importantly, doesn't Syclant already use Compoundeyes?
Just thought I would mention that Earthquake is a NON-contact move (despite being Physical) so it won't trigger Aftermath. It does help against Outrage, though.
Aftermath seems pretty pointless, the whole point of a wall is to, you know, WALL stuff, not try to get itself killed. Also, Effect Spore isn't very reliable (only a 30% chance of inflicting status).
I am personally in the realm of Magic Guard. It would give this Pokemon great entry hazard, Poison, Burn, weather, and Leech Seed immunities, increasing its bulkiness even further.
Aftermath would be a fun ability to punish the pokes that want to kill this guy. The fact is it will probably eventually die(weak to EQ, Ice and Dragon will eventually wear him down) and with a high enough HP stat it would be nice to take the last attacker down by 100 or so HP. It might even kill them :D.
I can also support Compound Eyes, it would make for some interesting support options and would really complement a physical or special build(though on the physical end all it does is help Dragon Rush, but that would still be somewhat helpful when coupled with support options, particularly since you don't have to lock yourself into anything).
Shield Dust would be a nice one as well, but I would rather use an option that is a bit more fun to play with. Though having a choice between Shield Dust and Aftermath/Compound Eyes would be very interesting, and could even let us see just how handy Shield Dust is.
Marvel Scale and Thick Fat could both be interesting options. Marvel Scale in particular since if we gave it good defenses to start with it could probably stall for quite a while with Marvel Scale active(since it resists so many special attacks).
Long post short my support is for Aftermath and Compound Eyes, though I could live with Shield Dust and Marvel Scale. Thick Fat I just don't see being overly useful here. Not bad mind you, but I would like to see something a bit more than just Thick Fat.
I can also support Compound Eyes, it would make for some interesting support options and would really complement a physical or special build(though on the physical end all it does is help Dragon Rush, but that would still be somewhat helpful when coupled with support options, particularly since you don't have to lock yourself into anything).
Shield Dust would be a nice one as well, but I would rather use an option that is a bit more fun to play with. Though having a choice between Shield Dust and Aftermath/Compound Eyes would be very interesting, and could even let us see just how handy Shield Dust is.
Marvel Scale and Thick Fat could both be interesting options. Marvel Scale in particular since if we gave it good defenses to start with it could probably stall for quite a while with Marvel Scale active(since it resists so many special attacks).
Long post short my support is for Aftermath and Compound Eyes, though I could live with Shield Dust and Marvel Scale. Thick Fat I just don't see being overly useful here. Not bad mind you, but I would like to see something a bit more than just Thick Fat.
It was already mentioned that it doesn't add 30% to the accuracy. 70% moves will only have 91% (which is still good). You bringing up those moves has swung me to support Compoundeyes, though I like the physical side better and it's not completely useless (Crabhammer, Megahorn, Power Whip, Dragon Rush!!).
(god help us if people start bitching that we need bug eyes on the art).
Magic Guard is unallowed and for a good reason. Read this post by Deck Knight for elaboration.
Right now, 3 abilities appeal to me the most: Effect Spore, Shield Dust, and Damp. Effect Spore passes along status in a very similar manner to that of Static, but Effect Spore can also cause sleep, and CAP8 will most likely get Thunder Wave anyways. Shield Dust helps against hax-reliant Pokemon, like Jirachi and Togekiss. Damp can help to block Exploders that might take out one of your sweepers.
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